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[Yukos]

There's still parts that are dangerous, though it's more block to block than whole swathes now. Still, the gentrification of Harlem is way overblow: go east of Malcolm X and it's clear you're not in Morningside Heights.

Source: I live in Harlem (the gentrified part obvi).

I've spent time in harlem. I've also spent time in dangerous areas. There's a noticeable difference

Lol ok well if you "spent time there" you're obviously an expert. I just live here, what do I know?

I think Dingbat's point is someone who is a sheltered Columbia student may think any place with multiple dark people is dangerous. While many people who have lived in places exponentially more dangerous in this country, would not consider Harlem a particularly dangerous neighborhood by comparison. You may have a different idea of what dangerous is. According to some Harlem is actually much safer than many other NYC neighborhoods:

DNAinfo.com released their New York City Crime and Safety Report yesterday, which featured surprising results from around the five boroughs.

All 69 New York City neighborhoods were scored on total per capita crime as well as types of crime: violent, rape, robbery, grand larceny, felony assault, burglary and auto theft.
Contrary to what you might expect, areas like Midtown Manhattan and Greenwich Village were rated as more dangerous than Harlem and Washington Heights.


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And my point was that it's a huge assumption to think that you know more about an area than someone who lives there.

I'm well aware that Harlem (and to an even greater extent Washington Heights) are not dangerous places in general. But there's certainly open-air drug markets and places where gangs fight over turf. It varies block to block, and I think any Harlem resident would agree.

The whole thing is ridiculous because my comment was East Palo Alto is not nearly as dangerous as parts of Harlem. I think that statement would be pretty hard to argue against (though apparently Dingbat wants to try)

[unc0mm0n1]

I've spent time in harlem. I've also spent time in dangerous areas. There's a noticeable difference

Lol ok well if you "spent time there" you're obviously an expert. I just live here, what do I know?

I think Dingbat's point is someone who is a sheltered Columbia student may think any place with multiple dark people is dangerous. While many people who have lived in places exponentially more dangerous in this country, would not consider Harlem a particularly dangerous neighborhood by comparison. You may have a different idea of what dangerous is. According to some Harlem is actually much safer than many other NYC neighborhoods:

DNAinfo.com released their New York City Crime and Safety Report yesterday, which featured surprising results from around the five boroughs.

All 69 New York City neighborhoods were scored on total per capita crime as well as types of crime: violent, rape, robbery, grand larceny, felony assault, burglary and auto theft.
Contrary to what you might expect, areas like Midtown Manhattan and Greenwich Village were rated as more dangerous than Harlem and Washington Heights.


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And my point was that it's a huge assumption to think that you know more about an area than someone who lives there.

I'm well aware that Harlem (and to an even greater extent Washington Heights) are not dangerous places in general. But there's certainly open-air drug markets and places where gangs fight over turf. It varies block to block, and I think any Harlem resident would agree.

The whole thing is ridiculous because my comment was East Palo Alto is not nearly as dangerous as parts of Harlem. I think that statement would be pretty hard to argue against (though apparently Dingbat wants to try)

I don't entirely agree with this. I know people who live in Harlem that don't leave the general area of Columbia. If you asked them about Harlem they would tell you there is a ton of gang violence. But if you asked them what are the gangs in Harlem, they don't know. They may say there are drug houses in Harlem. You ask them where and they'll say they don't know. Sometimes people live in a certain place and they have a perception that may not be true. Esp. if they are transient and are coming from a non-urban area. Their eyes can betray them. Now I never lived in Harlem (too expensive) but I did live in the Bronx and was always in Harlem. I've also lived in urban crime riddled areas for most of my life. Can I discuss the relative safety of Harlem in comparison to other areas better than someone who lives in a 3,000/ month apartment near Morningside Park? Maybe, but to dismiss someone's ability to talk about the relative danger of a neighborhood just because they don't live there seems a bit presumptuous.

[dingbat]

The whole thing is ridiculous because my comment was East Palo Alto is not nearly as dangerous as parts of Harlem. I think that statement would be pretty hard to argue against (though apparently Dingbat wants to try)

I was just saying that Harlem isn't particularly dangerous, although I guess it really depends on someone's definition of dangerous. Can't argue about East Palo Alto, which I know nothing about.

[dingbat]

I know people who live in Harlem that don't leave the general area of Columbia. If you asked them about Harlem they would tell you there is a ton of gang violence. But if you asked them what are the gangs in Harlem, they don't know. They may say there are drug houses in Harlem. You ask them where and they'll say they don't know. Sometimes people live in a certain place and they have a perception that may not be true. Esp. if they are transient and are coming from a non-urban area. Their eyes can betray them. Now I never lived in Harlem (too expensive) but I did live in the Bronx and was always in Harlem. I've also lived in urban crime riddled areas for most of my life. Can I discuss the relative safety of Harlem in comparison to other areas better than someone who lives in a 3,000/ month apartment near Morningside Park? Maybe, but to dismiss someone's ability to talk about the relative danger of a neighborhood just because they don't live there seems a bit presumptuous.

Before I moved to NY, I was always told how dangerous it was (NY in general, certain parts in particular). When I moved there I was surprised as to how wrong that was - seems a lot of it is a reputation that was garnered in the 70s and 80s that's just no longer true.
For reference, I'ved lived in an area where there were actual street walkers just down the road and every few months an area was cordoned off because another prostitute had been murdered, where junkies inhabited abandoned homes/buildings up the street, and where people tried to kill the heroin dealer living in my building.
Currently, I live in an area where crime statistics are measured in single digits (total number, not percentage) and I'm damn happy I don't need to look over my shoulder in case someone's too close by, or that I can't carry any valuables for fear of getting mugged.
As an aside, while I was more cautious walking around bed-stuy or the south bronx than I would in midtown manhattan, I didn't feel half as apprehensive as some of the places I hope I'll never go back to again

[Yukos]

I know people who live in Harlem that don't leave the general area of Columbia. If you asked them about Harlem they would tell you there is a ton of gang violence. But if you asked them what are the gangs in Harlem, they don't know. They may say there are drug houses in Harlem. You ask them where and they'll say they don't know. Sometimes people live in a certain place and they have a perception that may not be true. Esp. if they are transient and are coming from a non-urban area. Their eyes can betray them. Now I never lived in Harlem (too expensive) but I did live in the Bronx and was always in Harlem. I've also lived in urban crime riddled areas for most of my life. Can I discuss the relative safety of Harlem in comparison to other areas better than someone who lives in a 3,000/ month apartment near Morningside Park? Maybe, but to dismiss someone's ability to talk about the relative danger of a neighborhood just because they don't live there seems a bit presumptuous.

Before I moved to NY, I was always told how dangerous it was (NY in general, certain parts in particular). When I moved there I was surprised as to how wrong that was - seems a lot of it is a reputation that was garnered in the 70s and 80s that's just no longer true.
For reference, I'ved lived in an area where there were actual street walkers just down the road and every few months an area was cordoned off because another prostitute had been murdered, where junkies inhabited abandoned homes/buildings up the street, and where people tried to kill the heroin dealer living in my building.
Currently, I live in an area where crime statistics are measured in single digits (total number, not percentage) and I'm damn happy I don't need to look over my shoulder in case someone's too close by, or that I can't carry any valuables for fear of getting mugged.
As an aside, while I was more cautious walking around bed-stuy or the south bronx than I would in midtown manhattan, I didn't feel half as apprehensive as some of the places I hope I'll never go back to again

Yeah there's no comparison between old NY and now. There are still a couple legitimately dangerous parts -- East New York, South Bronx -- but in general the city is insanely safe, especially compared to Chicago (this year), St. Louis, Baltimore, etc. Again, for whatever reason we were talking about ghettos near universities and I mentioned that parts of Harlem are more dangerous than East Palo Alto (and really I was just pointing at that, to most people's surprise, there's a pretty poor area a couple miles from Stanford). Then people start acting like I live in a $3k apartment and have never set foot in Central Harlem and that's what pissed me off.

[unc0mm0n1]

I know people who live in Harlem that don't leave the general area of Columbia. If you asked them about Harlem they would tell you there is a ton of gang violence. But if you asked them what are the gangs in Harlem, they don't know. They may say there are drug houses in Harlem. You ask them where and they'll say they don't know. Sometimes people live in a certain place and they have a perception that may not be true. Esp. if they are transient and are coming from a non-urban area. Their eyes can betray them. Now I never lived in Harlem (too expensive) but I did live in the Bronx and was always in Harlem. I've also lived in urban crime riddled areas for most of my life. Can I discuss the relative safety of Harlem in comparison to other areas better than someone who lives in a 3,000/ month apartment near Morningside Park? Maybe, but to dismiss someone's ability to talk about the relative danger of a neighborhood just because they don't live there seems a bit presumptuous.

Before I moved to NY, I was always told how dangerous it was (NY in general, certain parts in particular). When I moved there I was surprised as to how wrong that was - seems a lot of it is a reputation that was garnered in the 70s and 80s that's just no longer true.
For reference, I'ved lived in an area where there were actual street walkers just down the road and every few months an area was cordoned off because another prostitute had been murdered, where junkies inhabited abandoned homes/buildings up the street, and where people tried to kill the heroin dealer living in my building.
Currently, I live in an area where crime statistics are measured in single digits (total number, not percentage) and I'm damn happy I don't need to look over my shoulder in case someone's too close by, or that I can't carry any valuables for fear of getting mugged.
As an aside, while I was more cautious walking around bed-stuy or the south bronx than I would in midtown manhattan, I didn't feel half as apprehensive as some of the places I hope I'll never go back to again

Yeah there's no comparison between old NY and now. There are still a couple legitimately dangerous parts -- East New York, South Bronx -- but in general the city is insanely safe, especially compared to Chicago (this year), St. Louis, Baltimore, etc. Again, for whatever reason we were talking about ghettos near universities and I mentioned that parts of Harlem are more dangerous than East Palo Alto (and really I was just pointing at that, to most people's surprise, there's a pretty poor area a couple miles from Stanford). Then people start acting like I live in a $3k apartment and have never set foot in Central Harlem and that's what pissed me off.

I was just giving you a hard time. Sorry I can be a jerk every now and then.

[dingbat]

Yeah there's no comparison between old NY and now. There are still a couple legitimately dangerous parts -- East New York, South Bronx -- but in general the city is insanely safe

Agreed

Then people start acting like I live in a $3k apartment and have never set foot in Central Harlem and that's what pissed me off.

nothing to do with me but i apologise anyway

[JamMasterJ]

lol at Harlem being dangerous. It's not the 80s

[unc0mm0n1]

lol at Harlem being dangerous. It's not the 80s

here we go again

[dingbat]

lol at Harlem being dangerous. It's not the 80s

here we go again

[Yukos]

lol at Harlem being dangerous. It's not the 80s

here we go again

Reminds me of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKHLMZGus3Y

[JamMasterJ]

lol at Harlem being dangerous. It's not the 80s

here we go again

oh, did I miss the resolution of this one. My b

[BlaqBella]

lol at Harlem being dangerous. It's not the 80s

+1. If Harlem is dangerous, East New York/Bushwick/Bed-Stuy are war zones.

[unc0mm0n1]

What was the point of this thread again?

[dingbat]

lol at Harlem being dangerous. It's not the 80s

+1. If Harlem is dangerous, East New York/Bushwick/Bed-Stuy are war zones.

Bed-Stuy isn't that bad, in my experience, but I haven't spent a lot of time there

[dingbat]

What was the point of this thread again?

To discuss how safe New York has become

[BlaqBella]

What was the point of this thread again?

More than likely, OP chose your law school.

[unc0mm0n1]

What was the point of this thread again?

To discuss how safe New York has become

oh yeah for some reason I thought it was to discuss who is better for International work between S & H. Glad we got that settled. New York is very safe. I lived there for a while and wasn't murdered........ so that's something.

[unc0mm0n1]

What was the point of this thread again?

More than likely, OP chose your law school.

Do we know where OP decided?

[dingbat]

What was the point of this thread again?

More than likely, OP chose your law school.

Do we know where OP decided?

Do we care?

[unc0mm0n1]

More than likely, OP chose your law school.

Do we know where OP decided?

Do we care?

Once again Dingbat makes a great point. Also I never knew what your avatar was until this weekend. My neice was looking at the Jumbies on her computer and I saw the Dingbat. I had never heard of the Jumbies, are they popular?

[dingbat]

I just typed "dingbat" into google images. I never heard of the Jumbies until now, but I'll look em up when I'm not in class

Edit: this is a damn accurate description of me (LinkRemoved)

[unc0mm0n1]

I just typed "dingbat" into google images. I never heard of the Jumbies until now, but I'll look em up when I'm not in class

Edit: this is a damn accurate description of me (LinkRemoved)

Dingbat sleeps upside down like a bat, but is always falling on his head because of his weight and his small wings are disproportionate to his body. His flight is awkward and erratic.

You sound really interesting!

[dingbat]

I just typed "dingbat" into google images. I never heard of the Jumbies until now, but I'll look em up when I'm not in class

Edit: this is a damn accurate description of me (LinkRemoved)

Dingbat sleeps upside down like a bat, but is always falling on his head because of his weight and his small wings are disproportionate to his body. His flight is awkward and erratic.

You sound really interesting!

My biography can be summed up in three letters: WTF