Take the money and Run; YS - CCNH? Forum

[IAFG]

Emu: you aren't paying sticker. Why so upset?

People are shitting on the specialness of HYS and non-biglaw legal practice. Prediction: the next 5 years will be fairly devastating to emu.

[dresden doll]

YHS sends fewer people into PI than many other t14 schools, and generally sends more people into biglaw than any other schools not named Columbia.

Or UChicago, I'd imagine.

[09042014]

Emo appears to be butthurt that I'm not butthurt about not getting into HLS. It's outrageous that I'm not jealous.

[emu42]

lol ITT emu says some careless shit, gets offended and defensive when his shit stinks, makes wildly appropriate ad hominem comments against others posters based on his unverified theories of where they may or may not have gotten into law school, then backtracks on all claims and tries to reframe the first careless shit as new shit but no one's buying it

I think now is one of those "stop while you're ahead" (and by ahead meaning, not yet banned) kind of moments

When I'm getting trashed every 5 seconds and don't have all day to respond, I can't carefully review everything I say. None of my shit stinks. And the "wildly appropriate...unverified theories" line is rich. As I said at the time, I was taking a guess as to where people got into/went to law school, and it turns out I was right! It's not an ad hom, nor is it inappropriate, when it's perfectly relevant to the discussion. Also that line is comical due to all the people making entirely unverified (and totally wrong) judgments about me.

Name one claim that has anything to do with my actual argument that I backtracked on.

And if any of what I said is a bannable offense, then LOL nice website.

People are shitting on the specialness of HYS and non-biglaw legal practice. Prediction: the next 5 years will be fairly devastating to emu.

Huh. As someone looking forward to hanging out with friends and enjoying my studies and then clerking and maybe going into biglaw or PI after that, it's going to be REALLY hard for these next five years to suck.

Emo appears to be butthurt that I'm not butthurt about not getting into HLS. It's outrageous that I'm not jealous.

What? You're definitely butthurt about something, although I'm not sure exactly what.

[beachbum]

Emu sounds like he has unrealistic expectations.

[rayiner]

So, wait, now you're going to say you never claimed he sent you an expletive-laced diatribe?

That was a joke. He did send me something, and then he deleted it, so I'm gonna guess it was pretty embarrassing.

Yeah so I'm not really sure what happened here...I don't think I'm smarter than everyone else, and having to reply to ten people at the same time has led to my words appearing wildly out of context.

My argument is thus:
-The original post is stupid because it applies to only a small subset of people choosing among law schools (people whose happiness depends solely on money and biglaw prospects)
-People can make their own decisions based on their own preferences. Desert Fox does not make our decisions nor tell us what our preferences are (as he tried to in this thread (see: original post, "money is the only thing worth going to law school for," "PI is stupid," etc.)
-People generally make choices and then argue in favor of those choices, even if they were bad choices. Thus, when the thread devolves into YHS vs. non-YHS, and 95% of people don't go to YHS, how do you think the thread is going to look?
-I'm not smarter than anyone. Chill the fuck out. I don't care what your LSAT score was, whoever said that

I'm sorry I dragged people down into this. Desert Fox comes across as someone with a chip on his shoulder (comparing himself to people he works with based on where they went to school (even if it's in the opposite direction of the usual?)? unjustified dogmatism? not a dude i'd like to hang out with.) Everyone else is cool though.

I don't see how you can say that DF's advice only applies to a small subset of people. Even at Yale, 55-60% of people end up in big law as their first non-clerkship job. I'd say that's a pretty big subset of people.

In all your posts, you fail to tackle a basic issue, which is that there are a lot less unicorn jobs than you seem to think. If that weren't true, why are so many HYS grads working big law with the rest of us shmucks?

[09042014]

Emo appears to be butthurt that I'm not butthurt about not getting into HLS. It's outrageous that I'm not jealous.

What? You're definitely butthurt about something, although I'm not sure exactly what.

235k dollars of debt after paying ~35k dollars already is why I'm butthurt.

[Cal Trask]

good god shut the hell up.

[MKC]

Huh. As someone looking forward to hanging out with friends and enjoying my studies and then clerking and maybe going into biglaw or PI after that, it's going to be REALLY hard for these next five years to suck.

LOLOLOLOLOLOL

[Cal Trask]

Huh. As someone looking forward to hanging out with friends and enjoying my studies and then clerking and maybe going into biglaw or PI after that, it's going to be REALLY hard for these next five years to suck.

LOLOLOLOLOLOL

Mark and I don't often agree but holy shit

[MKC]

Emo appears to be butthurt that I'm not butthurt about not getting into HLS. It's outrageous that I'm not jealous.

What? You're definitely butthurt about something, although I'm not sure exactly what.

235k dollars of debt after paying ~35k dollars already is why I'm butthurt.

But you have new goals now to distract you. They involve 60lbs, outkicking your coverage, and Go5hol.

[rayiner]

Huh. As someone looking forward to hanging out with friends and enjoying my studies and then clerking and maybe going into biglaw or PI after that, it's going to be REALLY hard for these next five years to suck.

To be fair, the five years of doing this was great. Its now that the five years are up and I'm facing student loans and private practice (for real, not as a pre-clerk), that shit is starting to get real.

[emu42]

Emu sounds like he has unrealistic expectations.

I just want to be happy. I'll be alright.

I don't see how you can say that DF's advice only applies to a small subset of people. Even at Yale, 55-60% of people end up in big law as their first non-clerkship job. I'd say that's a pretty big subset of people.

I already answered this. Even the people who want to do biglaw care about plenty of things besides cost. Not everyone who does biglaw wants to stay in biglaw. I have an earlier post that was plenty thorough about this.

In all your posts, you fail to tackle a basic issue, which is that there are a lot less unicorn jobs than you seem to think. If that weren't true, why are so many HYS grads working big law with the rest of us shmucks?

Because they want to work in biglaw? Because they want to pay off loans for a few years before becoming a gender equality lawyer? I don't know, plenty of reasons.

[emu42]

Huh. As someone looking forward to hanging out with friends and enjoying my studies and then clerking and maybe going into biglaw or PI after that, it's going to be REALLY hard for these next five years to suck.

LOLOLOLOLOLOL

Everyone I spoke to at ASW at my school said they were enjoying their studies. It's a lot more laidback with Harvard's grading system and the fact that everyone gets good jobs. You can go to law school and be miserable; to each his own.

[EquallyWrong]

Emu, you're not going to get the last word. Go take a cold shower. You've made some outrageous blunders.

[MKC]

Huh. As someone looking forward to hanging out with friends and enjoying my studies and then clerking and maybe going into biglaw or PI after that, it's going to be REALLY hard for these next five years to suck.

LOLOLOLOLOLOL

Everyone I spoke to at ASW at my school said they were enjoying their studies. It's a lot more laidback with Harvard's grading system and the fact that everyone gets good jobs. You can go to law school and be miserable; to each his own.

Come back after you've read a few thousand pages of case law and remind me how much fun it is.

[09042014]

Even if you start in PI or Gov, you often switch into something else. A guy I work with went to Yale, worked in Gov, but now is back in private practice.

The point of this thread is that 300k in debt is VERY real. If you are 100% sure you are going down a path where debt isn't a problem, then sure, take the debt. But the number of people who are 100% committed to PI/Gov for ten years is pretty low.

Emo seems intent on making it a HYS thing, but it's really just a debt thing. HYS aren't the only schools with LRAPs and PSLF. Debt doesn't matter if you are PI committed at NU, or even Cooley. Hell Northwestern's LRAP is arguably the most generous for someone in service level PI. It pays your loans and gives you extra money.

Just having to stay in PI for 10 years is itself a huge burden. Hell, it's probably worse than my biglaw burden.

[emu42]

Emu, you're not going to get the last word. Go take a cold shower. You've made some outrageous blunders.

Like...? The original post is dumb and the poster's follow-ups are also dumb. Whether or not I said dumb things doesn't change that.

Come back after you've read a few thousand pages of case law and remind me how much fun it is.

I took three law classes as an undergrad. It wasn't too bad. 1L is gonna suck anywhere, but it'll be fine.

[snagglepuss]

I'm a delusional 0L but I still have to lol at those dumb enough to enter this thread and declare they're a special case and how would any of you lawyers know about sticker at HYS. The essence of this thread is that so many people who think they're the exception to the "sticker is stupid" rule aren't an exception.

Lol at people like emu who decline all the advice in here by making the standards for giving advice either impossible or incredibly vague.

e.g. "If someone wants to tell me that HYS at sticker is a questionable idea, they better have (1) gone to HYS; (2) finished at the pinnacle of their class with law review; (3) secured a COA and/or SCOTUS clerkship; (4) passed on a job doing prestigious PI or government work; (5) landed a V5 firm job; and (6) possess amorphous post-biglaw career ambitions (these ambitions being those only achievable with a HYS degree whatever those may be). If someone meets these standards, I'll probably still resort to saying our situations are rather different and disregard your advice."

[A. Nony Mouse]

Emu, you're not going to get the last word. Go take a cold shower. You've made some outrageous blunders.

Like...? The original post is dumb and the poster's follow-ups are also dumb. Whether or not I said dumb things doesn't change that.

Since the only person here who doesn't think emu blundered seems to be emu, and clearly emu isn't going to accept that s/he blundered, maybe the rest of us could give up engaging them and let the thread die or move on.

(I realize that includes me.)

[rayiner]

Emu sounds like he has unrealistic expectations.

I just want to be happy. I'll be alright.

I don't see how you can say that DF's advice only applies to a small subset of people. Even at Yale, 55-60% of people end up in big law as their first non-clerkship job. I'd say that's a pretty big subset of people.

I already answered this. Even the people who want to do biglaw care about plenty of things besides cost. Not everyone who does biglaw wants to stay in biglaw. I have an earlier post that was plenty thorough about this.

In all your posts, you fail to tackle a basic issue, which is that there are a lot less unicorn jobs than you seem to think. If that weren't true, why are so many HYS grads working big law with the rest of us shmucks?

Because they want to work in biglaw? Because they want to pay off loans for a few years before becoming a gender equality lawyer? I don't know, plenty of reasons.

Nobody who wants to do something other than big law wants to do big law first. Its total and utter flame. Except for a small number of people who want to gun for partner, big law is a means to an end or a way of paying off loans. If you don't take out a bunch of loans, then there isn't any reason to do big law first. If you want to exit to something like in-house, having gone to Yale before going to Clearly versus having gone to Columbia won't help you much. Your point continues to depend on the existence of unicorn jobs that'll treat HYS grads differently than CCN grads coming from the same firm.

[09042014]

Harvard has grades.


Harvard --> Normal conversion

DS ->A+

H -> A, A-
P -> B+,B
LP -> B-, c+

[EquallyWrong]

Emu, you're not going to get the last word. Go take a cold shower. You've made some outrageous blunders.

Like...? The original post is dumb and the poster's follow-ups are also dumb. Whether or not I said dumb things doesn't change that.

Since the only person here who doesn't think emu blundered seems to be emu, and clearly emu isn't going to accept that s/he blundered, maybe the rest of us could give up engaging them and let the thread die or move on.

(I realize that includes me.)

Lol, maybe I'm weird but when I realize I'm saying dumb things I generally STFU and go bake blueberry muffins or something until my head slips free from my ass. Do you see how this is a never ending cycle? When someone else saying so called dumb things gives you the unlimited license to? Reconnect with your sense of shame, repress the memory, then go to Harvard if you want to...like I give a care...just don't come to Columbia where people are decent.

[leavingalabubba]

When I'm getting trashed every 5 seconds and don't have all day to respond, I can't carefully review everything I say. None of my shit stinks. And the "wildly appropriate...unverified theories" line is rich. As I said at the time, I was taking a guess as to where people got into/went to law school, and it turns out I was right! It's not an ad hom, nor is it inappropriate, when it's perfectly relevant to the discussion. Also that line is comical due to all the people making entirely unverified (and totally wrong) judgments about me.

Did I miss something or has the HLS selection process gotten super RiGoRoUs?

[emu42]

Lol at people like emu who decline all the advice in here by making the standards for giving advice either impossible or incredibly vague.

I'm not a special case. I'm a naive little K-JD. I'll probably end up in biglaw for a few years. I definitely blundered in this thread (by taking up arguments I couldn't win on things that didn't matter). I never denied any of this.

But I'll tell you something about how I decided on a law school. I had the option of one of HYS for a less than half scholly (need based), and full rides at three other top 10 schools. I researched all four of these schools. Harvard won out in location, clerking opportunities, and academia opportunities. It also had an amazing program in something I'm very interested in. But I was STILL going to take a full ride at one of the other three schools, until I visited. The reason I'm choosing Harvard is because the people were just more diverse in their interests, they cared about their studies more, they seemed happier. At the other schools most people seemed to have a Desert Fox mentality of "this blows, but I'll tough it out until I get my biglaw job." I had a wonderful time at Harvard's ASW and, although ASW is certainly not representative of actual law school experience, I spoke to countless current students and they all genuinely seemed like the type of people I wanted to be around.

Had I followed the advice of this thread, I may have ended up less happy for three of the most important years of my life.

I know I'll be endlessly bashed for it, but it's honestly how my visiting experience went. Different people prefer different things. Sorry.