Why such little apparent respect for Emory? Forum

[lawhopeful10]

People who think UGA is on par with Emory for ATL are either retards or go to UGA.

Haha I go to UGA and at identical costs Emory makes more sense 25.5% big firm + fed clerk vs. 18.4% for UGA. The thing is though UGA seems to always end up much cheaper to the point that is probably isn't worth the extra cost for that 7% increase. Also if you are out of state I think going to UGA helps your credibility as far as ties are concerned in the state more than Emory but that's just my opinion based on what I have heard.

[Orlandipo]

People who think UGA is on par with Emory for ATL are either retards or go to UGA.

Haha I go to UGA and at identical costs Emory makes more sense 25.5% big firm + fed clerk vs. 18.4% for UGA. The thing is though UGA seems to always end up much cheaper to the point that is probably isn't worth the extra cost for that 7% increase. Also if you are out of state I think going to UGA helps your credibility as far as ties are concerned in the state more than Emory but that's just my opinion based on what I have heard.

TBF if you're coming from out of state, you probably don't want to be anywhere else in GA but Atlanta, and I never met an employer in the city who was at all concerned with ties, given that you go to school 3 miles from downtown. Also, in my cycle anyways, the amount of scholarship money Emory was giving out made it cheaper for most out-of-state applicants than UGA; but that's a situation specific determination so it's pretty moot as far as comparing the two goes.

That said, career services is abhorrent, from both first and second hand experience. I wouldn't recommend the school, but there are very few situations I would recommend going to LS for now given my current situation as a graduate.

[Hipster but Athletic]

Lol at the thought of wanting BIG KENNESAW law from out of state.

[Princetonlaw68]

Just really curious, I have made a few threads asking "where should I go" almost always asking between: BU,BC, Emory & Fordham. The "winner" of these polls and threads varies, but what really never does is the fact Emory is last or hardly mentioned. I wondered if maybe it was just my "goals" that caused this, but looking around the site it seems that peer and lower ranked schools such as: Wash U, Fordham, BC, BU, GW, almost always are preferred by TLS members over Emory (provided the financial incentive is comparable.) Am I missing something here? Emory is ranked in the top 20, is one of the most respected universities in the country and is in a very desirable climate/location, housing seems to be very reasonable (compared to what i have looked at in Boston and DC) but still very rarely do i see a "definitely go to Emory" post? Please advise I am heavily leaning towards Emory and am just wondering if I have overlooked something

Part of it may be employment statistics/outcomes. Of the schools you list, Emory comes in last in terms of employment in the biggest 250 law firms and also comes in last among them in the most recent ATL rankings ("outcomes" ranking). Wash U, Fordham, BC, BU, and GW all are ranked ahead of Emory in these rankings. Emory is still an excellent law school and is especially ranked high on the most recent USNWR ranking, but most people would place more weight on employment outcomes/rankings like those I mentioned than on the USNWR rankings. Emory does have very strong employment statistics, don't get me wrong, but a lot of people on TLS place a lot more weight especially on biglaw placement, which Emory lacks in comparison with the other schools you're considering. This might be one possible explanation.

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[ManoftheHour]

Is it basically agreed upon that, cost aside, Emory and the rest of these schools are generally better for employment than Wash U. Wash U only got 12.6% into large firms and 2.7% fed clerkships in the most recent year (the most recent yr was not a fluke, stats like these are the norm for Wash U). As far as elite employment outcomes go, I feel that Wash U tends to have a dismal performance compared to the other schools people who are looking at it are usually choosing from. (All of these schools, like emory, GW, Fordham, BU etc. tend to get at least 25% big law +fed clerk, and schools like Fordham and BU even made it to around 35% in the most recent year. I wouldn't even say Wash U is in the same league as the rest of the schools, but maybe I truly am missing something here. If we exclude Wash U from the equation, then Emory tends to have the worst elite employment outcomes, but Emory tends to be far ahead of Wash U). Again, someone please tell me if I'm missing something here.

Please let me know if I'm missing something here.

Umm...what?

http://www.lstscorereports.com/schools/washu/2013/

WashU has 29% in big law and 3% in fed clerkships. Where'd you get 12.6% and 2.7% from?

[Princetonlaw68]

Is it basically agreed upon that, cost aside, Emory and the rest of these schools are generally better for employment than Wash U. Wash U only got 12.6% into large firms and 2.7% fed clerkships in the most recent year (the most recent yr was not a fluke, stats like these are the norm for Wash U). As far as elite employment outcomes go, I feel that Wash U tends to have a dismal performance compared to the other schools people who are looking at it are usually choosing from. (All of these schools, like emory, GW, Fordham, BU etc. tend to get at least 25% big law +fed clerk, and schools like Fordham and BU even made it to around 35% in the most recent year. I wouldn't even say Wash U is in the same league as the rest of the schools, but maybe I truly am missing something here. If we exclude Wash U from the equation, then Emory tends to have the worst elite employment outcomes, but Emory tends to be far ahead of Wash U). Again, someone please tell me if I'm missing something here.

Please let me know if I'm missing something here.

Umm...what?

http://www.lstscorereports.com/schools/washu/2013/

WashU has 29% in big law and 3% in fed clerkships. Where'd you get 12.6% and 2.7% from?

Nevermind. I'm an idiot. Accidentally clicked University of Washington. Nevermind everything. Going to delete that post.

[BigZuck]

Is it basically agreed upon that, cost aside, Emory and the rest of these schools are generally better for employment than Wash U. Wash U only got 12.6% into large firms and 2.7% fed clerkships in the most recent year (the most recent yr was not a fluke, stats like these are the norm for Wash U). As far as elite employment outcomes go, I feel that Wash U tends to have a dismal performance compared to the other schools people who are looking at it are usually choosing from. (All of these schools, like emory, GW, Fordham, BU etc. tend to get at least 25% big law +fed clerk, and schools like Fordham and BU even made it to around 35% in the most recent year. I wouldn't even say Wash U is in the same league as the rest of the schools, but maybe I truly am missing something here. If we exclude Wash U from the equation, then Emory tends to have the worst elite employment outcomes, but Emory tends to be far ahead of Wash U). Again, someone please tell me if I'm missing something here.

Please let me know if I'm missing something here.

Umm...what?

http://www.lstscorereports.com/schools/washu/2013/

WashU has 29% in big law and 3% in fed clerkships. Where'd you get 12.6% and 2.7% from?

Nevermind. I'm an idiot. Accidentally clicked University of Washington. Nevermind everything. Going to delete that post.

Thread had been silent for 5 days and needed a bump anyway though, so thank you for that.

[thevuch]

The school funded crap Emory pulls is bush league. That 83% also likely propelled them to 19th this year. It's false prestige. Sure they're in Atlanta and the big law placement is OK (being generous here) but for that price you damn well better have at least an OK big law placement. The yearly tuition hikes are at 3.88% but when you're talking about 48000 plus now that's a lot, especially for 20% big law. I think the only thing they do right is guarantee tr scholarships which UGA now does.


I'd like to see big law/fed clerk placement from
Both schools within the state of Georgia. I have no doubt Emory does better elsewhere but in GA I bet it's close

If you'd like you can ignore my comments because I'm going to UGA. Go dawgs

[WheatThins]

Is it basically agreed upon that, cost aside, Emory and the rest of these schools are generally better for employment than Wash U. Wash U only got 12.6% into large firms and 2.7% fed clerkships in the most recent year (the most recent yr was not a fluke, stats like these are the norm for Wash U). As far as elite employment outcomes go, I feel that Wash U tends to have a dismal performance compared to the other schools people who are looking at it are usually choosing from. (All of these schools, like emory, GW, Fordham, BU etc. tend to get at least 25% big law +fed clerk, and schools like Fordham and BU even made it to around 35% in the most recent year. I wouldn't even say Wash U is in the same league as the rest of the schools, but maybe I truly am missing something here. If we exclude Wash U from the equation, then Emory tends to have the worst elite employment outcomes, but Emory tends to be far ahead of Wash U). Again, someone please tell me if I'm missing something here.

Please let me know if I'm missing something here.

Umm...what?

http://www.lstscorereports.com/schools/washu/2013/

WashU has 29% in big law and 3% in fed clerkships. Where'd you get 12.6% and 2.7% from?

Nevermind. I'm an idiot. Accidentally clicked University of Washington. Nevermind everything. Going to delete that post.

You had such conviction for someone who apparently looked into a school for the first time.

[Princetonlaw68]

Is it basically agreed upon that, cost aside, Emory and the rest of these schools are generally better for employment than Wash U. Wash U only got 12.6% into large firms and 2.7% fed clerkships in the most recent year (the most recent yr was not a fluke, stats like these are the norm for Wash U). As far as elite employment outcomes go, I feel that Wash U tends to have a dismal performance compared to the other schools people who are looking at it are usually choosing from. (All of these schools, like emory, GW, Fordham, BU etc. tend to get at least 25% big law +fed clerk, and schools like Fordham and BU even made it to around 35% in the most recent year. I wouldn't even say Wash U is in the same league as the rest of the schools, but maybe I truly am missing something here. If we exclude Wash U from the equation, then Emory tends to have the worst elite employment outcomes, but Emory tends to be far ahead of Wash U). Again, someone please tell me if I'm missing something here.

Please let me know if I'm missing something here.

Umm...what?

http://www.lstscorereports.com/schools/washu/2013/

WashU has 29% in big law and 3% in fed clerkships. Where'd you get 12.6% and 2.7% from?

Nevermind. I'm an idiot. Accidentally clicked University of Washington. Nevermind everything. Going to delete that post.

You had such conviction for someone who apparently looked into a school for the first time.

Meh, I mean... it is the internet. I also explained that I would like for someone to tell me if I'm missing something multiple times, which I was.

Edit: (Not to mention my phrasing my belief as a question, rather than a statement. I guess I don't see the conviction here, but things can come out differently when written than they are intended to be.)

[wsparker]

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[chuckbass]

Umm...what?

http://www.lstscorereports.com/schools/washu/2013/

WashU has 29% in big law and 3% in fed clerkships. Where'd you get 12.6% and 2.7% from?

Thanks for backing up wustl when I'm not around

[deebanger]

The school funded crap Emory pulls is bush league. That 83% also likely propelled them to 19th this year. It's false prestige. Sure they're in Atlanta and the big law placement is OK (being generous here) but for that price you damn well better have at least an OK big law placement. The yearly tuition hikes are at 3.88% but when you're talking about 48000 plus now that's a lot, especially for 20% big law. I think the only thing they do right is guarantee tr scholarships which UGA now does.


I'd like to see big law/fed clerk placement from
Both schools within the state of Georgia. I have no doubt Emory does better elsewhere but in GA I bet it's close

If you'd like you can ignore my comments because I'm going to UGA. Go dawgs

but what do you think about emory's better big law placement compared to UGA?

[HRomanus]

The school funded crap Emory pulls is bush league. That 83% also likely propelled them to 19th this year. It's false prestige. Sure they're in Atlanta and the big law placement is OK (being generous here) but for that price you damn well better have at least an OK big law placement. The yearly tuition hikes are at 3.88% but when you're talking about 48000 plus now that's a lot, especially for 20% big law. I think the only thing they do right is guarantee tr scholarships which UGA now does.


I'd like to see big law/fed clerk placement from
Both schools within the state of Georgia. I have no doubt Emory does better elsewhere but in GA I bet it's close

If you'd like you can ignore my comments because I'm going to UGA. Go dawgs

but what do you think about emory's better big law placement compared to UGA?

LOL @ thevuch. Emory's BigLaw percentage destroys UGA's. People hitch their Emory hate to the school-funded numbers and (like ATL) treat those as unemployed, which is just absurd.

In any case, this thread actually played a large role in convincing me to take another year off, continue my WE, and retake. I really like Emory and I am excited to reapply in the fall.

[Orlandipo]

Consider for future posts that thevuch is an abject retard.

[deebanger]

Consider for future posts that thevuch is an abject retard.

[thevuch]

The school funded crap Emory pulls is bush league. That 83% also likely propelled them to 19th this year. It's false prestige. Sure they're in Atlanta and the big law placement is OK (being generous here) but for that price you damn well better have at least an OK big law placement. The yearly tuition hikes are at 3.88% but when you're talking about 48000 plus now that's a lot, especially for 20% big law. I think the only thing they do right is guarantee tr scholarships which UGA now does.


I'd like to see big law/fed clerk placement from
Both schools within the state of Georgia. I have no doubt Emory does better elsewhere but in GA I bet it's close

If you'd like you can ignore my comments because I'm going to UGA. Go dawgs

but what do you think about emory's better big law placement compared to UGA?

LOL @ thevuch. Emory's BigLaw percentage destroys UGA's. People hitch their Emory hate to the school-funded numbers and (like ATL) treat those as unemployed, which is just absurd.

In any case, this thread actually played a large role in convincing me to take another year off, continue my WE, and retake. I really like Emory and I am excited to reapply in the fall.

Prove to me that Emory's big law placement in Georgia destroys UGAs. I said in Georgia, show me where Emory "destroys" UGA in big law placement in the state of Georgia.

And the school funded positions are a "last resort" according to a professor at Emory I met at the visiting day. And when I asked this employment coordinator woman she told me their were stipends to fund students to do volunteer legal work. Show me how school funded positions are a good thing. Where's the data? Why would the school do something like fund positions? Probably because those students can't find gainful employment elsewhere.

[thevuch]

Consider for future posts that thevuch is an abject retard.

It's ok to insult others in order to raise your self esteem orlandipo. As perilous as your self worth must be to make statements like that I feel sorry for you.

[thevuch]

The school funded crap Emory pulls is bush league. That 83% also likely propelled them to 19th this year. It's false prestige. Sure they're in Atlanta and the big law placement is OK (being generous here) but for that price you damn well better have at least an OK big law placement. The yearly tuition hikes are at 3.88% but when you're talking about 48000 plus now that's a lot, especially for 20% big law. I think the only thing they do right is guarantee tr scholarships which UGA now does.


I'd like to see big law/fed clerk placement from
Both schools within the state of Georgia. I have no doubt Emory does better elsewhere but in GA I bet it's close

If you'd like you can ignore my comments because I'm going to UGA. Go dawgs

but what do you think about emory's better big law placement compared to UGA?

I think it should be better considering the cost. Emory wants to charge elite T14 tuition and act like their product is worth the money. It is to about 1/4 people, but what about the other 150?

[deebanger]

Consider for future posts that thevuch is an abject retard.

It's ok to insult others in order to raise your self esteem orlandipo. As perilous as your self worth must be to make statements like that I feel sorry for you.

dude, you are a 0l and he is a law school grad.

[thevuch]

Consider for future posts that thevuch is an abject retard.

It's ok to insult others in order to raise your self esteem orlandipo. As perilous as your self worth must be to make statements like that I feel sorry for you.

dude, you are a 0l and he is a law school grad.

Who went to Emory. How does it follow that he can call me an "abject retard" he's clearly defending his law school decision here. He's talking to himself as much as he is me

[deebanger]

Consider for future posts that thevuch is an abject retard.

It's ok to insult others in order to raise your self esteem orlandipo. As perilous as your self worth must be to make statements like that I feel sorry for you.

dude, you are a 0l and he is a law school grad.

Who went to Emory. How does it follow that he can call me an "abject retard" he's clearly defending his law school decision here. He's talking to himself as much as he is me

ok here you go, for Emory, last year you had 59 people get positions in law firms in what you would call trully big law (law firms of size 100-500+), considering georgia is the state with the largest employment for emory grads (over 50 percent), it is safe to assume a good potion of these were in georgia.

Now, for UGA, you had 26 grads get truly bug law gigs using my metric.

So, again, you are going to UGA thats fine, who knows you might end up getting a big law job too, but just dont put down emory, and hey its ok to admit that they are not peer schools. UGA and Emory are not BC/BU or USC/UCLA. They are most likely the Pepperdine and UCLA. At the end of the day who cares, yes there are schools that are just better, just go to whatever school you want, and do well there.

[HRomanus]

Consider for future posts that thevuch is an abject retard.

It's ok to insult others in order to raise your self esteem orlandipo. As perilous as your self worth must be to make statements like that I feel sorry for you.

dude, you are a 0l and he is a law school grad.

Haha damn got'em.

Vuch - I thought you weren't accepted to Emory? In any case, Emory's BigLaw score is 25.7% versus 18.4% for UGA. I misunderstood you were specifically interested in placement in Georgia because of your horrendous grammar and spacing. I don't know the percentage of those who remain in Georgia, although I've heard Atlanta BigLaw is a hard market to break into regardless the school. Emory charges typical T1 private school tuition and offers very generous scholarships; its huge COA is a result of Atlanta COL more than its tuition.

My point about school-funded positions is that it is absurd to disregard them entirely. ATL treats them like unemployment, which they are not. They are not a favorable outcome, but they are (anecdotally) a path to employment.

[thevuch]

I hear ya man. Its all my opinion I'm aware and I said to take it with a grain of salt because I chose UGA. Using your metric over 50% of those 59 grads from Emory landed in GA, 26 is a little less than 50% of 59. So on sheer numbers it would show that UGA and Emory had similar placements in GA. Now I realize Emory's may reflect student preference and I'm not assuming that those Emory grads tried GA and didn't get it so pursued big law elsewhere. That's likely not the case across the board. People could do a lot worse than Emory, just in my opinion it's not worth the money.

The school funded position thing is just an enigma, it's new and there's no data. It's a dice roll, an expensive one at that.

This amateur ad hominem stuff from orlandipo just isn't justified. That's my point. and yes I grant most 0Ls on here are stupid, and I'm not immune to it but I'm by no means an "abject retard" and being a law school grad is not synonymous with knowing what you're talking about

TBF Emory is a good school, and for the right price it can be an awesome choice. But for many who go there it may not be. I just don't think the cost/reward is justified in most cases

[thevuch]

Consider for future posts that thevuch is an abject retard.

It's ok to insult others in order to raise your self esteem orlandipo. As perilous as your self worth must be to make statements like that I feel sorry for you.

dude, you are a 0l and he is a law school grad.

Haha damn got'em.

Vuch - I thought you weren't accepted to Emory? In any case, Emory's BigLaw score is 25.7% versus 18.4% for UGA. I misunderstood you were specifically interested in placement in Georgia because of your horrendous grammar and spacing. I don't know the percentage of those who remain in Georgia, although I've heard Atlanta BigLaw is a hard market to break into regardless the school. Emory charges typical T1 private school tuition and offers very generous scholarships; its huge COA is a result of Atlanta COL more than its tuition.

My point about school-funded positions is that it is absurd to disregard them entirely. ATL treats them like unemployment, which they are not. They are not a favorable outcome, but they are (anecdotally) a path to employment.

I got 20k a year from Emory. Equalizer + 12.5 at UGA guaranteed (like you) with multiple legal ties to Macon, and one strong tie to Atlanta it was an easy call for me.


Yeah they are supposed to be a path to employment, but until we get some sort of unbiased data on it, anyone's opinion is really baseless and anecdotal and it just falls on personal opinion