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[cron1834]

I'm still pushing for Duke. I feel that Michigan has slipped in placement and hasn't rebounded.
I still can't believe you would try to decide without going. You aren't going to just move to a school sight unseen. That would be foolish in case you are miserable.

I don't know what else to say.

Not everyone is enamored or persuaded by Dean Z s personality.

57% vs 60% BLaw+FClerk when Mich attracts twice as many PI people? And is cutting class size aggressively? Duke did slightly better, but Mich very definitely rebounded, and should continue to improve when they drop under 300 class size next year. There's no question these are peers for NYC.

I agree that Duke is probably the smarter choice here, but OP is going to pick Mich. I've pounded my head against the wall enough ITT

[MrSebastian]

Did OP say her gut is telling her Mich? This sounds like a case of committing to one school before hearing from another, not instinctually knowing the right choice.

I do think that "fit" matters a lot here since her options are so similar. I.e, I had this same dilemma and knew that I didn't want to put up with another Michigan winter while dealing with law school stress. It was one thing as an undergrad, but putting up with miserable temperatures and not seeing the sun for two weeks isn't something I wanted while in the thick of law school.

[kimkardashian]

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[NYSprague]

You can't make decisions based on reading about sporting events. That's undergrad stuff.
You are making a mistake if you don't visit and if you are too worried about a summer class, when you've already been accepted to school.

[kimkardashian]

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[NYSprague]

You aren't getting NYU.
Stop worrying about sports. You sound like a troll.
The rankings thing is also stupid.
If you want a top school, you need a better LSAT score. So you could retake, but you won't.

[kimkardashian]

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[HP5450]

You aren't getting NYU.
Stop worrying about sports. You sound like a troll.
The rankings thing is also stupid.
If you want a top school, you need a better LSAT score. So you could retake, but you won't.

Well all things being equal, I'm supposed to look at culture and location, so wouldn't sports be relevant? And Michigan and Duke are both top schools that I'm more than happy with so no, not going to retake.

Go Blue. Michigan is colder, but Michigan Law has a colloquial, down to earth feel that no other school can match. Do lay people think Michigan is less prestigious? Yes. Are they right? No. We are less pretentious and douchey though. Plus, the law school is far more magnificent. You will love Michigan if you choose to attend.

[Druid]

Thank you for all the replies! I love reading what you all have to say because my friends and family know nothing about law schools and have never visited either place so they're no help, haha.

I keep going back and forth. I think the thing that's preventing me from going to Michigan is the weather and the distance, plus the lack of lay prestige (not that important of a factor but my mom keeps mentioning it because she wrongly thinks Duke is an Ivy and she's never heard of Michigan). The thing that's preventing me from commiting to Duke is the fact that it's usually been ranked ~1 lower than Mich in the last few years, aversion to being a Blue Devil, and fear that I might not like the area (my best friend is an undergrad there and although she's rooting for me to go to Duke, she's been making Duke sound miserable for the past three years whenever she talks about it).

But the sporty aspect of both schools is the worst part, which is why I hope to get into NYU. There's something so repellant about blindly supporting a sports team to the point of commiting violent acts against the other team, ignoring academics in favor of watching games, drinking in excess in the name of a game, and generally being immature and overly biased towards one's own school simply because they have good sports teams. And don't get me started on letting people in based on sports merit and favoring those students even if their academics and personal conduct aren't up to par... I've seen too many instances of sexual assault getting ignored because the alleged assaulter was on a sports team. I haaaaaaaaaaaate sports player worship in instances like that sorry /endrant

Lol holy shit. Go to Duke.

[Druid]

You aren't getting NYU.
Stop worrying about sports. You sound like a troll.
The rankings thing is also stupid.
If you want a top school, you need a better LSAT score. So you could retake, but you won't.

Well all things being equal, I'm supposed to look at culture and location, so wouldn't sports be relevant? And Michigan and Duke are both top schools that I'm more than happy with so no, not going to retake.

Go Blue. Michigan is colder, but Michigan Law has a colloquial, down to earth feel that no other school can match. Do lay people think Michigan is less prestigious? Yes. Are they right? No. We are less pretentious and douchey though. Plus, the law school is far more magnificent. You will love Michigan if you choose to attend.

Lol.
(Claims to be more down to earth than any other school)
(Claims to be less pretentious than any other school)
(Says their law school is more "magnificent" than any other)

[cron1834]

You aren't getting NYU.
Stop worrying about sports. You sound like a troll.
The rankings thing is also stupid.
If you want a top school, you need a better LSAT score. So you could retake, but you won't.

Well all things being equal, I'm supposed to look at culture and location, so wouldn't sports be relevant? And Michigan and Duke are both top schools that I'm more than happy with so no, not going to retake.

1) the general consensus is that Mich is the sportiest of the T14s. That's why people are getting frustrated with your schtick about Duke basketball.

2) this is a really childish concern for a $300k decision. You're an adult - don't go to games if you don't want to. Every LS will have sports fans and non-sports fans.

Are you even serious? How on earth did you even get these two options?

[NYSprague]

You aren't getting NYU.
Stop worrying about sports. You sound like a troll.
The rankings thing is also stupid.
If you want a top school, you need a better LSAT score. So you could retake, but you won't.

Well all things being equal, I'm supposed to look at culture and location, so wouldn't sports be relevant? And Michigan and Duke are both top schools that I'm more than happy with so no, not going to retake.

1) the general consensus is that Mich is the sportiest of the T14s. That's why people are getting frustrated with your schtick about Duke basketball.

2) this is a really childish concern for a $300k decision. You're an adult - don't go to games if you don't want to. Every LS will have sports fans and non-sports fans.

Are you even serious? How on earth did you even get these two options?

She needs to visit the schools, claims she can't miss a summer class to go and stays ignorant of michigans huge sports obsession despite reading about the school for hours, yet can't make the connection that law school is different than being an undergrad.

She could fly to michigan on Monday and have half her info.

[BigZuck]

OP has a 3.8 and is facing sticker at Duke and Michigan?

Retake

Haven't read the thread really, why is it 4 pages? Is the OP arguing about dumb stuff? Don't do that OP.

[NYSprague]

OP has a 3.8 and is facing sticker at Duke and Michigan?

Retake

Haven't read the thread really, why is it 4 pages? Is the OP arguing about dumb stuff? Don't do that OP.

Parents are paying. Low LSAT. Needs to visit but won't because of a summer class (lol) Being a diva basically. I should have stayed away from this thread.

Good luck OP.

[cron1834]

OP has a 3.8 and is facing sticker at Duke and Michigan?

Retake

Haven't read the thread really, why is it 4 pages? Is the OP arguing about dumb stuff? Don't do that OP.

Parents are paying. Low LSAT. Needs to visit but won't because of a summer class (lol) Being a diva basically. I should have stayed away from this thread.

Good luck OP.

Plus sports and weather. You know, the classics.

OP, hit me up on Saturdays if you go to Mich. I prob won't be going to games either.

[Druid]

Is the OP arguing about dumb stuff? Don't do that OP.

Best response ITT.

[kimkardashian]

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[chuckbass]

The problem with culture is that you're mixing up law school culture with the culture of the school overall. Law school is far removed from undergrad, and there will be more than enough people spending Saturdays in the libraries at both schools.

[beachbum]

I guess I got the idea that Duke is sportier from a panel I attended with the dean, who mentioned a three day event where all the law students camp out in tents before going to some basketball game. Also I heard that everyone burns benches there, which seems...wasteful and barbaric? Plus telling other schools to "go to hell" is not something I would ever do. Sorry to be uptight. Lol. But at the same time, I wouldn't want to not attend if 99% of everyone else at the law school is going. I know it's silly but I'd get FOMO and be afraid of not making friends if everyone is super into that kind of stuff.

Campout is for season tickets. Lots of people do it because a) watching games in Cameron is awesome and b) campout itself is awesome. People (undergrads) burn benches after we beat Carolina because Carolina sucks, and bonfires are, in the spirit of this reply, awesome. We (undergrads, law students, everyone) tell Carolina to go to hell because Carolina is a miserable school filled with terrible people wearing an inferior shade of blue, and they should really go to hell. We tell them this in full awareness that it may hurt their feelings.

Based on the above post and (especially) your subsequent post, I'll encourage you to explore your options outside of Duke. Because we have a basketball team (and a football team! that doesn't suck anymore). These teams exist, and some people (even law students) attend their games, cheer for them, and carry irrational sports-based animosity towards certain other schools. That's a thing that goes on, and it sounds like you're opposed to that going on.

[kimkardashian]

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[NYSprague]

^^^
I'm no expert but my relatives in Ohio tell me they hate Michigan just as much as you seem to hate North Carolina. I'm pretty sure Michigan reciprocates.

[Druid]

Duke vs UNC (basketball) or Michigan vs THE Ohio State University (football). Talk about picking your poison.

[Druid]

^^^
I'm no expert but my relatives in Ohio tell me they hate Michigan just as much as you seem to hate North Carolina. I'm pretty sure Michigan reciprocates.

Can confirm. Would dropkick an infant if it were wearing red during football season.

[kimkardashian]

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