Law School Rankings: A new perspective Forum

[Chuch]

What you've linked to is a very flawed methodology, verging on the absurd. To top it off, the data isn't even entered correctly. When was Texas ever 3rd on the NLJ survey?

that's been pointed out. are you criticizing the methodology of the NLJ survey? the vault rankings? the super lawyer rankings? all three? vault averaging the three of them? or just texas' inflated position?

[clintonius]

What you've linked to is a very flawed methodology, verging on the absurd. To top it off, the data isn't even entered correctly. When was Texas ever 3rd on the NLJ survey?

that's been pointed out. are you criticizing the methodology of the NLJ survey? the vault rankings? the super lawyer rankings? all three? vault averaging the three of them? or just texas' inflated position?

your inability to make a single statement that follows from what others have said? or to respond to legitimate criticisms leveled at the shit rankings you linked to?

[prezidentv8]

O RLY? A NEW PERSPECTIVE?!

[Bronte]

What you've linked to is a very flawed methodology, verging on the absurd. To top it off, the data isn't even entered correctly. When was Texas ever 3rd on the NLJ survey?

that's been pointed out. are you criticizing the methodology of the NLJ survey? the vault rankings? the super lawyer rankings? all three? vault averaging the three of them? or just texas' inflated position?

The NLJ survey is a well-known data set that's a useful, if flawed, proxy for biglaw placement in a broad sense. As I'm sure you know, it's an often-cited source on TLS, and its various qualities have been discussed ad nauseum. However, the NLJ survey should not be used as an overall "ranking." This is because it ignores: (1) elite firm placement, (2) public interest placement, and, most importantly, (3) clerkship placement. This is why you will see schools like Harvard and Yale lower down on the NLJ than they would be on a holistic ranking.

The super lawyer rankings have mostly been considered a joke, as has been discussed at length in this thread and others before it. There is just nothing that supports the notion that this "super lawyer" designation should be used as a method of ranking law schools. For the most part, the award is a measure of a lawyer's personal success in his field. This a very, very removed means of assessing law schools, to say the least.

The vault rankings just don't make sense. Why would you ask employers how employable students are from various schools? Why wouldn't you just ask employers how many students they hired from various schools? In other words, why not just look at the NLJ survey or create a V100 survey?

[BroCHILLOUT]

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[SplitterPride]

US News has a cultural hegemony over law school rankings and they have a superb marketing program behind them to keep it that way.

many of you neanderthals have just been CONDITIONED to think in their terms. You won't question it and take their "methodology" as wisdom from the bible.

Its quite ok. Like one delusional fellow said in this thread: anyone who doesn't have yale as #1, doesn't know what they are talking about.

[Chuch]

With the exception of the vault rankings, you seem to be confusing flaw in methodology with worth of the results. None of these purport to assess the overall quality of school. None are ranking elite firm placement, pi opportunities, or clerkships. But then neither is us news, which uses industry reputation, size of library, and bogus employment statistics. It's entirely unclear why someone deciding on a law school wouldn't be wise to supplement that data with raw nlj placement rankings, or even which school graduates the most industry leaders. And if we take vault for what it claims to be, a collection of hiring partner opinions, its also unclear why that isn't one extra piece of useful info.

[Bronte]

With the exception of the vault rankings, you seem to be confusing flaw in methodology with worth of the results. None of these purport to assess the overall quality of school. None are ranking elite firm placement, pi opportunities, or clerkships. But then neither is us news, which uses industry reputation, size of library, and bogus employment statistics. It's entirely unclear why someone deciding on a law school wouldn't be wise to supplement that data with raw nlj placement rankings, or even which school graduates the most industry leaders. And if we take vault for what it claims to be, a collection of hiring partner opinions, its also unclear why that isn't one extra piece of useful info.

You say that I confuse flaw in methodology with quality of results, but I don't. In fact, I only mention results once in that post, and it's as an aside. Each paragraph otherwise discusses nothing but methodology. Thus, I think we can dismiss this malformed criticism outright.

Second, you say "none of these purport to assess the overall quality of the school." They don't? The title of this thread is "Law School Rankings: A new perspective." This implies that these rankings are an alternative to USNews, which does purport to be a holistic ranking system of the best law schools--not for one specific thing--but overall. The "Rankings Round-up" you linked to (http://www.vault.com/wps/portal/usa/blo ... y_id=10864) purports to answer the ultimate question: "which law schools have the best employment prospects?"

Unfortunately, it completely fails at that mission, for the reasons I discussed in my previous post. It averages one decent data set that speaks to one specific area of employment (NLJ survey) with two highly flawed--for the reasons outlined above--rankings. The outcome can only be gibberish, and it is.

Finally, it is not uncommon when conducting experiments--even those that are methodologically sound in the first place--to check for the reasonableness of the results. Do you think--strictly in terms of employment prospects--that Yale is the 12th best law school in the country? Do you think Michigan is number one or number two? I'm going to Michigan, so hell, maybe I should just concede.

[BroCHILLOUT]

With the exception of the vault rankings, you seem to be confusing flaw in methodology with worth of the results. None of these purport to assess the overall quality of school. None are ranking elite firm placement, pi opportunities, or clerkships. But then neither is us news, which uses industry reputation, size of library, and bogus employment statistics. It's entirely unclear why someone deciding on a law school wouldn't be wise to supplement that data with raw nlj placement rankings, or even which school graduates the most industry leaders. And if we take vault for what it claims to be, a collection of hiring partner opinions, its also unclear why that isn't one extra piece of useful info.

You say that I confuse flaw in methodology with quality of results, but I don't. In fact, I only mention results once in that post, and it's as an aside. Each paragraph otherwise discusses nothing but methodology. Thus, I think we can dismiss this malformed criticism outright.

Second, you say "none of these purport to assess the overall quality of the school." They don't? The title of this thread is "Law School Rankings: A new perspective." This implies that these rankings are an alternative to USNews, which does purport to be a holistic ranking system of the best law schools--not for one specific thing--but overall. The "Rankings Round-up" you linked to (http://www.vault.com/wps/portal/usa/blo ... y_id=10864) purports to answer the ultimate question: "which law schools have the best employment prospects?"

Unfortunately, it completely fails at that mission, for the reasons I discussed in my previous post. It averages one decent data set that speaks to one specific area of employment (NLJ survey) with two highly flawed--for the reasons outlined above--rankings. The outcome can only be gibberish, and it is.

Finally, it is not uncommon when conducting experiments--even those that are methodologically sound in the first place--to check for the reasonableness of the results. Do you think--strictly in terms of employment prospects--that Yale is the 12th best law school in the country? Do you think Michigan is number one or number two? I'm going to Michigan, so hell, maybe I should just concede.

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[dresden doll]

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LOL at you calling anyone else a 'fail.' Your entire existence on this forum falls under the 'fail' category.

[BroCHILLOUT]