how many applications is too many?? Forum

[Barbie]

What was your prep work that was so good that you couldn't possibly improve?

Pretty sure it was 6 PT's. And she says she's just too busy to study more, yet she has time to get drunk and post on here forever.

This is my week off work

[kalvano]

I DID do some work. I took the LSAT twice. The first time was a154 then 163. I can't afford to take time off work, and I'm extremely scared that if I just put time in on the weekends it wont be enough. Doing worse possbily scares the crap outa me!

So yet again, I ask why are you on here and getting drunk instead of studying?

[Barbie]

163 was my highest PT score ever, though. eandy where are you going?

That doesn't mean you can't improve. It might seem like a lot to you, but I promise you that 6 practice tests are not that many. 1 or 2 more questions right would get you the score you need/want. You could learn, theoretically, the skills you need to get 1 or 2 more questions right in one day.

I'm going to Georgia.

I love love love UGA. I'm from Alpharetta so of course EVERYONE went to UG there. Ironically my dad went to georgia tech... hah

[Cleareyes]

I DID do some work. I took the LSAT twice. The first time was a154 then 163. I can't afford to take time off work, and I'm extremely scared that if I just put time in on the weekends it wont be enough. Doing worse possbily scares the crap outa me!

So you're scared that if you DO work you won't do better and by not really doing much work you get to preserve the potential of having done better forever and keep an excuse for yourself. You're afraid of really trying because then you might really fail.

That's an immature attitude and it will hurt you in law school.

Let me just say that I didn't work that hard 1L year, but in order to do even decently you have to work a lot harder than 6 PTs on the LSAT accounts for.

[eandy]

I DID do some work. I took the LSAT twice. The first time was a154 then 163. I can't afford to take time off work, and I'm extremely scared that if I just put time in on the weekends it wont be enough. Doing worse possbily scares the crap outa me!

So you're scared that if you DO work you won't do better and by not really doing much work you get to preserve the potential of having done better forever and keep an excuse for yourself. You're afraid of really trying because then you might really fail.

That's an immature attitude and it will hurt you in law school.

Let me just say that I didn't work that hard 1L year, but in order to do even decently you have to work a lot harder than 6 PTs on the LSAT accounts for.

This is a really good point. I say you study as hard as you can on the weekends. You have enough time if you start now. You need to prove to yourself that you can apply yourself and do something. If you don't, I fear you are going to get overwhelmed and have confidence issues to the detriment of your grade in LS.

[20160810]

If you get a fee waiver, go for it. If you're paying the $80+, then don't apply anywhere you'd never go.

Paying $12 to apply somewhere you wouldn't go still doesn't seem like it makes sense.

Then again I did apply to Santa Clara. but that was a combination of wanting to see how the LSAC system worked and wanting an EXTREME safety.

I kind of regret it.

On the other hand I don't regret my high targets. almost didn't apply to the school I am at. I would say if there's a school you want to attend and have a chance at, even relatively low (though not miniscule) it's worth popping an app to.

P.S. Retake is probably correct answer.

I applied to a T2 I didn't want to attend and ended up getting offered a full ride, which made it pretty tempting. Still didn't end up going there, but I'm glad I applied. I'd say it's worth it for people to use fee waivers and chase $$$ at a few lower-ranked schools, because you never know when your financial picture is going to change. It's worth $12 a few times over to have a plethora of options IMO.

[Cleareyes]

If you get a fee waiver, go for it. If you're paying the $80+, then don't apply anywhere you'd never go.

Paying $12 to apply somewhere you wouldn't go still doesn't seem like it makes sense.

Then again I did apply to Santa Clara. but that was a combination of wanting to see how the LSAC system worked and wanting an EXTREME safety.

I kind of regret it.

On the other hand I don't regret my high targets. almost didn't apply to the school I am at. I would say if there's a school you want to attend and have a chance at, even relatively low (though not miniscule) it's worth popping an app to.

P.S. Retake is probably correct answer.

I applied to a T2 I didn't want to attend and ended up getting offered a full ride, which made it pretty tempting. Still didn't end up going there, but I'm glad I applied. I'd say it's worth it for people to use fee waivers and chase $$$ at a few lower-ranked schools, because you never know when your financial picture is going to change. It's worth $12 a few times over to have a plethora of options IMO.

Applying somewhere you'd go with $$$ is not the same as applying somewhere you wouldn't go.

I don't advocate applying to a school you wouldn't attend.

If you might attend with $$$ then sure, plunk down your threesome between Hamilton and the Washington twins.

[Barbie]

I DID do some work. I took the LSAT twice. The first time was a154 then 163. I can't afford to take time off work, and I'm extremely scared that if I just put time in on the weekends it wont be enough. Doing worse possbily scares the crap outa me!

So you're scared that if you DO work you won't do better and by not really doing much work you get to preserve the potential of having done better forever and keep an excuse for yourself. You're afraid of really trying because then you might really fail.

That's an immature attitude and it will hurt you in law school.

Let me just say that I didn't work that hard 1L year, but in order to do even decently you have to work a lot harder than 6 PTs on the LSAT accounts for.

If I'm going to do this, and REALLY do it, I'm going to quit my job. My job exhausts me like crazy. I'm really not trying to complain, but for me: 9 hours a day m-f and 15hrs of classes is a LOT for me to handle. I can BARELY do it as is. Throw in the studying for the LSAT and it would be extreme overload. I don't want to sacrifice school bc then I wouldn't graduate from the honors prog. and thats important to me. So I'd have to quit my full time job at a law firm, in which I am learning a lot about becoming a lawyer. Idk what to do

[kalvano]

If I'm going to do this, and REALLY do it, I'm going to quit my job. My job exhausts me like crazy. I'm really not trying to complain, but for me: 9 hours a day m-f and 15hrs of classes is a LOT for me to handle. I can BARELY do it as is. Throw in the studying for the LSAT and it would be extreme overload. I don't want to sacrifice school bc then I wouldn't graduate from the honors prog. and thats important to me. So I'd have to quit my full time job at a law firm, in which I am learning a lot about becoming a lawyer. Idk what to do

How do you plan on getting through law school then?

Because it's going to be a lot more work than what you do now.

[Cleareyes]

I DID do some work. I took the LSAT twice. The first time was a154 then 163. I can't afford to take time off work, and I'm extremely scared that if I just put time in on the weekends it wont be enough. Doing worse possbily scares the crap outa me!

So you're scared that if you DO work you won't do better and by not really doing much work you get to preserve the potential of having done better forever and keep an excuse for yourself. You're afraid of really trying because then you might really fail.

That's an immature attitude and it will hurt you in law school.

Let me just say that I didn't work that hard 1L year, but in order to do even decently you have to work a lot harder than 6 PTs on the LSAT accounts for.

If I'm going to do this, and REALLY do it, I'm going to quit my job. My job exhausts me like crazy. I'm really not trying to complain, but for me: 9 hours a day m-f and 15hrs of classes is a LOT for me to handle. I can BARELY do it as is. Throw in the studying for the LSAT and it would be extreme overload. I don't want to sacrifice school bc then I wouldn't graduate from the honors prog. and thats important to me. So I'd have to quit my full time job at a law firm, in which I am learning a lot about becoming a lawyer. Idk what to do

Ask an attorney you trust at the firm what to do. Not one who has an interest in keeping you there. Experience is great, but LSAT points are more valuable. You do realize you can earn tens of THOUSANDS in scholarships with an LSAT score a few points higher, right? It's not like you'll be losing money here. LSAT studying is probably MORE profitable.

You might also ask if you can cut back to part time. Otherwise there's always the wait a year option.

I understand about being overwhelmed and I understand about being too drained to study effectively. That makes sense. And sure the LSAT seems like a stupid little test, but look at how important that stupid little test is. Imagine your life with a 168 instead of a 163. That's a 5 point improvement. EASILY achievable with some hardcore studying. Imagine life with a 170. This stupid little test could CHANGE YOUR LIFE moving forward. It needs to be treated with the respect that its impact on your life will have, not the respect that it actually deserves in a cosmic sense.

[Barbie]

If I'm going to do this, and REALLY do it, I'm going to quit my job. My job exhausts me like crazy. I'm really not trying to complain, but for me: 9 hours a day m-f and 15hrs of classes is a LOT for me to handle. I can BARELY do it as is. Throw in the studying for the LSAT and it would be extreme overload. I don't want to sacrifice school bc then I wouldn't graduate from the honors prog. and thats important to me. So I'd have to quit my full time job at a law firm, in which I am learning a lot about becoming a lawyer. Idk what to do

How do you plan on getting through law school then?

Because it's going to be a lot more work than what you do now.

I really don't think so. Including class time... thats 45 hours a week working. + at least 2 hours a day evened out of night class time, then actual HW, paper writing, thesis writing, etc.... it comes out to like... 14-15 hours a day, not including eating or anything else. Maybe I'm just abig cry baby like it seems you think, but really I can barely stay awake.

[Cleareyes]

If I'm going to do this, and REALLY do it, I'm going to quit my job. My job exhausts me like crazy. I'm really not trying to complain, but for me: 9 hours a day m-f and 15hrs of classes is a LOT for me to handle. I can BARELY do it as is. Throw in the studying for the LSAT and it would be extreme overload. I don't want to sacrifice school bc then I wouldn't graduate from the honors prog. and thats important to me. So I'd have to quit my full time job at a law firm, in which I am learning a lot about becoming a lawyer. Idk what to do

How do you plan on getting through law school then?

Because it's going to be a lot more work than what you do now.

No way. Law school is a TON less work than a full time job plus 15 hours of college courses. She won't be working full time in law school. It's not permitted.

[kalvano]

I really don't think so. Including class time... thats 45 hours a week working. + at least 2 hours a day evened out of night class time, then actual HW, paper writing, thesis writing, etc.... it comes out to like... 14-15 hours a day, not including eating or anything else. Maybe I'm just abig cry baby like it seems you think, but really I can barely stay awake.

It's a lot of work, but how much of it is actually demanding? Probably not very much, it's merely time-consuming. Law school work is both time-consuming and extremely demanding.

[Barbie]

I DID do some work. I took the LSAT twice. The first time was a154 then 163. I can't afford to take time off work, and I'm extremely scared that if I just put time in on the weekends it wont be enough. Doing worse possbily scares the crap outa me!

So you're scared that if you DO work you won't do better and by not really doing much work you get to preserve the potential of having done better forever and keep an excuse for yourself. You're afraid of really trying because then you might really fail.

That's an immature attitude and it will hurt you in law school.

Let me just say that I didn't work that hard 1L year, but in order to do even decently you have to work a lot harder than 6 PTs on the LSAT accounts for.

If I'm going to do this, and REALLY do it, I'm going to quit my job. My job exhausts me like crazy. I'm really not trying to complain, but for me: 9 hours a day m-f and 15hrs of classes is a LOT for me to handle. I can BARELY do it as is. Throw in the studying for the LSAT and it would be extreme overload. I don't want to sacrifice school bc then I wouldn't graduate from the honors prog. and thats important to me. So I'd have to quit my full time job at a law firm, in which I am learning a lot about becoming a lawyer. Idk what to do

Ask an attorney you trust at the firm what to do. Not one who has an interest in keeping you there. Experience is great, but LSAT points are more valuable. You do realize you can earn tens of THOUSANDS in scholarships with an LSAT score a few points higher, right? It's not like you'll be losing money here. LSAT studying is probably MORE profitable.

You might also ask if you can cut back to part time. Otherwise there's always the wait a year option.

I understand about being overwhelmed and I understand about being too drained to study effectively. That makes sense. And sure the LSAT seems like a stupid little test, but look at how important that stupid little test is. Imagine your life with a 168 instead of a 163. That's a 5 point improvement. EASILY achievable with some hardcore studying. Imagine life with a 170. This stupid little test could CHANGE YOUR LIFE moving forward. It needs to be treated with the respect that its impact on your life will have, not the respect that it actually deserves in a cosmic sense.

I also genuinly fear that IF i sacrifice my job (which essentially supports me...) and I don't do better, I made an awful mustake.... I guess it just scares me. I was hoping to get a 158. I never even expectred a 163 so I've never thought about doing any better..

[Cleareyes]

I really don't think so. Including class time... thats 45 hours a week working. + at least 2 hours a day evened out of night class time, then actual HW, paper writing, thesis writing, etc.... it comes out to like... 14-15 hours a day, not including eating or anything else. Maybe I'm just abig cry baby like it seems you think, but really I can barely stay awake.

It's a lot of work, but how much of it is actually demanding? Probably not very much, it's merely time-consuming. Law school work is both time-consuming and extremely demanding.

Eh.

Law students like to complain. It's really not that bad.

[beachbum]

If you get a fee waiver, go for it. If you're paying the $80+, then don't apply anywhere you'd never go.

Paying $12 to apply somewhere you wouldn't go still doesn't seem like it makes sense.

Then again I did apply to Santa Clara. but that was a combination of wanting to see how the LSAC system worked and wanting an EXTREME safety.

I kind of regret it.

On the other hand I don't regret my high targets. almost didn't apply to the school I am at. I would say if there's a school you want to attend and have a chance at, even relatively low (though not miniscule) it's worth popping an app to.

P.S. Retake is probably correct answer.

I applied to a T2 I didn't want to attend and ended up getting offered a full ride, which made it pretty tempting. Still didn't end up going there, but I'm glad I applied. I'd say it's worth it for people to use fee waivers and chase $$$ at a few lower-ranked schools, because you never know when your financial picture is going to change. It's worth $12 a few times over to have a plethora of options IMO.

Applying somewhere you'd go with $$$ is not the same as applying somewhere you wouldn't go.

I don't advocate applying to a school you wouldn't attend.

If you might attend with $$$ then sure, plunk down your threesome between Hamilton and the Washington twins.

I think the credited response is somewhere in between these two sides. In general, it's a waste of money (even $12) to apply to somewhere you wouldn't ever attend. However, it's well worth it to apply to schools you wouldn't attend that are in the range of your (real) targets. You never know when someone is gonna give you a big scholarship, and you can use this to negotiate with the schools you're actually shooting for.

[kalvano]

I really don't think so. Including class time... thats 45 hours a week working. + at least 2 hours a day evened out of night class time, then actual HW, paper writing, thesis writing, etc.... it comes out to like... 14-15 hours a day, not including eating or anything else. Maybe I'm just abig cry baby like it seems you think, but really I can barely stay awake.

It's a lot of work, but how much of it is actually demanding? Probably not very much, it's merely time-consuming. Law school work is both time-consuming and extremely demanding.

Eh.

Law students like to complain. It's really not that bad.

You're ruining my argument here.

[Cleareyes]

Ask an attorney you trust at the firm what to do. Not one who has an interest in keeping you there. Experience is great, but LSAT points are more valuable. You do realize you can earn tens of THOUSANDS in scholarships with an LSAT score a few points higher, right? It's not like you'll be losing money here. LSAT studying is probably MORE profitable.

You might also ask if you can cut back to part time. Otherwise there's always the wait a year option.

I understand about being overwhelmed and I understand about being too drained to study effectively. That makes sense. And sure the LSAT seems like a stupid little test, but look at how important that stupid little test is. Imagine your life with a 168 instead of a 163. That's a 5 point improvement. EASILY achievable with some hardcore studying. Imagine life with a 170. This stupid little test could CHANGE YOUR LIFE moving forward. It needs to be treated with the respect that its impact on your life will have, not the respect that it actually deserves in a cosmic sense.

I also genuinly fear that IF i sacrifice my job (which essentially supports me...) and I don't do better, I made an awful mustake.... I guess it just scares me. I was hoping to get a 158. I never even expectred a 163 so I've never thought about doing any better..

Then maybe take a year off between undergrad and law school? You seem kind of exhausted. A year of work might be good for you. Alternatively see if you can cut your hours back a bit. Cut 10 hours a week from work and study LSAT for 5 of those and you can at least see what you're really capable of.

It's easy to take the path you're on, but you have to think long term. If you can't study for LSAT right now, okay, okay. But that doesn't mean the answer is to accept a score far below your potential.

[Cleareyes]

Eh.

Law students like to complain. It's really not that bad.

You're ruining my argument here.

Trying to be honest and give my best advice, not bully her into doing the smart thing.

[ikari_ningen]

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[Barbie]

Ask an attorney you trust at the firm what to do. Not one who has an interest in keeping you there. Experience is great, but LSAT points are more valuable. You do realize you can earn tens of THOUSANDS in scholarships with an LSAT score a few points higher, right? It's not like you'll be losing money here. LSAT studying is probably MORE profitable.

You might also ask if you can cut back to part time. Otherwise there's always the wait a year option.

I understand about being overwhelmed and I understand about being too drained to study effectively. That makes sense. And sure the LSAT seems like a stupid little test, but look at how important that stupid little test is. Imagine your life with a 168 instead of a 163. That's a 5 point improvement. EASILY achievable with some hardcore studying. Imagine life with a 170. This stupid little test could CHANGE YOUR LIFE moving forward. It needs to be treated with the respect that its impact on your life will have, not the respect that it actually deserves in a cosmic sense.

I also genuinly fear that IF i sacrifice my job (which essentially supports me...) and I don't do better, I made an awful mustake.... I guess it just scares me. I was hoping to get a 158. I never even expectred a 163 so I've never thought about doing any better..

Then maybe take a year off between undergrad and law school? You seem kind of exhausted. A year of work might be good for you. Alternatively see if you can cut your hours back a bit. Cut 10 hours a week from work and study LSAT for 5 of those and you can at least see what you're really capable of.

It's easy to take the path you're on, but you have to think long term. If you can't study for LSAT right now, okay, okay. But that doesn't mean the answer is to accept a score far below your potential.

How do you know what your potential is? The guy at UF (my admissions advisor) told me that he thinks I got my score off of basic intelligence with an understanding of the test. He said my 154 came from basic intelligence with no idea about the test and timing restraints. He said he also wouldn't recomend a retake because he fears I wouldn't do better without spending a TON of time studying.
Idk. I really am scared, even if that is stupid. I dont want to take another year...

[ikari_ningen]

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[Cleareyes]

How do you know what your potential is? The guy at UF (my admissions advisor) told me that he thinks I got my score off of basic intelligence with an understanding of the test. He said my 154 came from basic intelligence with no idea about the test and timing restraints. He said he also wouldn't recomend a retake because he fears I wouldn't do better without spending a TON of time studying.
Idk. I really am scared, even if that is stupid. I dont want to take another year...

You learn what your potential is by doing what you can to exercise it. I can't stare deep into the eyes of your barbietar and tell you what you might get on the test. Fortunately you don't have to worry about doing worse on the ACTUAL test without the potential to do better because you can learn your potential through prep and PTs. If you start PTing in the high 160s then you know your potential is up there. If you never break 163 then you know you've maxed it. But you won't know if you don't try.

Admissions advisors are often pointless. Your 154 probably did come from basic intelligence but you also got a 163 after a few PTs so clearly 154 is not your ceiling. Who are you going to believe, your advisor or reality?

[Barbie]

How do you know what your potential is? The guy at UF (my admissions advisor) told me that he thinks I got my score off of basic intelligence with an understanding of the test. He said my 154 came from basic intelligence with no idea about the test and timing restraints. He said he also wouldn't recomend a retake because he fears I wouldn't do better without spending a TON of time studying.
Idk. I really am scared, even if that is stupid. I dont want to take another year...

You learn what your potential is by doing what you can to exercise it. I can't stare deep into the eyes of your barbietar and tell you what you might get on the test. Fortunately you don't have to worry about doing worse on the ACTUAL test without the potential to do better because you can learn your potential through prep and PTs. If you start PTing in the high 160s then you know your potential is up there. If you never break 163 then you know you've maxed it. But you won't know if you don't try.

Admissions advisors are often pointless. Your 154 probably did come from basic intelligence but you also got a 163 after a few PTs so clearly 154 is not your ceiling. Who are you going to believe, your advisor or reality?

My PT average was I think 158. But I didn't do any actualy studying outside of taking the PT. If I studied I would actually work out the questions and try to figure them out more than just practice. It would be time consuming for sure.

[Cleareyes]

How do you know what your potential is? The guy at UF (my admissions advisor) told me that he thinks I got my score off of basic intelligence with an understanding of the test. He said my 154 came from basic intelligence with no idea about the test and timing restraints. He said he also wouldn't recomend a retake because he fears I wouldn't do better without spending a TON of time studying.
Idk. I really am scared, even if that is stupid. I dont want to take another year...

You learn what your potential is by doing what you can to exercise it. I can't stare deep into the eyes of your barbietar and tell you what you might get on the test. Fortunately you don't have to worry about doing worse on the ACTUAL test without the potential to do better because you can learn your potential through prep and PTs. If you start PTing in the high 160s then you know your potential is up there. If you never break 163 then you know you've maxed it. But you won't know if you don't try.

Admissions advisors are often pointless. Your 154 probably did come from basic intelligence but you also got a 163 after a few PTs so clearly 154 is not your ceiling. Who are you going to believe, your advisor or reality?

My PT average was I think 158. But I didn't do any actualy studying outside of taking the PT. If I studied I would actually work out the questions and try to figure them out more than just practice. It would be time consuming for sure.

And you'd probably improve a lot more.

Why do you need to go this year so badly?