Class of 2013 Employment Data Forum

[BruinRegents]

Those aren't flip-flops but sandals. I love that picture and so do all of my buddies that went to Cal for UG. It's kind of cool that they showed a bit of personality.

Speaking of Berkeley, what foot fetishist decided this was a good background image?

Whoah... Is that person wearing flip-flops with socks? (I totally do that sometimes, but that doesn't excuse how stupid it looks... To use a picture of someone's feet is bad enough, but to use that picture really does make you question their judgment lol)

[papercut]

Those aren't flip-flops but sandals. I love that picture and so do all of my buddies that went to Cal for UG. It's kind of cool that they showed a bit of personality.

Speaking of Berkeley, what foot fetishist decided this was a good background image?

Whoah... Is that person wearing flip-flops with socks? (I totally do that sometimes, but that doesn't excuse how stupid it looks... To use a picture of someone's feet is bad enough, but to use that picture really does make you question their judgment lol)

I thought you were trolling for a second... Different strokes for different folks I guess.

[BruinRegents]

Nope. The legal world is, by it's very nature, conservative. So for an institution, that is part of the overall body of the legal world, to display some levity is quite novel. And I appreciate things like that.

Those aren't flip-flops but sandals. I love that picture and so do all of my buddies that went to Cal for UG. It's kind of cool that they showed a bit of personality.

Speaking of Berkeley, what foot fetishist decided this was a good background image?

Whoah... Is that person wearing flip-flops with socks? (I totally do that sometimes, but that doesn't excuse how stupid it looks... To use a picture of someone's feet is bad enough, but to use that picture really does make you question their judgment lol)

I thought you were trolling for a second... Different strokes for different folks I guess.

[papercut]

[quote="BruinRegents"]Nope. The legal world is, by it's very nature, conservative. So for an institution, that is part of the overall body of the legal world, to display some levity is quite novel. And I appreciate things like that. [quote]

Yeah it's so hard to find a liberal law school.

[20141023]

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[cotiger]

Nope. The legal world is, by it's very nature, conservative. So for an institution, that is part of the overall body of the legal world, to display some levity is quite novel. And I appreciate things like that.

Yeah it's so hard to find a liberal law school.

He means conservative in outlook, not in the political sense.

There are plenty of uptight liberals in the world.

[LRGhost]

Yeah it's so hard to find a liberal law school.

Pretty clear what he meant but I mean, high horses sure are fun to ride around on.

[Rahviveh]

Nope. The legal world is, by it's very nature, conservative. So for an institution, that is part of the overall body of the legal world, to display some levity is quite novel. And I appreciate things like that.

I'm sure Berkeley wishes there were more shallow 0L's like you who are easily duped by website pictures.

[09042014]

Speaking of Berkeley, what foot fetishist decided this was a good background image?

BOALT, yea we're those guys

[worldtraveler]

All those pictures have been on the website at least 6 years. Sandal and socks guy is long gone by now.

[Jchance]

Aren't there barely any firms in Minnesota that are more than 100 lawyers to begin with?

More than you might think.

http://www.lawmoose.com/index.cfm?Actio ... MNLawFirms

The problem is not with how many 100+ firms in MSP, but with how conservative those firms are with their summer class of around 5 or less (except Dorsey). MN firms often have high retention rate and little lateral movements.

[Kanye West]

Emory just came up:

Biglaw (20.89%) + Fed. Clerk (5.05%) = 25.94%


Thanks Jchance <3

[Jchance]

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[BruinRegents]

Gawd dammit BruinRegents, put your comments after the quote lol. It took me a second to figure out wtf was going on above because I thought you'd just quoted us without writing anything.

For you Regulus, I shall, since I've always appreciated your posts on TLS.

He means conservative in outlook, not in the political sense.

There are plenty of uptight liberals in the world.

Precisely.

Pretty clear what he meant but I mean, high horses sure are fun to ride around on.

I'm not sure you do. Urban Dictionary defines Riding On a High Horse as, "Arrogantly believing oneself superior to others, often by putting down large groups of people. In usage, such a person is described as 'on a high horse' or may be told to 'Get off your high horse.'"

Nowhere did I put down Berkeley Law or the legal body. I merely generalized that the legal body is inherently conservative because it has to be. It is a function of it's task, namely writing laws that govern our day-to-day existence. Thus, it may be important to adjudicate conservatively because of the untended consequences that could result. Look at the current arguments occurring in the Supreme Court vis-a-vis contraception. Justice Kagan just used Justice Scalia's own words from a previous case. So saying something is conservative, isn't a pejorative.

I'm sure Berkeley wishes there were more shallow 0L's like you who are easily duped by website pictures.

Jump to conclusions much? Additionally, I'm not sure what your reference to "duped" means in this regard. Was I "duped" to believe that Berkeley Law was less conservative? Certainly not. I never said anything to that fact. I merely stated that something they did was novel and I appreciate novel things. It's like saying, I typically enjoy Rocky Road, but because I've ordered it 10 times in a row, today I'll go with Mint and Chip. So unless you clarify your position, I and no else here has any idea what it is.

[papercut]

Speaking of Berkeley, what foot fetishist decided this was a good background image?

BOALT, yea we're those guys

I thought something like:

Come to us aspies, it's safe here.

[xJD2017x]

Berkeley took a hit like all other cali schools. Except for Stanford

[papercut]

Berkeley took a hit like all other cali schools. Except for Stanford

Yeah, they probably did take a hit or stayed the same. Hiding their stats is pretty poor form either way.

[altoid99]

I don't believe I saw American's employment stats posted in this threat yet. Here they are, enjoy:

http://www.wcl.american.edu/career/docu ... istics.pdf

[rickgrimes69]

I don't believe I saw American's employment stats posted in this threat yet. Here they are, enjoy:

http://www.wcl.american.edu/career/docu ... istics.pdf

231 grads placed into LT FT jobs, minus 37 school funded jobs, out of 507 total graduates = 38% employment

well done, you magnificent fesTTTering bastard

[altoid99]

I don't believe I saw American's employment stats posted in this threat yet. Here they are, enjoy:

http://www.wcl.american.edu/career/docu ... istics.pdf

231 grads placed into LT FT jobs, minus 37 school funded jobs, out of 507 total graduates = 38% employment

well done, you magnificent fesTTTering bastard

When TLS users become lawyers and law school administrators and get to submit those reputation surveys for US News, American will inevitably ride off into the sunset toward that land known as "RNP". Hopefully sooner than that though.

[Otunga]

I don't believe I saw American's employment stats posted in this threat yet. Here they are, enjoy:

http://www.wcl.american.edu/career/docu ... istics.pdf

231 grads placed into LT FT jobs, minus 37 school funded jobs, out of 507 total graduates = 38% employment

well done, you magnificent fesTTTering bastard

When TLS users become lawyers and law school administrators and get to submit those reputation surveys for US News, American will inevitably ride off into the sunset toward that land known as "RNP". Hopefully sooner than that though.

Will TLS users become law school administrators at lower-ranked schools simply to sabotage the schools?

[bdubs]

Northwestern numbers should be updated to remove graduates from the JD-MBA program.

284 graduates
-28 JD-MBA
256 JD grads

158 employed in firms w/100+
- 4 JD-MBA
154 JDs employed in firms w/100+
154/256 = 60.1% of JDs employed in firms w/100+

25 federal clerks
- 0 JD-MBA
25 federal clerks
25/256 = 9.8% of JDs with clerkships

60.1 + 9.8 = 69.9% employment rate for JDs

JD-MBA numbers for adjustments come from here:
http://www.law.northwestern.edu/career/ ... jdmba.html

[Tiago Splitter]

Northwestern numbers should be updated to remove graduates from the JD-MBA program.

Northwestern isn't the only school with JD-MBAs. They do deserve credit for breaking out the JD-MBA placement numbers, available here.

[bdubs]

Northwestern numbers should be updated to remove graduates from the JD-MBA program.

Northwestern isn't the only school with JD-MBAs. They do deserve credit for breaking out the JD-MBA placement numbers, available here.

True, but the percentage of grads in business and industry positions is a big outlier at Northwestern relative to all other schools. The JD-MBA program here is a much larger percentage of the class than at any other T14.

Percentage of graduates with positions in business/industry

Northwestern (no adjustment) 14.4%
Penn 7.3%
Northwestern (adjusted) 7.0%
Stanford 6.7%
Michigan 6.2%
Harvard 5.1%
Georgetown 4.8%
Chicago 4.3%
Duke 4.0%
Cornell 3.4%
Yale 3.3%
Columbia 2.4%
NYU 1.9%
UVA 1.9%

[jbagelboy]

Northwestern numbers should be updated to remove graduates from the JD-MBA program.

Northwestern isn't the only school with JD-MBAs. They do deserve credit for breaking out the JD-MBA placement numbers, available here.

True, but the percentage of grads in business and industry positions is a big outlier at Northwestern relative to all other schools. The JD-MBA program here is a much larger percentage of the class than at any other T14.

Percentage of graduates with full time positions in business/industry

Northwestern (no adjustment) 14.4%
Penn 7.6%
Northwestern (adjusted) 7.0%
Stanford 6.7%
Michigan 6.2%
Harvard 5.1%
Georgetown 4.8%
Chicago 4.3%
Duke 4.0%
Cornell 3.4%
Yale 3.3%
Columbia 2.4%
NYU 1.9%
UVA 1.9%

To remain consistent with the other posted Large Firm + Fed Clerk numbers, this approach must rest upon the assumption that all 24 JD-MBA's not working at 101+ firms didn't want to. Maybe that's fair, maybe it isn't. Anyway, people have debated this at length already so no need to reignite it here. Thanks for the data.