Touro Law vs. Suffolk Law Forum

[BigZuck]

To be fair, I've seen posters who I think made choices that were at least debatably due to prestige, although they didn't say so directly. I'm thinking of stuff like, "I've got the Rubenstein, but I think I'm going to go to Harvard because, you know, it's Harvard." It's not exactly an epidemic of prestige circle jerking, but you do see some of it from time to time.

Oh, for sure. But what I want to see is someone telling someone to retake for prestige. Isn't that what these guys are talking about?

For example-I want to see a post where someone has a full ride to Alabama, wants to work as a DA in Alabama, and someone says "Retake so you can go to Northwestern at sticker, idiot." Something like that. I would love to see it.

There must be a number of examples if the retake chorus is just a bunch of mindless prestige-chasers, yes?

[CiaoTat]

Thanks for those who gave sincere feedback! Based on your supported reasoning, that has been of help and hopefully to other prospective law students.

To clarify:
a) Retake comments --I do appreciate those who explained why you believe that is the best choice! I only found the comments that said RETAKE or KILL YOURSELF to be idiotic and completly immature. If you cannot explain your reasons you are not being helpful to us 0L that care to know.
b) My last remark on LSAT score and slackers was only to reply on a previous post. Basically not only LSAT determines if you will do well in Law School, but so does your undergrad performance. I believe that was already covered by other commenters, but I had to reaffirm why I first brought that up.
c) I did do my research and spoke with recent Touro and Suffolk Law graduates. For those who performed at the top rank, they were in job placements I find myself in--> Which is why my dilemma had come down to my original post.

Thank you for your input to assist in my decision about law school

[McAvoy]

Thanks for those who gave sincere feedback! Based on your supported reasoning, that has been of help and hopefully to other prospective law students.

To clarify:
a) Retake comments --I do appreciate those who explained why you believe that is the best choice! I only found the comments that said RETAKE or KILL YOURSELF to be idiotic and completly immature. If you cannot explain your reasons you are not being helpful to us 0L that care to know.
b) My last remark on LSAT score and slackers was only to reply on a previous post. Basically not only LSAT determines if you will do well in Law School, but so does your undergrad performance. I believe that was already covered by other commenters, but I had to reaffirm why I first brought that up.
c) I did do my research and spoke with recent Touro and Suffolk Law graduates. For those who performed at the top rank, they were in job placements I find myself in--> Which is why my dilemma had come down to my original post.

Thank you for your input to assist in my decision about law school

Your undergrad performance has very little to do with your law school performance. The LSAT has legit predictive validity, though, and I don't know the data, but I would also think that being ESL puts you at a serious disadvantage.

You don't have any legitimate reason to think you will do any better than median -- and I don't mean to be a douche here -- but you can't base your decision on what happens to the best of the best. Especially as someone whose inputs are "average," you have to plan on being average at law school, and the average outcome at any of these schools is unacceptable to a rational person.

If you think you have what it takes to be at the top of your law school class, why don't you think you have what it takes to have a great LSAT score? The latter is much easier than the former, and will make the former exponentially less important. You must retake here.

[butlerraider1]

Please, for your sake, dont go to either of these schools. A kid from my high school went to Suffolk and has 200k in debt right now....and no job.

[Nucky]

OP, you seem eager to destroy your life. That's fine. Just promise us you'll come back in three years and try to dissuade others from making a boneheaded decision similar to the one you're about to make(or seemingly have made).

Were four pages into this thread and you have yet to realize the obvious. Willful ignorance is still ignorance, but hey, it's your life. Good luck.

[Nucky]

I'll offer you one last alternative: Go to Vegas, and put $200k on a hand of blackjack, a spin of the roulette wheel, or similar. The odds of success and getting a positive return on your investment are better, and if you lose, you at least will not have lost three years of your life.

Sound dumb? I agree. But it's more intelligent than what you're about to do, which is gamble $200k on something that takes three years and only gives you a 30-50% chance at a job, much less a good one.

[CiaoTat]

The LSAT has legit predictive validity, though, and I don't know the data, but I would also think that being ESL puts you at a serious disadvantage.

Where did the ESL comment come from?

OP, you seem eager to destroy your life. That's fine. Just promise us you'll come back in three years and try to dissuade others from making a boneheaded decision similar to the one you're about to make(or seemingly have made).

Were four pages into this thread and you have yet to realize the obvious. Willful ignorance is still ignorance, but hey, it's your life. Good luck.

I ended by saying thank you to those who gave feedback on how I will decide my outcome. I never said the outcome or opened it up for more thread. It was a thank you to all...but for those who can only comment back with insults--get a life

[Nucky]

The LSAT has legit predictive validity, though, and I don't know the data, but I would also think that being ESL puts you at a serious disadvantage.

Where did the ESL comment come from?

OP, you seem eager to destroy your life. That's fine. Just promise us you'll come back in three years and try to dissuade others from making a boneheaded decision similar to the one you're about to make(or seemingly have made).

Were four pages into this thread and you have yet to realize the obvious. Willful ignorance is still ignorance, but hey, it's your life. Good luck.

I ended by saying thank you to those who gave feedback on how I will decide my outcome. I never said the outcome or opened it up for more thread. It was a thank you to all...but for those who can only comment back with insults--get a life

Just trying to help you. You asked. But it's been 4 pages and the answer is obvious. Insults are the least of your worries if you choose one of these options.

[McAvoy]

Didn't mean to insult you bro, I thought someone else said you were ESL, and your writing style kind of made me independently think you were ESL. The rest of my post stands -- these are dumpster fires.

It's your life, so YOLO, but you can't say you haven't been warned. FSM bless.

[northwood]

Ill chime in:
OP your best bet is to take a year off and retake. Scoring a 151 on the test tells me that you are missing fundamental concepts that if you are able to nail down, will result in a much better score ( like 6-7 points better at least) What was your worst section? If it was logic games, then that is good news because the games are very learnable, and they are a portion of the test where you can check your work and know that you got it right ( sure you may be able to do it with logical reasoning).

I may be just a single instance, but I took a year off- worked and studied and was able to get into the best school for the region I want to work in, and get a good scholarship. WIth options of Suffolk and Tuoro, you are looking at two different markets. NYC is competitive because a lot of students from a lot of schools want to go practice there. If you are a city resident, then you already know how expensive it is to live there, and it would behoove you to keep your debt as low as possible. If I the end it means that you take the LSAT again, get a full ride ( no stips) to a NYC school, then you are in a much better place than you are right now.

Look it it from another perspective. If you sit out a cycle, continue to work, and study for an LSAT rtake and get a full ride, then you figuratively made the value of your scholarship for 1L year plus your actual working wages minus debts ad taxes. ONce you matriculate, you lose this opportunity to reduce your cost of attendance and it is very,very,very, difficult to transfer.

AS A TLS MEMEBR USE the resources in here and study and try again.

[TheSpanishMain]

The LSAT has legit predictive validity, though, and I don't know the data, but I would also think that being ESL puts you at a serious disadvantage.

Where did the ESL comment come from?

OP, you seem eager to destroy your life. That's fine. Just promise us you'll come back in three years and try to dissuade others from making a boneheaded decision similar to the one you're about to make(or seemingly have made).

Were four pages into this thread and you have yet to realize the obvious. Willful ignorance is still ignorance, but hey, it's your life. Good luck.

I ended by saying thank you to those who gave feedback on how I will decide my outcome. I never said the outcome or opened it up for more thread. It was a thank you to all...but for those who can only comment back with insults--get a life

If English is your first language, then you write very poorly. I assumed you were not a native speaker. I'm not trying to insult you or be an asshole. Your writing made multiple people assume that English is not your first language. Law school and law involve a lot of writing. This may not be the best move for you.

[papercut]

OP:

I hope you listen to the main advice here: retake or don't go to law school.

I know some people can be a bit mean, but it's the Internet. Don't let any perceived meanness affect your judgment as to the value of the advice.

You're missing about 60k in living expenses and fees from your 40k tuition total. So, you are gonna be 100k+ in the hole, when you account for interest and loan fees.

If you don't take our advice, then the best of luck to you, I hope you succeed anyway.

[andapieceoftoast]

Feel the need to chime in here. Got a 159 on my first take in my senior year (a combo of not enough prep and nerves). Graduated college, got a job, earned enough money to take a prep class, scored 174. I'm only 2 years out of school.

I really need to echo those who have been saying that re-taking is always an option. You just have to decide if you're willing to put your dream on hold, study harder, and come out the other side with much better results.

It's fine if you want to go to a regional law school, but for goodness sake, graduate from that law school debt free!!! If you're looking in the NY market, please think about your competition. The NY market is cluttered with schools from all ends of the spectrum. By graduating without debt, you give yourself a fighting chance to get where you want to go, even if that means not getting your first choice job right away.

[MistakenGenius]

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[Pragmatic Gun]

I for one find rad lulz's terse and brusque posts entertaining.

OP, FYI the LIRR is really inconvienent compared to driving around Long Island. Good luck getting home late at night when train service is sporadic.

Also, I recommend you retake. I am one of those fools who told everyone about his law school cycle. I got into GULC, bro, and I'm a year out of undergrad. Guess what? I'm still retaking and taking another year off. Am I embarrassed? Most people did not care. Only my girlfriend was bothered, but that's due to the fact that delaying school in general isn't a pleasant idea. Even though they all warn me against losing sight of my goals, they all agree with my reasoning: the economy sucks, law school is overpriced, and I can do better.

Bear in mind that I already have a job, and am involving myself in local politics for my second year off. If you're going to do it, engage yourself in things that will edify yourself as a human being. I wouldn't wait another year if I didn't have a job and extracurriculurs to keep me busy. If you are looking at an empty year without doing anything meaningful, then you should re-assess whether you are ready for law school and whether you are really a "well-rounded person."

OP, don't waste a year; exploit it.

[HRomanus]

I know the OP has checked out, but I hope my full answer will help other 0Ls in this and future cycles.

Know this about the regular guys. Yes, they can come off as assholes at times. Hell, in one of my first posts, a "what are my chances" thread, BigZ here basically told me that everything I knew about law school was wrong and I was an idiot if I didn't set my sights higher. I did just that and a year later had incredible options, literally the best options an applicant can have. It's all thanks to these people. Thanks to them, I'm now going to have a far more successful career and life that I ever dreamed. All because of TLS and its mantras. When posters say retake or don't go in your situation, it isn't meant to belittle you or put you on the defensive. People can be annoying at times (I mean, Rad and Desert Fox annoy the hell out of me), but virtually all of them are good people who want what's best for you

I've decided that BigZuck is the Mr. Wonderful of TLS.

[BigZuck]

I know the OP has checked out, but I hope my full answer will help other 0Ls in this and future cycles.

Know this about the regular guys. Yes, they can come off as assholes at times. Hell, in one of my first posts, a "what are my chances" thread, BigZ here basically told me that everything I knew about law school was wrong and I was an idiot if I didn't set my sights higher. I did just that and a year later had incredible options, literally the best options an applicant can have. It's all thanks to these people. Thanks to them, I'm now going to have a far more successful career and life that I ever dreamed. All because of TLS and its mantras. When posters say retake or don't go in your situation, it isn't meant to belittle you or put you on the defensive. People can be annoying at times (I mean, Rad and Desert Fox annoy the hell out of me), but virtually all of them are good people who want what's best for you

I've decided that BigZuck is the Mr. Wonderful of TLS.

This guy?

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Orndorff

[HRomanus]

I've decided that BigZuck is the Mr. Wonderful of TLS.

This guy?

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Orndorff

How have you never seen Shark Tank? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pIZM2r_AJA

[Pragmatic Gun]

BigZ helped me out too and was the one who broke me in, so to speak. I'll never forget him.

[BigZuck]

It makes me kind of sad that Rad doesn't post as much in choosing threads as he used to because he's an awesome poster IMO and was the first one to welcome me to TLS.

He's a living legend. I'm just a guy with an Iphone addiction and too much time on his hands.

[ManoftheHour]

It makes me kind of sad that Rad doesn't post as much in choosing threads as he used to because he's an awesome poster IMO and was the first one to welcome me to TLS.

He's a living legend. I'm just a guy with an Iphone addiction and too much time on his hands.

I agree that he is a living legend.

Didn't Dr. Dre once said that you could be the next Radlulz?

You got this bro.

[Pragmatic Gun]

It makes me kind of sad that Rad doesn't post as much in choosing threads as he used to because he's an awesome poster IMO and was the first one to welcome me to TLS.

He's a living legend. I'm just a guy with an Iphone addiction and too much time on his hands.

I agree that he is a living legend.

Didn't Dr. Dre once said that you could be the next Radlulz?

You got this bro.

Dude, he broke my arrogance and he helped me believe in myself that I could get into a T6 school. He is the hero we need and deserve.

[PepperJack]

Even the top 10 percent law review people at these schools are precluded from the t-14. The best case is to transfer to a school with 30 percent positive outcomes at sticker knowing you're second rate because the firm's don't have a way of assessing your grades. The whole obsession with retaking and the post 2008 crisis underestimates how much of a dumpster hire these 2 schools are. There was never a time people for jobs to pay off 200k from them.

[TheSpanishMain]

BigZ helped me out too and was the one who broke me in, so to speak. I'll never forget him.

#Sexyprisonstories

[Pragmatic Gun]

BigZ helped me out too and was the one who broke me in, so to speak. I'll never forget him.

#Sexyprisonstories

Lol