Indiana Tech Law School Forum

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This line here may be the best ad I have ever seen for HYS.

[HarlandBassett]

i'm waiting for the LS industrial complex fallout to hit such lows that the ABA will drop the LSAT requirement and fully accredit online law school programs so that a CPA (such as me) can take the bar exam and start structuring international tax projects. (yes i am really a CPA specializing in International Tax)

Well, the ABA recently approved their first hybrid online program.

http://web.wmitchell.edu/news/2013/12/w ... d-program/

I suspect that this may make attending law school a possibility for some working adults that are lacking other reasonable options.

yea, i am aware of this. a few years ago, it was only 12 or so online credits permitted for some other LS. we're moving in the right direction. waiting for a 100% online one. i don't need the t14 pedigree, just need the license to practice.

Half of U.S. Business Schools Might Be Gone by 2020
March 14, 2014

http://www.businessweek.com/articles/20 ... ls-by-2020

Richard Lyons, the dean of University of California, Berkeley’s Haas School of Business, has a dire forecast for business education: “Half of the business schools in this country could be out of business in 10 years—or five,” he says.

The threat, says Lyons, is that more top MBA programs will start to offer degrees online. That will imperil the industry’s business model. For most business schools, students pursuing part-time and executive MBAs generate crucial revenue. Those programs, geared toward working professionals, will soon have to compete with elite online alternatives for the same population.

Lower-ranked business schools, rather than recognized names such as Harvard Business School and Wharton, are most vulnerable to this phenomenon. When the big players start offering online degrees, they’ll draw far-flung students who might otherwise have opted for the convenience of a part-time program close to home.

Part-time and EMBA programs are a financial engine because they award less financial aid than full-time programs. Since most of their students are corporate strivers already living near campus—and because competition for those students is limited by geography—part-time programs can count on a steady stream of high-quality attendees.

Say you’re a consultant with young kids in Phoenix who wants to boost her career with a business degree. You’d probably choose a part-time MBA program at the University of Arizona or Arizona State University because committing to a long stint away from home is impossible. Education technology “has the potential to make the proximity factor go away,” says Lyons, taking some high-margin students with it.

While most schools don’t publish the total amount of financial aid they award MBAs, Lyons estimates that the average full-time student at an elite school gets a 25 percent discount on tuition. At part-time and EMBA programs, the average student pays something much closer to the sticker price.

If brand-name schools lure the best students, part-time programs with lesser reputations may have to become less selective, says Lyons. Without a high quality student body, they have less of an argument for staying in business. They’ll have to ask themselves: “How down-market would you go?”

While few top-tier schools have put MBA programs online, a slew of other business schools have. The elites are slowly warming to the digital world, dabbling in non-degree online education. Online education has mostly shed the stigma of association with such down market institutions as DeVry University and University of Phoenix; as its legitimacy grows, Wharton, Stanford, and their ilk are likely to offer online degrees.

Big names have strong brand recognition that attracts top students (and helps justify their price tags). A school like the University of Arizona’s Eller College of Management can compete on price against higher-ranked programs, but that might not be enough to hold on to that Phoenix-based executive—at least, if she’s good enough to get into an online program from Wharton or Stanford.

Online MBA programs aren’t siphoning choice students from campuses yet, says Ash Soni, executive associate dean at Indiana University’s Kelley School of Business. Kelley ranks 15th on Bloomberg Businessweek’s list of full-time programs and was an early player in online MBAs. The school draws students from across the country, but it is more likely to compete with online MBA programs offered by the University of North Carolina’s Kenan-Flagler Business School and Arizona State’s Carey School of Business. Says Soni: “If you’re a dean from a regional school and you’re asking, ‘Are these online guys tapping into my space?’ The answer is: maybe in the future, but not yet.”

Michael Desiderio, the executive director of the Executive MBA Council, says change is coming, but his group isn’t panicking. “We’re not saying it’s a threat or this is the end of the EMBA space,” he says. “It’s stimulating a discussion: How do we adapt to continue to serve a population that has changing needs?”

Online education is sure to shift the ways schools compete for students. For-profit MBA programs such as DeVry’s Keller School of Management have been the early losers as more traditional universities go online, says Robert Lytle, a partner in the education practice at consultancy Parthenon Group. That trend could extend to lower-ranked schools as the big-name brands follow.

When Lytle talks to directors at schools who are debating the merits of online learning, he tells them to stop dallying and start building programs. “Once you get out of the top tier of schools, you’re either already online, on your way there, or dead in the water,” he says. It isn’t clear which online models will be most successful, but many schools are feeling pressure to get on board. When Villanova School of Business announced a new online MBA program earlier this year, Dean Patrick Maggitti said there has never been a more uncertain time in higher education. “I think it’s smart strategy to be looking at options in this market.”

i read somewhere that the ABA reviews its policies every 5 years, so hopefully LSs will move in this direction. but the 2 most important things to me are
1. how will my (potential or current) employer value it?
2. cost

[A. Nony Mouse]

Please don't cut-and-paste entire articles from elsewhere - copyright holders get peeved at that.

[03152016]

[rad lulz]

How many people are gonna enroll do we know that yet?

[Pneumonia]

the legal market could never go down

[Tuxedo]

Sometimes being a 0L really does have its perks, like when you receive emails from Indiana Tech.

Today, I received an email highlighting this fantastic report in The Indiana Lawyer. link

Excerpt:

Without having a mentor, he [Teck Law Student Christian Allen] said, “I would still think this is the best law school in the world, but the mentor program just really put it over the top and brought everything together.”

Usually when people blow this much hot air they're doing so because there would be some advantage to misrepresenting the truth. What advantage there might be to graduating with a Teck JD is beyond my ability to discern.

[TheSpanishMain]

Sometimes being a 0L really does have its perks, like when you receive emails from Indiana Tech.

Today, I received an email highlighting this fantastic report in The Indiana Lawyer. link

Excerpt:

Without having a mentor, he [Teck Law Student Christian Allen] said, “I would still think this is the best law school in the world, but the mentor program just really put it over the top and brought everything together.”

Usually when people blow this much hot air they're doing so because there would be some advantage to misrepresenting the truth. What advantage there might be to graduating with a Teck JD is beyond my ability to discern.

Oh God, that picture. Let's just pose with this reference book as though we were caught mid-philosophical discussion. Great idea! #MENTORSHIP

[TigerDude]

lol.

Mentorship = "the judge lets me read in his courtroom"

[unodostres]

dinner dates? wtf is this shit

these schools must be closed. disgusting.

[North]

[03152016]

Why is Louie Anderson going to LS

[cron1834]

Why is Louie Anderson going to LS

This thread continues to be 181.

[20141023]

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[A. Nony Mouse]

Y'all just hatin' cuz Christian "is considering pursuing a law clerk post after graduation and, for this summer, has already secured a position working for a judge in the Illinois 5th District Appellate Court."

God, for a moment I thought that said he was "considering pursuing a law clerk post graduation" and given the school, I was ready to believe it.

[ManoftheHour]

Y'all just hatin' cuz Christian "is considering pursuing a law clerk post after graduation and, for this summer, has already secured a position working for a judge in the Illinois 5th District Appellate Court."

God, for a moment I thought that said he was "considering pursuing a law clerk post graduation" and given the school, I was ready to believe it.

[mewalke1]

Why is Louie Anderson going to LS

[hiima3L]

To be fair, the mentorship program is a good idea that more schools should try to formally introduce, IMO.

But the likelihood that that judge hires him as a law clerk is probably vanishingly small. Once the first class's job stats come out, I bet the school will be forced to fold.

[Cicero76]

To be fair, the mentorship program is a good idea that more schools should try to formally introduce, IMO.

But the likelihood that that judge hires him as a law clerk is probably vanishingly small. Once the first class's job stats come out, I bet the school will be forced to fold.

It's not exactly difficult to find mentors when your class size is 23 students. If YLS--or any t14 really--had a class size of 23, we could probably all have scotus justices as mentors.

[Tuxedo]

To be fair, the mentorship program is a good idea that more schools should try to formally introduce, IMO.

But the likelihood that that judge hires him as a law clerk is probably vanishingly small. Once the first class's job stats come out, I bet the school will be forced to fold.

It's not exactly difficult to find mentors when your class size is 23 students. If YLS--or any t14 really--had a class size of 23, we could probably all have scotus justices as mentors.

Do we know that enrollment is still at 23 students? Surely some have dropped out this semester.

And this is a magistrate judge. While I don't have all elements of the glorious US judicial system mapped out in my head, I'm pretty sure he's not the guy calling the balls and strikes, right?

[Winter is Coming]

I just recently learned about this whole saga, but check out their CSO website:

"One of the opportunities Indiana Tech Law School students enjoy can also be a challenge: How to choose among the wide range of careers an Indiana Tech law degree makes possible. Our faculty and staff are currently working on providing more information and resources to our students regarding career services programs.

We encourage you to check back here later in the academic year to learn about these opportunities."

http://law.indianatech.edu/employment/c ... -programs/

That's NUTS. And a lie. A nie, if you will. "Your hardest problem will be deciding between your offers. Come back for offers later."

[ManoftheHour]

I just recently learned about this whole saga, but check out their CSO website:

"One of the opportunities Indiana Tech Law School students enjoy can also be a challenge: How to choose among the wide range of careers an Indiana Tech law degree makes possible. Our faculty and staff are currently working on providing more information and resources to our students regarding career services programs.

We encourage you to check back here later in the academic year to learn about these opportunities."

http://law.indianatech.edu/employment/c ... -programs/

That's NUTS. And a lie. A nie, if you will. "Your hardest problem will be deciding between your offers. Come back for offers later."

Subway. McDonald's. Or a position in the barista staff of the preftigious Starbucks. Some of them will be school funded though.

[hiima3L]

I just recently learned about this whole saga, but check out their CSO website:

"One of the opportunities Indiana Tech Law School students enjoy can also be a challenge: How to choose among the wide range of careers an Indiana Tech law degree makes possible. Our faculty and staff are currently working on providing more information and resources to our students regarding career services programs.

We encourage you to check back here later in the academic year to learn about these opportunities."

http://law.indianatech.edu/employment/c ... -programs/

That's NUTS. And a lie. A nie, if you will. "Your hardest problem will be deciding between your offers. Come back for offers later."

To be fair, a number of places require a JD as a necessary prereq. If you get a JD from Tech, the job becomes a possibility.

But it's also possible that if I buy a lotto ticket I will win.

[antiochus3]

It looks like Indiana Tech was inspired by UCLA:

"The advantages to graduating from UCLA School of Law result in a challenging question: How to choose among the vast array of opportunities that a UCLA School of Law degree makes possible."

https://www.law.ucla.edu/career-service ... fault.aspx