Take the money and Run; YS - CCNH? Forum

[Theopliske8711]

We should make it a point to just ignore dipshits like emu... it would save us many pages of posting.

[sublime]

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[emu42]

Seriously? After using the words "smart enough" you're going to argue you weren't judging intelligence?

I was judging intelligence, but not relative intelligence. I said he wasn't smart enough to make my decision for me, not that I was smarter than him.

[nouseforaname123]

Seriously? After using the words "smart enough" you're going to argue you weren't judging intelligence?

I was judging intelligence, but not relative intelligence. I said he wasn't smart enough to make my decision for me, not that I was smarter than him.

Wait, you just said you were not "judging intelligence whatsoever." Now you're backtracking and admitting you were judging intelligence, on some level?

[cotiger]

General life advice: it's a bad idea to ever denigrate someone's ideas by saying that they aren't smart enough. No matter exactly what you mean by it, and no matter how stupid the person or their ideas are. Hth.

[emu42]

So, wait, now you're going to say you never claimed he sent you an expletive-laced diatribe?

That was a joke. He did send me something, and then he deleted it, so I'm gonna guess it was pretty embarrassing.

Yeah so I'm not really sure what happened here...I don't think I'm smarter than everyone else, and having to reply to ten people at the same time has led to my words appearing wildly out of context.

My argument is thus:
-The original post is stupid because it applies to only a small subset of people choosing among law schools (people whose happiness depends solely on money and biglaw prospects)
-People can make their own decisions based on their own preferences. Desert Fox does not make our decisions nor tell us what our preferences are (as he tried to in this thread (see: original post, "money is the only thing worth going to law school for," "PI is stupid," etc.)
-People generally make choices and then argue in favor of those choices, even if they were bad choices. Thus, when the thread devolves into YHS vs. non-YHS, and 95% of people don't go to YHS, how do you think the thread is going to look?
-I'm not smarter than anyone. Chill the fuck out. I don't care what your LSAT score was, whoever said that

I'm sorry I dragged people down into this. Desert Fox comes across as someone with a chip on his shoulder (comparing himself to people he works with based on where they went to school (even if it's in the opposite direction of the usual?)? unjustified dogmatism? not a dude i'd like to hang out with.) Everyone else is cool though.

[Cal Trask]

Emu seems kinda not bro-like. I don't think I'd like to chill with emu

Eta: and a little dense

[emu42]

Wait, you just said you were not "judging intelligence whatsoever." Now you're backtracking and admitting you were judging intelligence, on some level?

Okay, we can argue over semantics, but you know what I meant.

l life advice: it's a bad idea to ever denigrate someone's ideas by saying that they aren't smart enough. No matter exactly what you mean by it, and no matter how stupid the person or their ideas are. Hth.

You are correct and I apologize. But, to be fair, my ideas were denigrated long before I told them to stop telling me what to think.

[A. Nony Mouse]

So, wait, now you're going to say you never claimed he sent you an expletive-laced diatribe?

That was a joke. He did send me something, and then he deleted it, so I'm gonna guess it was pretty embarrassing.

Yeah so I'm not really sure what happened here...I don't think I'm smarter than everyone else, and having to reply to ten people at the same time has led to my words appearing wildly out of context.

My argument is thus:
-The original post is stupid because it applies to only a small subset of people choosing among law schools (people whose happiness depends solely on money and biglaw prospects)
-People can make their own decisions based on their own preferences. Desert Fox does not make our decisions nor tell us what our preferences are (as he tried to in this thread (see: original post, "money is the only thing worth going to law school for," "PI is stupid," etc.)
-People generally make choices and then argue in favor of those choices, even if they were bad choices. Thus, when the thread devolves into YHS vs. non-YHS, and 95% of people don't go to YHS, how do you think the thread is going to look?
-I'm not smarter than anyone. Chill the fuck out. I don't care what your LSAT score was, whoever said that

I'm sorry I dragged people down into this. Desert Fox comes across as someone with a chip on his shoulder (comparing himself to people he works with based on where they went to school (even if it's in the opposite direction of the usual?)? unjustified dogmatism? not a dude i'd like to hang out with.) Everyone else is cool though.

I think people understand your argument. They just don't agree with it.

[emu42]

We should make it a point to just ignore dipshits like emu... it would save us many pages of posting.

Or we could actually read what someone has to say before calling him or her a dipshit.

Stop VERBALLY ASSAULTING him!

I was attacked in multiple threads by Desert Fox for no reason other than that he disagreed with me...so yeah, I'm gonna have a little fun and egg him on a bit.

[emu42]

So, wait, now you're going to say you never claimed he sent you an expletive-laced diatribe?

That was a joke. He did send me something, and then he deleted it, so I'm gonna guess it was pretty embarrassing.

Yeah so I'm not really sure what happened here...I don't think I'm smarter than everyone else, and having to reply to ten people at the same time has led to my words appearing wildly out of context.

My argument is thus:
-The original post is stupid because it applies to only a small subset of people choosing among law schools (people whose happiness depends solely on money and biglaw prospects)
-People can make their own decisions based on their own preferences. Desert Fox does not make our decisions nor tell us what our preferences are (as he tried to in this thread (see: original post, "money is the only thing worth going to law school for," "PI is stupid," etc.)
-People generally make choices and then argue in favor of those choices, even if they were bad choices. Thus, when the thread devolves into YHS vs. non-YHS, and 95% of people don't go to YHS, how do you think the thread is going to look?
-I'm not smarter than anyone. Chill the fuck out. I don't care what your LSAT score was, whoever said that

I'm sorry I dragged people down into this. Desert Fox comes across as someone with a chip on his shoulder (comparing himself to people he works with based on where they went to school (even if it's in the opposite direction of the usual?)? unjustified dogmatism? not a dude i'd like to hang out with.) Everyone else is cool though.

I think people understand your argument. They just don't agree with it.

What don't they agree with? That they don't need someone like Desert Fox to tell them what to think?

[emu42]

Also, it's a stretch to suggest people understand my argument, when it's extremely fragmented/spread across 27 pages/interspersed with me being trashed and responding to the trashing.

[A. Nony Mouse]

Personally, I don't agree that the OP applies only to people whose happiness depends solely on money and biglaw prospects. Debt is an issue for everyone taking out loans to go to to law school, which is the majority of people. (And even if you're not taking out loans, there are a lot of other things you could do with your $300K besides pay LS tuition.)

Also, if people argue in favor of their own choices, even bad choices, that applies to you, too, no?

[emu42]

Personally, that the OP applies only to people whose happiness depends solely on money and biglaw prospects. Debt is an issue for everyone taking out loans to go to to law school, which is the majority of people. (And even if you're not taking out loans, there are a lot of other things you could do with your $300K besides pay LS tuition.)

Also, if people argue in favor of their own choices, even bad choices, that applies to you, too, no?

Yeah, it does, but OP assumes nothing else matters. You'll notice I didn't even bother responding until he OP started talking about how money is the only reason to go to law school, biglaw is the only way, etc. etc. That was what I took most issue with.

I don't want to go to a law school where everyone is using it solely as a moneymaking tool. Obviously there will be people like that everywhere, but I'd much rather spend a little extra to be with interesting people of varied goals and better resources to achieve those goals. The dumb notion that law school has to be terrible and money is everything has always made me a little upset, but if people want to think that way, I can let them. It's when those people start telling others how to think that it starts to get on my nerves.

[emu42]

Oh, and I CERTAINLY argue in favor of my own choices. But I'm not telling other people that my choices should be their choices.

[IAFG]

Personally, that the OP applies only to people whose happiness depends solely on money and biglaw prospects. Debt is an issue for everyone taking out loans to go to to law school, which is the majority of people. (And even if you're not taking out loans, there are a lot of other things you could do with your $300K besides pay LS tuition.)

Also, if people argue in favor of their own choices, even bad choices, that applies to you, too, no?

Yeah, it does, but OP assumes nothing else matters. You'll notice I didn't even bother responding until he OP started talking about how money is the only reason to go to law school, biglaw is the only way, etc. etc. That was what I took most issue with.

I don't want to go to a law school where everyone is using it solely as a moneymaking tool. Obviously there will be people like that everywhere, but I'd much rather spend a little extra to be with interesting people of varied goals and better resources to achieve those goals. The dumb notion that law school has to be terrible and money is everything has always made me a little upset, but if people want to think that way, I can let them. It's when those people start telling others how to think that it starts to get on my nerves.

You know what "professional school" means right

[A. Nony Mouse]

You'll notice I didn't even bother responding until he OP started talking about how money is the only reason to go to law school, biglaw is the only way, etc. etc. That was what I took most issue with.

Then why did you say that your argument was that the original post was stupid?

[jbagelboy]

lol ITT emu says some careless shit, gets offended and defensive when his shit stinks, makes wildly appropriate ad hominem comments against others posters based on his unverified theories of where they may or may not have gotten into law school, then backtracks on all claims and tries to reframe the first careless shit as new shit but no one's buying it

I think now is one of those "stop while you're ahead" (and by ahead meaning, not yet banned) kind of moments

[dresden doll]

0L here

What's so great about PI anyways? What kind of fulfilling save the world type of stuff do freshly minted lawyers do?

Personally it's the only reason I ever even considered law school; I knew I wanted to do nonprofit work and from what I saw at places I worked and interned I decided the legal aspect of work was most interested me.

Can include lots of things, direct client representation, gov. work, policy advocacy, fact-finding and (although this would not be for 'freshly minted lawyers') high impact litigation. I'm sure others who have gone through law school and graduated can add more in terms of what opportunities there are out there, that's just the impression I've gotten from NGO work about some possibilities.

Whether you get to do impact litigation doesn't have that much to do with whether you're freshly minted. It has to do with whether you're working for an advocacy org vs. a direct service provider.

By the way, if your goal is to feel like you're doing some tangible, direct good, choose direct service over an advocacy org.

[cotiger]

Personally, that the OP applies only to people whose happiness depends solely on money and biglaw prospects. Debt is an issue for everyone taking out loans to go to to law school, which is the majority of people. (And even if you're not taking out loans, there are a lot of other things you could do with your $300K besides pay LS tuition.)

Also, if people argue in favor of their own choices, even bad choices, that applies to you, too, no?

Yeah, it does, but OP assumes nothing else matters. You'll notice I didn't even bother responding until he OP started talking about how money is the only reason to go to law school, biglaw is the only way, etc. etc. That was what I took most issue with.

I don't want to go to a law school where everyone is using it solely as a moneymaking tool. Obviously there will be people like that everywhere, but I'd much rather spend a little extra to be with interesting people of varied goals and better resources to achieve those goals. The dumb notion that law school has to be terrible and money is everything has always made me a little upset, but if people want to think that way, I can let them. It's when those people start telling others how to think that it starts to get on my nerves.

What makes you think YHS has a significantly larger number of "interesting people with varied goals" rather than soulless money-hungry strivers compared to other top schools? Look at the ABA data. YHS sends fewer people into PI than many other t14 schools, and generally sends more people into biglaw than any other schools not named Columbia.

[quijotesca1011]

Whether you get to do impact litigation doesn't have that much to do with whether you're freshly minted. It has to do with whether you're working for an advocacy org vs. a direct service provider.

By the way, if your goal is to feel like you're doing some tangible, direct good, choose direct service over an advocacy org.

Thanks! Sorry, I had just taken that from a few threads on here that said high impact litigation was an unrealistic goal for straight out of law school.

[jbagelboy]

Personally, that the OP applies only to people whose happiness depends solely on money and biglaw prospects. Debt is an issue for everyone taking out loans to go to to law school, which is the majority of people. (And even if you're not taking out loans, there are a lot of other things you could do with your $300K besides pay LS tuition.)

Also, if people argue in favor of their own choices, even bad choices, that applies to you, too, no?

Yeah, it does, but OP assumes nothing else matters. You'll notice I didn't even bother responding until he OP started talking about how money is the only reason to go to law school, biglaw is the only way, etc. etc. That was what I took most issue with.

I don't want to go to a law school where everyone is using it solely as a moneymaking tool. Obviously there will be people like that everywhere, but I'd much rather spend a little extra to be with interesting people of varied goals and better resources to achieve those goals. The dumb notion that law school has to be terrible and money is everything has always made me a little upset, but if people want to think that way, I can let them. It's when those people start telling others how to think that it starts to get on my nerves.

What makes you think YHS has a significantly larger number of "interesting people with varied goals" rather than soulless money-hungry strivers compared to other top schools? Look at the ABA data. YHS sends fewer people into PI than many other t14 schools, and generally sends more people into biglaw than any other schools not named Columbia.

we so soul-less

[cotiger]

Personally, that the OP applies only to people whose happiness depends solely on money and biglaw prospects. Debt is an issue for everyone taking out loans to go to to law school, which is the majority of people. (And even if you're not taking out loans, there are a lot of other things you could do with your $300K besides pay LS tuition.)

Also, if people argue in favor of their own choices, even bad choices, that applies to you, too, no?

Yeah, it does, but OP assumes nothing else matters. You'll notice I didn't even bother responding until he OP started talking about how money is the only reason to go to law school, biglaw is the only way, etc. etc. That was what I took most issue with.

I don't want to go to a law school where everyone is using it solely as a moneymaking tool. Obviously there will be people like that everywhere, but I'd much rather spend a little extra to be with interesting people of varied goals and better resources to achieve those goals. The dumb notion that law school has to be terrible and money is everything has always made me a little upset, but if people want to think that way, I can let them. It's when those people start telling others how to think that it starts to get on my nerves.

What makes you think YHS has a significantly larger number of "interesting people with varied goals" rather than soulless money-hungry strivers compared to other top schools? Look at the ABA data. YHS sends fewer people into PI than many other t14 schools, and generally sends more people into biglaw than any other schools not named Columbia.

we so soul-less

The absolute worst

[dresden doll]

Thanks! Sorry, I had just taken that from a few threads on here that said high impact litigation was an unrealistic goal for straight out of law school.

TBF it's vastly easier to get a job working for a direct service provider, so it's certainly correct that impact lit is quite hard to get straight out of law school. A lot of people start with a direct service provider and gradually move into an advocacy org.

[NYSprague]

Personally, that the OP applies only to people whose happiness depends solely on money and biglaw prospects. Debt is an issue for everyone taking out loans to go to to law school, which is the majority of people. (And even if you're not taking out loans, there are a lot of other things you could do with your $300K besides pay LS tuition.)

Also, if people argue in favor of their own choices, even bad choices, that applies to you, too, no?

Yeah, it does, but OP assumes nothing else matters. You'll notice I didn't even bother responding until he OP started talking about how money is the only reason to go to law school, biglaw is the only way, etc. etc. That was what I took most issue with.

I don't want to go to a law school where everyone is using it solely as a moneymaking tool. Obviously there will be people like that everywhere, but I'd much rather spend a little extra to be with interesting people of varied goals and better resources to achieve those goals. The dumb notion that law school has to be terrible and money is everything has always made me a little upset, but if people want to think that way, I can let them. It's when those people start telling others how to think that it starts to get on my nerves.

What makes you think YHS has a significantly larger number of "interesting people with varied goals" rather than soulless money-hungry strivers compared to other top schools? Look at the ABA data. YHS sends fewer people into PI than many other t14 schools, and generally sends more people into biglaw than any other schools not named Columbia.

Emu: you aren't paying sticker. Why so upset?