USNWR Rankings Released...Seriously Forum

[09042014]

There is as much of a gap in points between #1 Yale and #11 Northwestern as there is between #13 Cornell and #60 Arizona State.

Job rankings too

100% big law - 50% big law - 0%

[Helmholtz]

There is as much of a gap in points between #1 Yale and #11 Northwestern as there is between #13 Cornell and #60 Arizona State.

Job rankings too

100% big law - 50% big law - 0%

Take that back. Arizona St. typically places at least 3% in the NLJ 250.

[Panther7]

UW -4

the real UW, +7

[TTT-LS]

For some reason it occurred to me it'd be a bad idea to open my burgeoning intellectual property studies by violating intellectual property.

Fair use doctrine?

Almost certainly inapplicable. See 17 U.S.C. 107; Harper & Row Publishers v. Nation Enters., 471 U.S. 539 (1985) (holding that advance publication of a copyrighted manuscript was not fair use).

[sporkdevil]

IU-B is a public TTT. We all knew they were going to drop. The only reason they had that was the donation by Maurer. Tulane has been falling and you can thank hurricane katrina for that, even though it did not affect Tulane. Chicago KenTTTTTTT, they were and are even more of a TTT now. Temple, they still own philly so who cares.

Not to question your general intelligence, but I am more concerned with your ability to read and compare graphs so simple a Cooley admit can understand it. IU-B received the exact same overall grade as they did last year, but had a few schools leap frog them. That's not really dropping. Even if you consider dropping 4 this year, they are still up 9 spots the last two years.

Damn shame the LSAT doesn't test basic reading. Also a shame they can't test for pricks.

[quickquestionthanks]

There is as much of a gap in points between #1 Yale and #11 Northwestern as there is between #13 Cornell and #60 Arizona State.

Job rankings too

100% big law - 50% big law - 0%

Take that back. Arizona St. typically places at least 3% in the NLJ 250.

Stings...so....bad

For some reason it occurred to me it'd be a bad idea to open my burgeoning intellectual property studies by violating intellectual property.

Fair use doctrine?

Almost certainly inapplicable. See 17 U.S.C. 107; Harper & Row Publishers v. Nation Enters., 471 U.S. 539 (1985).

That doesn't deal with the Internet. You could argue that the USNWR actually benefits financially from the attention that the readers of this message board give to their rankings. And that people who are so actively engaged in the process are unlikely to purchase the material and instead find it online post-publication.

[charlesjd]

IU-B is a public TTT. We all knew they were going to drop. The only reason they had that was the donation by Maurer. Tulane has been falling and you can thank hurricane katrina for that, even though it did not affect Tulane. Chicago KenTTTTTTT, they were and are even more of a TTT now. Temple, they still own philly so who cares.

Not to question your general intelligence, but I am more concerned with your ability to read and compare graphs so simple a Cooley admit can understand it. IU-B received the exact same overall grade as they did last year, but had a few schools leap frog them. That's not really dropping. Even if you consider dropping 4 this year, they are still up 9 spots the last two years.

Damn shame the LSAT doesn't test basic reading. Also a shame they can't test for pricks.

Didn't mean to be a prick. I was just reiterating what everyone on here predicted because it occurred. Also you are a prick too. Blatant Cooley trolling. They are a top 12 and we all know it.

[Unemployed]

JL is the new Opera Soprano. Fordham is officially a TTT.

JL does indeed deserve props for her efforts, as does mavsman, for starting this thread. I was at my nonprofit all afternoon doing research, so I missed the fun. As to the rest of your statement, I think sums it up nicely.

And by goingtolawschool's logic, I assume Columbia's the new Fordham.

[phoenix323]

Anyone have a link to the Specialty rankings? The one on the first page is dead.

Thanks!

[honestabe84]

I don't understand the "peer assessment score." Does USNWR just ask other schools for their opinion on other schools? I find it very unlikely that those that are given the survey at a top school have any idea what the quality of lower ranked schools.

[creamedcats]

Exciting times for Hawai'i.

[honestabe84]

Exciting times for Hawai'i.

I don't know if I would want to go to law school there or live there.

[Helmholtz]

Exciting times for Hawai'i.

In the fall of 2008, law school deans, deans of academic affairs, chairs of faculty appointments, and the most recently tenured faculty members were asked to rate programs on a scale from marginal (1) to outstanding (5). Those individuals who did not know enough about a school to evaluate it fairly were asked to mark "don't know." A school's score is the average of all the respondents who rated it. Responses of "don't know" counted neither for nor against a school. About 71 percent of those surveyed responded.

[zimbadimp]

Sucks about Cardozo

[thickfreakness]

There is as much of a gap in points between #1 Yale and #11 Northwestern as there is between #13 Cornell and #60 Arizona State.

Job rankings too

100% big law - 50% big law - 0%

Take that back. Arizona St. typically places at least 3% in the NLJ 250.

Stings...so....bad

For some reason it occurred to me it'd be a bad idea to open my burgeoning intellectual property studies by violating intellectual property.

Fair use doctrine?

Almost certainly inapplicable. See 17 U.S.C. 107; Harper & Row Publishers v. Nation Enters., 471 U.S. 539 (1985).

That doesn't deal with the Internet. You could argue that the USNWR actually benefits financially from the attention that the readers of this message board give to their rankings. And that people who are so actively engaged in the process are unlikely to purchase the material and instead find it online post-publication.

He has case law. You don't. He wins. Welcome to lawl skool.

[goingtolawschool]

I don't understand the "peer assessment score." Does USNWR just ask other schools for their opinion on other schools? I find it very unlikely that those that are given the survey at a top school have any idea what the quality of lower ranked schools.

In their ranking methodology, they claim that they ask people who are not familiar with a certain school to not rank it.

What I am more concerned about is the objectivity of deans and professors. There is a huge conflict of interest that may affect one's assessment of a school that directly competes with theirs. For some reason, I suspect that the USC interviewees give a score not higher than 1.6 to UCLA and vice versa.

I'd be curious to know how US NEWS deals with that

[honestabe84]

Exciting times for Hawai'i.

In the fall of 2008, law school deans, deans of academic affairs, chairs of faculty appointments, and the most recently tenured faculty members were asked to rate programs on a scale from marginal (1) to outstanding (5). Those individuals who did not know enough about a school to evaluate it fairly were asked to mark "don't know." A school's score is the average of all the respondents who rated it. Responses of "don't know" counted neither for nor against a school. About 71 percent of those surveyed responded.

I bet that many rate schools based at least partially on how the school is ranked.

[honestabe84]

I don't understand the "peer assessment score." Does USNWR just ask other schools for their opinion on other schools? I find it very unlikely that those that are given the survey at a top school have any idea what the quality of lower ranked schools.

In their ranking methodology, they claim that they ask people who are not familiar with a certain school to not rank it.

What I am more concerned about is the objectivity of deans and professors. There is a huge conflict of interest that may affect one's assessment of a school that directly competes with theirs. For some reason, I suspect that the USC interviewees give a score not higher than 1.6 to UCLA and vice versa.

I'd be curious to know how US NEWS deals with that

Good point. Same goes with Illinois and Wash U-St. Louis.

[honestabe84]

Why exactly do schools even care about rankings? If they go up or down, they don't stand to make much more money, so what's the point? Is it just for prestige or what?

[Slimpee]

Why exactly do schools even care about rankings? If they go up or down, they don't stand to make much more money, so what's the point? Is it just for prestige or what?

They care because we care.

[dreamweaver87]

fordham...booo. i just got them to up my scholarship money, too. as much as i hate caring about rankings, it sucks turning down ucla for a school ranked almost 20 spots below it. money sucks.

[Doritos]

Why exactly do schools even care about rankings? If they go up or down, they don't stand to make much more money, so what's the point? Is it just for prestige or what?

Have you been reading the thread? A lot of people obsess over the rankings and choose to pay lots of money to go to these schools based largely on their ranking. Also, Alex Johnson over at UVa said (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7_xHsce57c) that deans have been fired over the rankings. Higher rank = higher prestige = higher number of $$$ people are willing to pay. It doesn't mean it's a better school but more people are willing to pay more money to attend if you are higher ranked

[arhmcpo]

Why exactly do schools even care about rankings? If they go up or down, they don't stand to make much more money, so what's the point? Is it just for prestige or what?

Have you been reading the thread? A lot of people obsess over the rankings and choose to pay lots of money to go to these schools based largely on their ranking. Also, Alex Johnson over at UVa said (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7_xHsce57c) that deans have been fired over the rankings. Higher rank = higher prestige = higher number of $$$ people are willing to pay. It doesn't mean it's a better school but more people are willing to pay more money to attend if you are higher ranked

credited.

[ruleser]

Why exactly do schools even care about rankings? If they go up or down, they don't stand to make much more money, so what's the point? Is it just for prestige or what?

Have you been reading the thread? A lot of people obsess over the rankings and choose to pay lots of money to go to these schools based largely on their ranking. Also, Alex Johnson over at UVa said (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7_xHsce57c) that deans have been fired over the rankings. Higher rank = higher prestige = higher number of $$$ people are willing to pay. It doesn't mean it's a better school but more people are willing to pay more money to attend if you are higher ranked

A school like Washington and Lee it can be massively important - with its remote location, small size, lots of competition in the market, if it's a T25 it still can draw lots of interest from around the country. As it slips toward 40ish, I'd bet fewer people give it a look/ap.

[TTT-LS]

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