2013 Rankings Forum

[emkay625]

I think it is very unlikely, but it would be awesome of UT was 14 and Georgetown was 15.

[kaiser]

I think it is very unlikely, but it would be awesome of UT was 14 and Georgetown was 15.

If that happens, the universe would collapse under the weight of all the Gtown trolling that would go on here since it would be the first T14 to ever fall out of the T14, which I guess would make it no longer a T14 (yeah that sentence made me dizzy for a second as the thought went through my head).

[dixon02]

LOL people actually think Penn will catch up with NYU?

NLJ250 + AIII percentages:

Penn: 53.3 + 10.4 = 63.7%

NYU: 43.3 + 8.0 = 51.3%

Given that they are currently 3 points apart in the rankings, it might take a couple of years. NYU's only hope is that the economy picks up quickly.

In NYC, the economy has picked up, at least as far as big firm hiring goes at the top schools here (CLS and NYU). Obviously US News data isn't caught up to this most recent year of hiring (at least I assume its not), but I would expect NYU to pretty easily hold steady in the same spot.

Also a pretty huge self-selection bias going on between those two schools. The clerkship gap is nice for Penn, but using NLJ250 to compare those two schools is just silly. They attract completely different student bodies.

[ilovesf]

Hastings climbs 5 spots --- Davis loses 5 spots.

Seriously, our new Dean is doing everything he can to increase our rankings (decreasing affirmative action, decreasing class size, etc...) Officially, all of these actions are in the name of an improved education. In reality, it's to increase our ranking and get him a better job.

our class size is at like 420 this year - that is not a decrease. also our median LSAT dropped 2 points. i don't really see any significant positive movement happening.

[Guchster]

Chicago finally overtakes CLS

[JamMasterJ]

LOL people actually think Penn will catch up with NYU?

NLJ250 + AIII percentages:

Penn: 53.3 + 10.4 = 63.7%

NYU: 43.3 + 8.0 = 51.3%

Given that they are currently 3 points apart in the rankings, it might take a couple of years. NYU's only hope is that the economy picks up quickly.

In NYC, the economy has picked up, at least as far as big firm hiring goes at the top schools here (CLS and NYU). Obviously US News data isn't caught up to this most recent year of hiring (at least I assume its not), but I would expect NYU to pretty easily hold steady in the same spot.

Also a pretty huge self-selection bias going on between those two schools. The clerkship gap is nice for Penn, but using NLJ250 to compare those two schools is just silly. They attract completely different student bodies.

This is true. Also, NLJ250 numbers and IIRC, clerkship numbers, don't matter in the USNews rankings, unless you're referring to a possible change in the subjective rankings

[kapital98]

Hastings climbs 5 spots --- Davis loses 5 spots.

Seriously, our new Dean is doing everything he can to increase our rankings (decreasing affirmative action, decreasing class size, etc...) Officially, all of these actions are in the name of an improved education. In reality, it's to increase our ranking and get him a better job.

our class size is at like 420 this year - that is not a decrease. also our median LSAT dropped 2 points. i don't really see any significant positive movement happening.

I forgot about the lag effect. The rankings are based on last years data and not the incoming class of 2015. I was using projected statistics about this years acceptances.

For the sake of prediction: Davis loses 5 spots, Hastings climbs 2.

[westinghouse60]

Well Cornell is an IVY LEAGUE school so I think the lay prestige from that will move them up a few spots, right?

Also the only T14 I'm in at...

[Guchster]

Well Cornell is an IVY LEAGUE school so I think the lay prestige from that will move them up a few spots, right?

Also the only T14 I'm in at...

What's a cornell?

[larsoner]

Well Cornell is an IVY LEAGUE school so I think the lay prestige from that will move them up a few spots, right?

Also the only T14 I'm in at...

What's a cornell?

That's mean.
But I did laugh.

[thexfactor]

1. Yale
2. Harvard
3. Stanford
4. Columbia
4. Chicago
6. NYU
7. Penn
8. UVA
8. Michigan
8. Berk
11. Duke
12. Northwestern
13. Cornell
14. GULC
15. UT/ Vandy
17. UCLA/USC
19. GW UMinn
21. WUSTL
22. BU
23. ND

[TheRedMamba]

Chicago finally overtakes CLS

What has inspired this wave of chicago over cls predictions?

[banjo]

Chicago finally overtakes CLS

What has inspired this wave of chicago over cls predictions?

Increased expenditures/student due to the Rubenstein Scholarship, coupled with a GPA median increase to 3.87.

[Campagnolo]

I think it is very unlikely, but it would be awesome of UT was 14 and Georgetown was 15.

If that happens, the universe would collapse under the weight of all the Gtown trolling that would go on here since it would be the first T14 to ever fall out of the T14, which I guess would make it no longer a T14 (yeah that sentence made me dizzy for a second as the thought went through my head).

I looked at the historic rankings, and there is no other line besides at 14 you can draw below which none of the other schools have dropped. Except for at #1.

I didn't check beyond 14

[PARTY]

I looked at the historic rankings, and there is no other line besides at 14 you can draw below which none of the other schools have dropped below. Except for at #1.

I didn't check beyond 14

i see what you did there.

[AntipodeanPhil]

Also, NLJ250 numbers and IIRC, clerkship numbers, don't matter in the USNews rankings, unless you're referring to a possible change in the subjective rankings

They might not affect the rankings directly, but employment percentages do, and employment types will affect the rankings indirectly - through the subjective rankings, and because applicants care so much about employment outcomes.

Still, it might take two or three years, and if the economy improves enough it won't happen.

[westinghouse60]

Has the order of the T14 every not moved around year to year? Isn't it pretty much a given that there will be some slight movement?

[padawanphil]

gotta sell mags somehow

[minnbills]

I'm interested to see how far UIUC drops

[hung jury]

In 2012, Harvard's diluted faculty and lack of rigor finally catch up to it.

[thelawyler]

In 2012, Harvard's diluted faculty and lack of rigor finally catch up to it.

This would sell mags for sure. Or maybe US News would just lose credibility.

[Bronck]

In 2012, Harvard's diluted faculty and lack of rigor finally catch up to it.

This would sell mags for sure. Or maybe US News would just lose credibility.

Only explanation will be that Taipei is working for USNWR

[Tom Joad]

In 2012, Harvard's diluted faculty and lack of rigor finally catch up to it.

The diluted faculty part gets me every time.

[craygar]

Does the most recent NLJ250 (from a few days ago I believe, 2011 #s, 2009 OCI) data effect the new rankings?

[Bronck]

Does the most recent NLJ250 (from a few days ago I believe, 2011 #s, 2009 OCI) data effect the new rankings?

No, they don't even use NLJ numbers in their calculus.

http://www.usnews.com/education/best-gr ... ology-2012