Class of 2015 Employment Statistics by School: #TrustTheProcess Forum

[UVAIce]

The more I talk with my friends from law school the happier I am to not be working for a V10 NYC firm. I have my own office with a window, work on average around ~10 hours a day and I don't have to live in NYC (this, admittedly, is not a plus for a lot of people).

I also never had to live in Philadelphia or Ithaca.

[BruceWayne]

The idea that QOL is lower in NYC firms, on average, than other markets isn't really "trolling". People on here don't like to admit it but it's pretty common knowledge that it really is the worst market QOL wise by a long shot. I don't even get the vibe that DC is as bad (although I've heard it's still pretty rough). But Glasseye's assumption that the schools that place more people in NYC are less capable of putting people in secondary markets isn't necessarily correct. It's definitely false for HYS. It's almost certainly false for UChicago and Columbia. I think it's hard to really tell with the rest of the schools that place heavily into NYC.

[Glasseyes]

Yeah, my reasoning attempts to factor in the availability of access to these markets, and obviously HYS can open any door with relative ease. I know Columbia and Chicago and plenty of others can get people to DC in theory, but for all their supposed access they still don't put many butts in DC seats. To Nebby's point, I was weighting exit options and their happiness/misery ratio just as heavily as actual biglaw misery—taking a holistic view of the lifecycle of a career rather than just the first 2 tortured years—which is why I put DC up top (mainly due to the abundance of govt and NGO gigs compared to all other markets). I'll be the first to admit it's an imprecise science.

[SirArthurDayne]

Well, I think there's real value—particularly for 0Ls—in breaking the T14 down with a "misery index" that reflects quality as well as raw quantity of jobs. If we operate on the base assumption that the biglaw outcomes can be roughly ranked by aggregating happiness + prestige, the market order looks something like this: DC>>West Coast>>Chi>>Texas>>Secondary Markets>>>>>>NY. Thus we arrive at a new set of school tiers, + or - one school in either direction:

Yale/Stanford/Harvard
Virginia/Duke/Berk
Chi/NW/Mich/GULC
Columbia/NYU/Penn/Cornell

the vast majority of hls students and many of the yls students are going to ny
accepting your troll-logic, your metric would actually produce this:

Stanford/Chicago
Berkeley/Michigan/UVA
Penn/NW/Duke/Yale
NYU/Columbia/Harvard
Cornell/GULC

[jnwa]

This thread went so far down the trolling rabbit hole, i dont know whats real anymore.

[Serett]

This thread went so far down the trolling rabbit hole, i dont know whats real anymore.

GeorgeTTTTTown is ShuTTTTTer Island.

[rpupkin]

This thread went so far down the trolling rabbit hole, i dont know whats real anymore.

I think the emerging consensus--supported by the weight of the evidence--is that there's a T11 that does not include Penn, Cornell, and GULC. As for the rankings within the T11, there has indeed been a lot of trolling.

[thereelfeels]

Duquesne: http://law.duq.edu/sites/default/files/ ... ummary.pdf

BL+FC: 12.4% (18/145)
FTLTBP: 53.1% (77/145)

[usernotfound]

Cooley

http://www.cooley.edu/publicinformation ... 6FINAL.pdf

FC+BL = 9/688 (1.3%)
FTLTBP = 189/688 (27.5%)

How do the administrators of that school live with themselves?

[TLSDookie]

Cooley

http://www.cooley.edu/publicinformation ... 6FINAL.pdf

FC+BL = 9/688 (1.3%)
FTLTBP = 189/688 (27.5%)

How do the administrators of that school live with themselves?

I mean, their median is 3.0/145. I think the blame here lies just as much on the students who score below a 145 and think it's a prudent decision to attend a law school that gets 25% of their graduates law jobs, in a class size of 700. That's just willful, head in the sand, sheer, stubborn ignorance. Cooley is just proving the saying A fool and his money actually comes from something real.

[proteinshake]

Cooley

http://www.cooley.edu/publicinformation ... 6FINAL.pdf

FC+BL = 9/688 (1.3%)
FTLTBP = 189/688 (27.5%)

How do the administrators of that school live with themselves?

I mean, their median is 3.0/145. I think the blame here lies just as much on the students who score below a 145 and think it's a prudent decision to attend a law school that gets 25% of their graduates law jobs, in a class size of 700. That's just willful, head in the sand, sheer, stubborn ignorance. Cooley is just proving the saying A fool and his money actually comes from something real.

not that this take the blame away from them, but it also doesn't help that society has an "all lawyers are the same" view.

[Tiago Splitter]

Cooley

http://www.cooley.edu/publicinformation ... 6FINAL.pdf

FC+BL = 9/688 (1.3%)
FTLTBP = 189/688 (27.5%)

How do the administrators of that school live with themselves?

I mean, their median is 3.0/145. I think the blame here lies just as much on the students who score below a 145 and think it's a prudent decision to attend a law school that gets 25% of their graduates law jobs, in a class size of 700. That's just willful, head in the sand, sheer, stubborn ignorance. Cooley is just proving the saying A fool and his money actually comes from something real.

Well, we generally don't exempt the con man just because the mark was a fool. It's also not the mark's money that's being parted with.

[Tiago Splitter]

The more I talk with my friends from law school the happier I am to not be working for a V10 NYC firm. I have my own office with a window, work on average around ~10 hours a day and I don't have to live in NYC (this, admittedly, is not a plus for a lot of people).

I also never had to live in Philadelphia or Ithaca.

It's just so individualized. Really no way to know how things are going to go regardless of the market, although I suppose that if you really want your own office with a window working in the boring suburbs like I do might have some extra value.

[asdfdfdfadfas]

Cooley

http://www.cooley.edu/publicinformation ... 6FINAL.pdf

FC+BL = 9/688 (1.3%)
FTLTBP = 189/688 (27.5%)

How do the administrators of that school live with themselves?

I mean, their median is 3.0/145. I think the blame here lies just as much on the students who score below a 145 and think it's a prudent decision to attend a law school that gets 25% of their graduates law jobs, in a class size of 700. That's just willful, head in the sand, sheer, stubborn ignorance. Cooley is just proving the saying A fool and his money actually comes from something real.

Well, we generally don't exempt the con man just because the mark was a fool. It's also not the mark's money that's being parted with.

+1, but OF COURSE it's these idiots fault they are getting scammed by Cooley if you believe it isn't the government's right to tell people what they can or can't do. It's called being a responsible individual. However if it is the case that the government is some day going to have to simply write these bad loans off at the expense of the tax payer then of course these schools should be shut down. It is a drain on the productive capacity of the country and we all suffer through higher taxes which simply means you and I are getting stolen from, not the guy who attends Cooley Law.

[Serett]

Cooley

http://www.cooley.edu/publicinformation ... 6FINAL.pdf

FC+BL = 9/688 (1.3%)
FTLTBP = 189/688 (27.5%)

How do the administrators of that school live with themselves?

"At least they have less debt than they'd have at GeorgeTTTTTown."

[Paul Campos]

To be Scrupulously Fair, 22 of Cooley's 189 grads employed in FT/LT/BPR jobs are solos, so the real LST-approved percentage is 24.7%

Also I'd bet quite a few of those nine BL jobs are actually doc review.

[guynourmin]

Cooley

http://www.cooley.edu/publicinformation ... 6FINAL.pdf

FC+BL = 9/688 (1.3%)
FTLTBP = 189/688 (27.5%)

How do the administrators of that school live with themselves?

1 PT, short term solo. Just say 'unemployed'!

[mogwli]

Ladies and gentleman. Boston college with a strong showing at 41.2%! (I don't even go here and I'm happy)

http://www.bc.edu/content/dam/files/sch ... _bclaw.pdf

Numbers I got to were 102/247

Edit: Just goes to show you how much of a complete joke USNEWS is when BU is 34.6% Yet ranked well above BC. Why is BC not considered a top #20 school when it's numbers are even better than places like WashU and USC.

[tuesdayninja]

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[M13D10]

Congrats to BC!

[jnwa]

Ladies and gentleman. Boston college with a strong showing at 41.2%! (I don't even go here and I'm happy)

http://www.bc.edu/content/dam/files/sch ... _bclaw.pdf

Numbers I got to were 102/247

Edit: Just goes to show you how much of a complete joke USNEWS is when BU is 34.6% Yet ranked well above BC. Why is BC not considered a top #20 school when it's numbers are even better than places like WashU and USC.

To be fair the USnews rankings are based on last years numbers.

Also i heard BU has a tiny library. Size matters.

[Serett]

Ladies and gentleman. Boston college with a strong showing at 41.2%! (I don't even go here and I'm happy)

http://www.bc.edu/content/dam/files/sch ... _bclaw.pdf

Numbers I got to were 102/247

Edit: Just goes to show you how much of a complete joke USNEWS is when BU is 34.6% Yet ranked well above BC. Why is BC not considered a top #20 school when it's numbers are even better than places like WashU and USC.

Numbers aren't everything. If you want to see BC exposed, you need to talk to its students.

call-in

[M13D10]

In reference to post above, I am a current BC student and love it. As do many of my friends.

[Serett]

In reference to post above, I am a current BC student and love it. As do many of my friends.

Just you wait, sweet summer child.

[M13D10]

No need to knock on another school when you don't have personal experience there. Really isn't necessary and makes you sound bitter