Class of 2013 Employment Data Forum

[lecsa]

a 5% hit isn't that bad since Berkeley is relatively small. That's a difference of like 12 people getting firm jobs or not

True, but Berkeley actually went down in class size from graduating class of 2012 to 2013 (292 to 286 students) and took a hit in biglaw + fedclerk numbers (60.3% to 55.8%). As arklaw13 pointed out, this is UMich/GULC-level outcomes (which are still awesome compared to the rest of the market, but when you compare them to the rest of the T14 it makes these schools really stand out).

Smaller schools like Berkeley should do better but honestly, GULC did almost 10 percent worse than Berkeley, the next worst school. Not fair lumping GULC with the rest of the T14 when its more like the non T14s ranked below it

[notactuallyposting]

So I mean, I've made my decision already, but really... Where are berkeley's employment numbers? Is there a due date?

55.8% for fed clerk + 101+.

Thanks! If you don't mind, where did you get those numbers? I can't seem to find them anywhere.

[worldtraveler]

So I mean, I've made my decision already, but really... Where are berkeley's employment numbers? Is there a due date?

55.8% for fed clerk + 101+.

What's the split? Was this Berk class uninterested in firm work?

I don't remember the exact numbers, but fewer people in the 2013 class participated in OCI than in the 2012 class.

[BigZuck]

So it really is the T13 then???

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Sucks to suck, Cal

Seriously though, eagerly anticipating this thread going full retard one last time for old time's sake.

[manu6926]

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[Typhoon24]

someone pls verify berk's numbers. i can't find anything about it online.

[banjo]

The person who posted Berkeley runs LST. He's seriously a more reliable source than the school itself.

[20141023]

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[rpupkin]

someone pls verify berk's numbers. i can't find anything about it online.

FYI, the poster who shared the numbers on here is part of Law School Transparency, which collects the school-reported ABA data. If you won't accept his word, there's not much we can do for you until Berkeley actually posts the data on their web site. Speaking of which, maybe Berkeley should hire one of its unemployed class of 2013 students as a web publisher--the law school evidently needs the labor.

[Typhoon24]

someone pls verify berk's numbers. i can't find anything about it online.

FYI, the poster who shared the numbers on here is part of Law School Transparency, which collects the school-reported ABA data. If you won't accept his word, there's not much we can do for you until Berkeley actually posts the data on their web site. Speaking of which, maybe Berkeley should hire one of its unemployed class of 2013 students as a web publisher--the law school evidently needs the labor.

oh, didn't know that. all right. also, as regulus said, a breakdown would be nice .

[aboutmydaylight]

Those Berkeley numbers make my balls hurt.

[whereskyle]

Those Berkeley numbers make my balls hurt.

As someone who has idolized Berk my whole (aware of higher ed) life, and who didn't get in last cycle, it makes me feel kinda great. Still, I assume that the class was less interested in firm work than last year's. Although, the fact that they chose to wait to disclose gives the impression that they feel hurt about it.

[jenesaislaw]

301 grads, 13 101-250, 23 251-500, 108 501+, 24 fed clerks, 25 school-funded LT FT BPR, 29 school-funded total

[papercut]

301 grads, 13 101-250, 23 251-500, 108 501+, 24 fed clerks, 25 school-funded LT FT BPR, 29 school-funded total

Thanks for the info. It's really appreciated. What's their underemployment score/stats?

[20141023]

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[papercut]

301 grads, 13 101-250, 23 251-500, 108 501+, 24 fed clerks, 25 school-funded LT FT BPR, 29 school-funded total

Excellent... We can finally make a decent comparison of the T14 for the most recent cycle. (Btw, any idea on what is taking Berkeley so long to publically release this data? And are there no sanctions for completely blowing off the deadline like this?)



Overall, things seem to be looking pretty optimistic.

+1

[worldtraveler]

The school funded positions at Berkeley is a new thing for PI dedicated people. I think they had funding this year for up to 25 people to work with a 501c3 or a government office for a year. To get it you had to show that the position would be likely to lead to a full time position after the year of funding (show that the place had hired past fellows, regularly hires people with 1 year of experience).

As far as I know, everyone on it was hardcore dedicated to PI to begin with; I'm not aware of anyone on it who participated in OCI (then again, I don't know everyone in the class, so it's possible it's covering people who just struggled to get any kind of job).

[d cooper]

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[rpupkin]

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[Mack.Hambleton]

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ultimate T14 subgroupings

[rickgrimes69]

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This is TCR except Y > S

[Mack.Hambleton]

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This is TCR except Y > S

Whoops good point

[SLS_AMG]

Berkeley student here. I have to say, if those numbers are correct, they're surprising and a bit disappointing. I think it's a bit premature to say that Berkeley is all of a sudden lagging behind, however.

A few thoughts:

-This year's graduating class (2014) has secured 42 federal clerkships. That's a 75% increase over these numbers.
-The non-NLJ big law numbers are a surprising departure from last year: I believe last year's numbers had about 10% of the class in these jobs, and this year's apparently only have about 3%?
-The school-funded rate is something I had no idea about. It looks a lot like the UVA jobs, but I do think it's important to keep in mind that Berkeley attracts a lot of the PI-oriented type and has always had strong PI numbers (whereas UVA has gone from like 5% PI to 20% PI as a result of their school-funded jobs).

[Mack.Hambleton]

Berkeley student here. I have to say, if those numbers are correct, they're surprising and a bit disappointing. I think it's a bit premature to say that Berkeley is all of a sudden lagging behind, however.

A few thoughts:

-This year's graduating class (2014) has secured 42 federal clerkships. That's a 75% increase over these numbers.
-The non-NLJ big law numbers are a surprising departure from last year: I believe last year's numbers had about 10% of the class in these jobs, and this year's apparently only have about 3%?
-The school-funded rate is something I had no idea about. It looks a lot like the UVA jobs, but I do think it's important to keep in mind that Berkeley attracts a lot of the PI-oriented type and has always had strong PI numbers (whereas UVA has gone from like 5% PI to 20% PI as a result of their school-funded jobs).

42 clerkships? Wow

[Dr.Zer0]

Regulus, I think you should have your own thread and post your beautiful graphs there.