Aspiring Sports Agent Going to Law School Forum

[FedFan123]

Thank you Marshall for your input, very informative and appreciative, and thanks for telling me your opinion without preaching to me about how I'm going to fail.

Thanks for the support omz You've been spot on with all of your points. Most of the people here don't seem to realize that I did my senior thesis on the rise of sports agents, so I pretty much know everything there is to know about the industry. To be honest I know more than I care to after writing a 40 page paper on the topic.

To the guy saying that a JD is not needed and is a waste of time...It might not be an absolute necessity, but to say it is a waste of time is absolutely ridiculous and simply not true.

Anyways, back on topic it seems like the NYU, Duke, and USC are running away with it in the poll. Interesting that USC has garnered so many votes. I wonder is it because of the large scholarship or also because it is known for the field, has an excellent athletic program, and is located in a great city for the industry.

[cotiger]

If you did your undergrad thesis on it and know pretty much all there is to know about the industry, then why are you asking a bunch of people who are significantly less informed for advice?

And why do you care about poll results that are even more anonymous and unsubstantiated?

I'm confused.

[A. Nony Mouse]

Thanks for the support omz You've been spot on with all of your points. Most of the people here don't seem to realize that I did my senior thesis on the rise of sports agents, so I pretty much know everything there is to know about the industry. To be honest I know more than I care to after writing a 40 page paper on the topic.

Okay, come on now. Are you really claiming that writing 40 whole pages on the rise of sports agents taught you everything there is to know about the industry today? Is that supposed to be a lot of writing?

[deebanger]

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[FedFan123]

If you did your undergrad thesis on it and know pretty much all there is to know about the industry, then why are you asking a bunch of people who are significantly less informed for advice?

And why do you care about poll results that are even more anonymous and unsubstantiated?

I'm confused.

That's the thing though. I didn't ask anybody on here for any advice other than which law school would be best for my career goal. I thought that this was Top-Law-Schools.com. All I wanted to know was which law school out of my acceptances did people think would provide me with the best chance at reaching my goal. The answer to that question never came up during my research. I didn't need any of the other input at all, which was what was so irksome.

[patogordo]

That's the thing though. I didn't ask anybody on here for any advice other than which law school would be best for my career goal. I thought that this was Top-Law-Schools.com. All I wanted to know was which law school out of my acceptances did people think would provide me with the best chance at reaching my goal. The answer to that question never came up during my research. I didn't need any of the other input at all, which was what was so irksome.

there's no such thing as a free lunch, bro.

[banjo]

I picked NYU for its big law placement. Whatever your specific interests may be today, serendipity will determine your exact career trajectory. That's the theme you'll take away from every career panel, firm reception, and interview you attend.

[cotiger]

If you did your undergrad thesis on it and know pretty much all there is to know about the industry, then why are you asking a bunch of people who are significantly less informed for advice?

And why do you care about poll results that are even more anonymous and unsubstantiated?

I'm confused.

That's the thing though. I didn't ask anybody on here for any advice other than which law school would be best for my career goal. I thought that this was Top-Law-Schools.com. All I wanted to know was which law school out of my acceptances did people think would provide me with the best chance at reaching my goal. The answer to that question never came up during my research. I didn't need any of the other input at all, which was what was so irksome.

Right, and they told you none of the above.

ps im sure you put a lot of effort into your thesis, but i promise you that it's not even close to as impressive, thorough, or all-encompassing as you think it is. while that goes for all ug theses, you surveyed an industry you've never even worked in, for christssake.

[BigZuck]

If you did your undergrad thesis on it and know pretty much all there is to know about the industry, then why are you asking a bunch of people who are significantly less informed for advice?

And why do you care about poll results that are even more anonymous and unsubstantiated?

I'm confused.

That's the thing though. I didn't ask anybody on here for any advice other than which law school would be best for my career goal. I thought that this was Top-Law-Schools.com. All I wanted to know was which law school out of my acceptances did people think would provide me with the best chance at reaching my goal. The answer to that question never came up during my research. I didn't need any of the other input at all, which was what was so irksome.

I could be wrong but I think the fact that having a law degree doesn't really help you get a job as an agent is why people didn't jump to tell you which school would be the best. There's no "best" when none of the options really make a difference.

[FedFan123]

If you did your undergrad thesis on it and know pretty much all there is to know about the industry, then why are you asking a bunch of people who are significantly less informed for advice?

And why do you care about poll results that are even more anonymous and unsubstantiated?

I'm confused.

That's the thing though. I didn't ask anybody on here for any advice other than which law school would be best for my career goal. I thought that this was Top-Law-Schools.com. All I wanted to know was which law school out of my acceptances did people think would provide me with the best chance at reaching my goal. The answer to that question never came up during my research. I didn't need any of the other input at all, which was what was so irksome.

I could be wrong but I think the fact that having a law degree doesn't really help you get a job as an agent is why people didn't jump to tell you which school would be the best. There's no "best" when none of the options really make a difference.

Well you're wrong, not sure how else to put it. Thanks for playing, come back next time.

[A. Nony Mouse]

I could be wrong but I think the fact that having a law degree doesn't really help you get a job as an agent is why people didn't jump to tell you which school would be the best. There's no "best" when none of the options really make a difference.

Well you're wrong, not sure how else to put it. Thanks for playing, come back next time.

I think he's absolutely right, actually, in that no one here believes that having a law degree helps you get a job as an agent, so don't think it matters where you go to school, so can't answer the question you posed.

[cotiger]

If you did your undergrad thesis on it and know pretty much all there is to know about the industry, then why are you asking a bunch of people who are significantly less informed for advice?

And why do you care about poll results that are even more anonymous and unsubstantiated?

I'm confused.

That's the thing though. I didn't ask anybody on here for any advice other than which law school would be best for my career goal. I thought that this was Top-Law-Schools.com. All I wanted to know was which law school out of my acceptances did people think would provide me with the best chance at reaching my goal. The answer to that question never came up during my research. I didn't need any of the other input at all, which was what was so irksome.

I could be wrong but I think the fact that having a law degree doesn't really help you get a job as an agent is why people didn't jump to tell you which school would be the best. There's no "best" when none of the options really make a difference.

Well you're wrong, not sure how else to put it. Thanks for playing, come back next time.

Again, if you know there's a "best" school, why are you asking people here?

The people who directly answered your question all said that it doesn't really matter where you go because any possible success will be due to connections and hustling ability, not the name of your law school.

[spleenworship]

Thanks for the support omz You've been spot on with all of your points.

Two things: first, have the mods checked to make sure FedFan and this omz aren't sockpuppeting?

Second, the rest of the edited post (edited for sanity) makes me call it now - fed is trolling us.

[FedFan123]

Thanks for the support omz You've been spot on with all of your points.

Two things: first, have the mods checked to make sure FedFan and this omz aren't sockpuppeting?

Second, the rest of the edited post (edited for sanity) makes me call it now - fed is trolling us.

For god's sake man, get a life! Clint would have a heart attack and die if he knew you were using him as a representation of yourself. I have better things to do with my time than make multiple accounts to agree with myself. The only one being trolled here is me, by a bunch of pretentious assholes who don't know the meaning of the expression: If you don't have anything nice to say, then don't say anything at all.

It's actually hilarious because I just opened this account today, but I have received 4 private messages of support since I posted this thread today. Here's a summary of each one of them from different people: Please don't let the people on TLS discourage you, the people on TLS are a bunch of *insert insult couple with curse word here* that take out their anger on this forum, I can't stand anyone on this website and I hope you make it as an agent.

That's what every one of these messages said. Do you people realize how disliked you are? I can count the number of people on one hand that I strongly dislike in real life, and there are more people in this forum than I have toes and fingers for that would make the cut. It's actually unbelievable that you all have managed to get me this worked up, as I am normally an EXTREMELY levelheaded guy who is nice to everyone and is friends with everyone I meet. I honestly feel bad for all of you. Please all go to one law school together. You all deserve each other.


And for the last time, having a law degree is IMMENSELY helpful to becoming a sports agent, and the VAST majority of top agents have law degrees. How can you argue against? Astonishing...

[BigZuck]

Thanks for the support omz You've been spot on with all of your points.

Two things: first, have the mods checked to make sure FedFan and this omz aren't sockpuppeting?

Second, the rest of the edited post (edited for sanity) makes me call it now - fed is trolling us.

For god's sake man, get a life! Clint would have a heart attack and die if he knew you were using him as a representation of yourself. I have better things to do with my time than make multiple accounts to agree with myself. The only one being trolled here is me, by a bunch of pretentious assholes who don't know the meaning of the expression: If you don't have anything nice to say, then don't say anything at all.

It's actually hilarious because I just opened this account today, but I have received 4 private messages of support since I posted this thread today. Here's a summary of each one of them from different people: Please don't let the people on TLS discourage you, the people on TLS are a bunch of *insert insult couple with curse word here* that take out their anger on this forum, I can't stand anyone on this website and I hope you make it as an agent.

That's what every one of these messages said. Do you people realize how disliked you are? I can count the number of people on one hand that I strongly dislike in real life, and there are more people in this forum than I have toes and fingers for that would make the cut. It's actually unbelievable that you all have managed to get me this worked up, as I am normally an EXTREMELY levelheaded guy who is nice to everyone and is friends with everyone I meet. I honestly feel bad for all of you. Please all go to one law school together. You all deserve each other.


And for the last time, having a law degree is IMMENSELY helpful to becoming a sports agent, and the VAST majority of top agents have law degrees. How can you argue against? Astonishing...

FYI-If anyone vented their pent up rage ITT, it was you

[bandenjamin]

Ok fine go to duke, usc, or virgina side those schools produce some talent and you can spend the three years trying to get to know one of them.

[lawhopeful10]

I don't know whether having a law degree is helpful for your career path, but I just hope you realize just because lots of agents have them that doesn't necessarily mean they are helpful. Correlation doesn't equal causation. It's like when people come on this site saying they want to be politicians and they know a law degree will help because lots of politicians were lawyers. The more likely explanation is those people were able to be in the upper class and lucky enough to meet important people or something similar.

[ManoftheHour]

David Stern - former NBA commissioner is an NYU law grad

Bro, do you even NBA?

David Stern is a Columbia law grad.

[snagglepuss]

Here's a sampling of the law school prestige we see amongst some of the big time agents:

Scott Boras - McGeorge (Baseball Super-Agent)
Tom Condon - Baltimore (signed Manning Bros.™)
Jeff Schwartz - Temple // Mark Steinberg - UIUC (have Tiger Woods)
Eugene Parker (master of the rookie holdout) - Valparaiso
Eric Metz - didn't go to law school but did sign JaMarcus Russell
Harvey Specter (named partner at Pearson Hardman Darby Specter) - Harvard (signed Michael Jordan [citation needed])

[cinephile]

I don't know what other people's motivations are, but I imagine most people here are just trying to help you. No one wants to see a young person with a future throw away three years of his life on a worthless endeavor. People also don't want to see you throw away hundreds of thousands of your savings (or your parents savings, or whatever funding you're getting). Use that money for a down payment on a house or save for retirement.

[cron1834]

Boras went to McGeorge! Classic.

Also, Jerry McGuire - it's unclear whether or not you have any serious preexisting ties to high-level athletics OR agencies (obvi writing an undergrad paper doesn't count). If the answer is no, then you absolutely need to work on that before you worry about law school. Picking a LS is just totally irrelevant unless you have some sort of networking advantage. Do you?

[Caesar Salad]

But again, as I posted earlier, the best and most prominent lawyers have JD's.

Yeah, that's typically how it works.

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[Turtledove]

OP: There has been a lot of unnecessary acrimony on this thread. I understand why you feel defensive but I would like to level with you.

Getting a job as a sports agent is very much about who you know. If you don't already have great contacts (ie from being a college athlete on an elite football or basketball program or from being lifelong friends with an NBA lottery pick) you're going to have to build them yourself. If you're really all-in on this, the best thing you could do would be to put off law school for now and try to find a job as a personal assistant with an agent. In that way you could learn more about the how you get clients and build contacts. You may be able to get such a job now (as a regular college graduate) but you will have a much harder time obtaining one as a JD or law student (they'll likely think you're "over-qualified" to be a personal assistant).

More generally, something that many 0Ls do not appreciate is just how fast the law school train runs once you're on it. As soon as you arrive you're thrown into the grade scrum of first year. If you don't succeed your options become much more limited so you have to put all your effort into studying. Halfway through 1L summer, the fall recruiting calendar begins. If you don't find a job through fall recruiting (which occurs immediately before your 2L) year your options narrow significantly. Because of this, almost all non-diehard PI people participate in OCI and ultimately end up at a firm. Less than a year after entering law school your path is (hopefully) already set.