Take the money and Run; YS - CCNH? Forum

A. Nony Mouse · Post by **A. Nony Mouse** » Sun Apr 27, 2014 11:04 pm

Just because neither can afford to pay sticker for HLS doesn't put them in the same financial situation, though.

UnicornHunter · Post by **UnicornHunter** » Sun Apr 27, 2014 11:07 pm

emu42 wrote:
A. Nony Mouse wrote:
emu42 wrote:
I enjoyed law school and I don't think it was a hellhole, and that's not really what people were scoffing at.
I'm not gonna go back and pull out quotes for you, but...yes, that was definitely scoffed at.
It was scoffed at because you'd already dug yourself into a hole and sounded naive about the whole process. If you hadn't, no one would have cared.
I typed out lines and lines of drivel in this thread and what people took the most offense with was the notion law school could be a rewarding/enjoyable experience. If not being a jaded asshole means I'll get ripped apart by the 5k post wolves, I'd rather get ripped apart by the wolves.

No it wasn't. The flack you took was for (amongst other things) suggesting that the difference in "the law school experience" between Harvard and, say, Columbia could be worth something like $100,000 or more of non-dischargeable debt.

jbagelboy · Post by **jbagelboy** » Sun Apr 27, 2014 11:07 pm

Pulsar wrote:
sublime wrote:

His point that a $40k and $120k household income doesn't have any significant differences is still absurd though.
You're really doubling down on being dumb. Consider that $120k is less than the associate salaries that struggle to pay off law school debt in under a decade. Both of those numbers approximate to "Good luck in law school kid! Here's some loan paperwork the school sent you."

Two kids go to law school and both end up negative $200k plus. Please explain why one is more needy than the other. Oh that's right; they aren't. Carry on.

I agree there's no practical difference wrt law school tuition payments - first, because the kid with parents making median american household income ($40-45k) will get massive need based aid for college, negating the difference in expenditures the higher income family would suffer, and second, because we are adults and shouldn't be asking our near-retirement age parents for handouts anymore - but there is an underlying structural discontinuity in equating the two.

On the surface, both kids will run up in the red, but the student whose parents make six figures has a much larger safety net. It wouldn't be easy for them to contribute to his living expenses or loan payments, but it also wouldn't be impossible. The very fact that, in the back of his conscience, tucked away behind layers of self-sufficiency and superego, he has high-income (relative to median) earners in his family and a network of absurd wealth that most americans not to mention global citizens will never experience plays a role in his decision making, and informs every financial judgment, choice and attitude.

That being said, I'm not a fan of quotes being taken out of context, so I appreciate sublime's indignation but also that what you said is pretty accurate overall.

sublime · Post by **sublime** » Sun Apr 27, 2014 11:09 pm

soj · Post by **soj** » Mon Apr 28, 2014 12:13 am

are there still prospies somehow considering HYS sticker-$ over CCN $$$? any snowflakes intent on academia?

MistakenGenius · Post by **MistakenGenius** » Mon Apr 28, 2014 12:16 am

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patogordo · Post by **patogordo** » Mon Apr 28, 2014 12:19 am

hasn't the government guaranteed student loans since like the 70's? does that really explain the recent atmospheric rise in tuition?

emu42 · Post by **emu42** » Mon Apr 28, 2014 12:25 am

soj wrote:are there still prospies somehow considering HYS sticker-$ over CCN $$$? any snowflakes intent on academia?

why are they snowflakes? you realize there have to be some academics to come out of hys, right? biglaw isn't a bad fallback option if it fails

MistakenGenius · Post by **MistakenGenius** » Mon Apr 28, 2014 12:26 am

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emu42 · Post by **emu42** » Mon Apr 28, 2014 12:31 am

any1 in this thread who got into hls or hls equivalent (prob not many of u) single n lookin..

iliketurtles123 · Post by **iliketurtles123** » Mon Apr 28, 2014 12:33 am

emu42 wrote:
soj wrote:are there still prospies somehow considering HYS sticker-$ over CCN $$$? any snowflakes intent on academia?
why are they snowflakes? you realize there have to be some academics to come out of hys, right? biglaw isn't a bad fallback option if it fails

Are people still going for academia?

Isn't the whole legal market and education field downsizing? can't imagine there would be room for any academia jobs in the near future.

MistakenGenius · Post by **MistakenGenius** » Mon Apr 28, 2014 12:33 am

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emu42 · Post by **emu42** » Mon Apr 28, 2014 12:38 am

MistakenGenius wrote:
emu42 wrote:any1 in this thread who got into hls or hls equivalent (prob not many of u) single n lookin..
All three of HYS. If you're a chick, how u doin? If you're a guy, tits or GTFO.

chick checking IN.

Pneumonia · Post by **Pneumonia** » Mon Apr 28, 2014 12:38 am

emu42 wrote:any1 in this thread who got into hls or hls equivalent (prob not many of u) single n lookin..

you should use the already-lounged thread for this because its better

emu42 · Post by **emu42** » Mon Apr 28, 2014 12:39 am

Pneumonia wrote:
emu42 wrote:any1 in this thread who got into hls or hls equivalent (prob not many of u) single n lookin..
you should use the already-lounged thread for this because its better

i no ur gna try n get wit me wen were @ hls nxt fall..

MistakenGenius · Post by **MistakenGenius** » Mon Apr 28, 2014 12:40 am

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A. Nony Mouse · Post by **A. Nony Mouse** » Mon Apr 28, 2014 12:41 am

Yeah, this is an on-topic, so if you keep fucking around about meeting someone at HLS you'll get banned.

NYSprague · Post by **NYSprague** » Mon Apr 28, 2014 12:42 am

patogordo wrote:hasn't the government guaranteed student loans since like the 70's? does that really explain the recent atmospheric rise in tuition?

The government lent to people who couldn't get private loans.

The real change was when student loans became non- dischargeable with the government power of collection meant that lending had little risk.

I am not sure when private lenders got out of the loan business but I recall massive scandals at Columbia and other schools when it turned out Citibank paid incentives to the financial aid head to recommend them over other banks.

I may be getting some of this wrong because I've never had loans. But the non- dischargability and the unlimited amount the government will lend seem to be a sea change from early government programs.

The enforcement mechanisms and high interest rates could be a gold mine for the government if tuition wasn't so high that a lot of debt will end up being forgiven.

emu42 · Post by **emu42** » Mon Apr 28, 2014 12:45 am

A. Nony Mouse wrote:Yeah, this is an on-topic, so if you keep fucking around about meeting someone at HLS you'll get banned.

+1

NYSprague · Post by **NYSprague** » Mon Apr 28, 2014 12:46 am

MistakenGenius wrote:
emu42 wrote:any1 in this thread who got into hls or hls equivalent (prob not many of u) single n lookin..

All three of HYS. If you're a chick, how u doin? If you're a guy, tits or GTFO.[/]

I don't think he got into any law schools. I think he may be the guy who periodically trolls - like the one about being suspended.

On the other hand, I hope he is real because the Harvard TLSers will have fun picking him out.

Edit: never mind. Relying on the mods.

NYSprague · Post by **NYSprague** » Mon Apr 28, 2014 12:47 am

emu42 wrote:
A. Nony Mouse wrote:Yeah, this is an on-topic, so if you keep fucking around about meeting someone at HLS you'll get banned.
+1

She was talking to you.

cotiger · Post by **cotiger** » Mon Apr 28, 2014 12:48 am

NYSprague wrote:
MistakenGenius wrote:
emu42 wrote:any1 in this thread who got into hls or hls equivalent (prob not many of u) single n lookin..
All three of HYS. If you're a chick, how u doin? If you're a guy, tits or GTFO.
Still not enough to ban this kid?

I don't think he got into any law schools. I think he may be the guy who periodically trolls - like the one about being suspended.

On the other hand, I hope he is real because the Harvard TLSers will have fun picking him out.

Nah, I'm pretty sure he's real but is now trying to get everyone to think he was just a troll/not an actual dipshit.

A. Nony Mouse · Post by **A. Nony Mouse** » Mon Apr 28, 2014 12:49 am

Yeah, that sounds about right. (At least, it's not the troll you were referring to, NY.)

emu42 · Post by **emu42** » Mon Apr 28, 2014 12:53 am

cotiger wrote:
NYSprague wrote:
MistakenGenius wrote:
emu42 wrote:any1 in this thread who got into hls or hls equivalent (prob not many of u) single n lookin..
All three of HYS. If you're a chick, how u doin? If you're a guy, tits or GTFO.
Still not enough to ban this kid?

I don't think he got into any law schools. I think he may be the guy who periodically trolls - like the one about being suspended.

On the other hand, I hope he is real because the Harvard TLSers will have fun picking him out.
Nah, I'm pretty sure he's real but is now trying to get everyone to think he was just a troll/not an actual dipshit.

meh, i got bashed for disagreeing with the tls aristocracy. rather than admit defeat and join in on the circle jerk, i decided to have a little fun on my way out

also i'm not a "he"

soj · Post by **soj** » Mon Apr 28, 2014 12:54 am

emu42 wrote:
soj wrote:are there still prospies somehow considering HYS sticker-$ over CCN $$$? any snowflakes intent on academia?
why are they snowflakes? you realize there have to be some academics to come out of hys, right? biglaw isn't a bad fallback option if it fails

i assume anyone contemplating legal academia is envisioning a tenure-track position, because adjunct positions pay basically nothing and have no job security. yet the sheer fortuity of everything that must go right to have a remote chance at tenure-track positions in this economy, let alone tenure, is so unlikely that it's ridiculous to consider seriously as a 0L who knows nothing about law. all of this when the market for legal academics is rightly and rapidly shrinking.

putting aside the infinitesimal chances, i wonder if 0Ls interested in legal academia have the faintest idea of what being a law professor is like other than that it pays very well for far fewer hours than biglaw. do they have a clear research agenda? any agenda? do they have any significant experience publishing in academia (as in an academically rigorous masters or phd program, not served as an undergrad research assistant)? do they know they won't hate teaching law students (though lord knows a law prof doesn't have to enjoy or be good at teaching), or the law? many law professors didn't decide to become law professors until well into or even after law school, and that's my point: it's difficult to know beforehand that it's a realistic or even desired career path. a pre-law school interest in legal academia is unlikely to coincide with a post-law school interest in legal academia, and unlikelier still to coincide with the credentials required to break into it.

prospects in academia should be a very marginal tiebreaker, not something that outweighs any significant amount of money.