Class of 2013 Employment Data Forum

[WokeUpInACar]

HYS
CCNP
VB
DCN
U(T)V(andy)

gg MG

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People are going to get mad at you.

Michigan and Georgetown are TTT's in decline and the sooner we get them shut down, the better.

It was a nice run for both schools but it was inevitable that eventually they would be run down by the juggernauts that are UT and Vandy.

Speaking of UT, is 18% of the class unemployed or is there a category that wasn't listed? Or do I just suck at math?

State/local clerkships and academia were not on that list.

[BigZuck]

HYS
CCNP
VB
DCN
U(T)V(andy)

gg MG

/thread

People are going to get mad at you.

Michigan and Georgetown are TTT's in decline and the sooner we get them shut down, the better.

It was a nice run for both schools but it was inevitable that eventually they would be run down by the juggernauts that are UT and Vandy.

Speaking of UT, is 18% of the class unemployed or is there a category that wasn't listed? Or do I just suck at math?

State/local clerkships and academia were not on that list.

Good call. Last year I think academia was small (like, 1 or something). Lets hope state and local clerkships is really, really high.

[Attax]

Yeah, I was just trying to get what I consider the important data that people wanted to know. Coupled with my phone dying I got what I could.

[BigZuck]

Yeah, I was just trying to get what I consider the important data that people wanted to know. Coupled with my phone dying I got what I could.

Thanks brother, it was helpful. We got the most important stuff, we can figure out the rest when they post it online.

[20141023]

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[bombaysippin]

Dude reg, those graphs are pretty cool and all, but it's also spring break man.

Hey... Everyone's got to have a hobby, right?

I fully support and love your hobby.

[Princetonlaw68]

Has GULC shrunk their class size at all in the last few years?

[haus]

Has GULC shrunk their class size at all in the last few years?

The part time program has been roughly cut in half. Not sure of the top of my head about the full time program.

[PrideandGlory1776]

HYS
CCNP
VB
DCN
U(T)V(andy)

gg MG

/thread

People are going to get mad at you.

I am so over these abbreviation monstrosities.

But if we do insist on creating them, is this really what the data suggests though? Troll or no troll, an objective person who wasn't influenced by/knew nothing about usnwr would read it as follows:

+1 on Jbagel's list --

Tier 1: Yale
Tier 2: Columbia Stanford Chicago Harvard
Tier 3: Penn Cornell NYU
Tier 4: Northwestern Virginia Berk Duke
Tier 5: Michigan
Tier 6: Texas Vandy GULC

[lunchmeat]

Anyone have the numbers for Emory? I was accepted today so I'm hoping they've improved...

[cotiger]

HYS
CCNP
VB
DCN
U(T)V(andy)

gg MG

/thread

People are going to get mad at you.

I am so over these abbreviation monstrosities.

But if we do insist on creating them, is this really what the data suggests though? Troll or no troll, an objective person who wasn't influenced by/knew nothing about usnwr would read it as follows:

+1 on Jbagel's list --

Tier 1: Yale
Tier 2: Columbia Stanford Chicago Harvard
Tier 3: Penn Cornell NYU
Tier 4: Northwestern Virginia Berk Duke
Tier 5: Michigan
Tier 6: Texas Vandy GULC

How would someone with no knowledge of usnwr have yale at number 1?

[Blessedassurance]

How would someone with no knowledge of usnwr have yale at number 1?

it's pretty funny, actually.

let's question everything! except yale...we don't know why but omg omg omg yale...#Edgy

[papercut]

Yeah by the jobs stats, without knowing about Yale's LRAP or whatever they call the program where you don't pay shit it you're not making bank, Yale could easily be in with NYU Penn UVA...

[04102014]

Cotiger, see my clever retort on the prior page.

[cotiger]

Cotiger, see my clever retort on the prior page.

Indeed, good sir!

And it can't even be because of datfedclerk bc the furd is right there with them. Guess it's just datbecomingalawprofessor game.

[star fox]

HYS
CCNP
VB
DCN
U(T)V(andy)

gg MG

/thread

People are going to get mad at you.

I am so over these abbreviation monstrosities.

But if we do insist on creating them, is this really what the data suggests though? Troll or no troll, an objective person who wasn't influenced by/knew nothing about usnwr would read it as follows:

+1 on Jbagel's list --

Tier 1: Yale
Tier 2: Columbia Stanford Chicago Harvard
Tier 3: Penn Cornell NYU
Tier 4: Northwestern Virginia Berk Duke
Tier 5: Michigan
Tier 6: Texas Vandy GULC

How would someone with no knowledge of usnwr have yale at number 1?[/quote]

Everyone from Yale ends up clerking for the Supreme Court.

[d cooper]

T14 (minus B) + Vandy/UT/UCLA would look like:

Columbia: 73.2 + 4.8 = 78%
Stanford: 48.5 + 29.4 = 77.8%
Chicago: 62.3 + 10.2 = 72.6%
Harvard: 54.5 + 17.0 = 71.5%
Penn: 59.8 + 9.3 = 69.1%
Cornell: 57.5 + 10.9 = 68.4%
NYU: 58.3 + 8.8 = 67.0%
Yale: 30.5 + 35 = 65.5%
NU: 55.6 + 7.7 = 63.4%
UVA: 50 + 12.91 = 62.91%
Duke: 51.4 + 8.7 = 60.2%
Michigan: 49.4 + 7.8 = 57.1%
GULC: 41.4 + 5.1 = 46.5%
Vanderbilt: 35.2 + 9.2 = 44.4%
Texas: 33.3 + 9.0 = 42.3%
UCLA: 32.5 + 6.9 = 39.5%

[star fox]

T14 (minus B) + Vandy/UT/UCLA would look like:

Columbia: 73.2 + 4.8 = 78%
Stanford: 48.5 + 29.4 = 77.8%
Chicago: 62.3 + 10.2 = 72.6%
Harvard: 54.5 + 17.0 = 71.5%
Penn: 59.8 + 9.3 = 69.1%
Cornell: 57.5 + 10.9 = 68.4%
NYU: 58.3 + 8.8 = 67.0%
Yale: 30.5 + 35 = 65.5%
NU: 55.6 + 7.7 = 63.4%
UVA: 50 + 12.91 = 62.91%
Duke: 51.4 + 8.7 = 60.2%
Michigan: 49.4 + 7.8 = 57.1%
GULC: 41.4 + 5.1 = 46.5%
Vanderbilt: 35.2 + 9.2 = 44.4%
Texas: 33.3 + 9.0 = 42.3%
UCLA: 32.5 + 6.9 = 39.5%

Georgetown doesn't deserve to be called elite until they stop being such a diploma mill.

[04102014]

Cotiger, see my clever retort on the prior page.

Indeed, good sir!

And it can't even be because of datfedclerk bc the furd is right there with them. Guess it's just datbecomingalawprofessor game.

Dat Furdy Furd.

[arklaw13]

T14 (minus B) + Vandy/UT/UCLA would look like:

Columbia: 73.2 + 4.8 = 78%
Stanford: 48.5 + 29.4 = 77.8%
Chicago: 62.3 + 10.2 = 72.6%
Harvard: 54.5 + 17.0 = 71.5%
Penn: 59.8 + 9.3 = 69.1%
Cornell: 57.5 + 10.9 = 68.4%
NYU: 58.3 + 8.8 = 67.0%
Yale: 30.5 + 35 = 65.5%
NU: 55.6 + 7.7 = 63.4%
UVA: 50 + 12.91 = 62.91%
Duke: 51.4 + 8.7 = 60.2%
Michigan: 49.4 + 7.8 = 57.1%
GULC: 41.4 + 5.1 = 46.5%
Vanderbilt: 35.2 + 9.2 = 44.4%
Texas: 33.3 + 9.0 = 42.3%
UCLA: 32.5 + 6.9 = 39.5%

You messed up Vandy. It's 35.9 + 9.2 = 45.1%.

[20141023]

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[Blessedassurance]

How would someone with no knowledge of usnwr have yale at number 1?

If all you're looking at is biglaw then it might not be as obvious, but if you look at the charts I posted a couple pages ago, it becomes pretty clear why Yale is #1 - it is the only school that consistently puts over 30% of it's graduating class into federal clerkships.

where do they go after the federal clerkship?

also the difference between federal clerkship numbers between yale and stanford is way smaller than the difference in biglaw numbers between the two.

furthermore, the "business" category for harvard and stanford (even discounting the jd/mba's and the fact that an mba from either H or S is way more valuable than any jd) constitutes legit outcomes. At least 1% of the H "business" category headed to McKinnsey alone (this is 3L's McKinnsey hired, not counting those who went there after graduation and 2L's summering).

either you leave the hys category alone or you ask critical questions of yale, in addition to the rest of the category. the only reason yale is number one is because of it's size, which helps it in useless metrics like spending on student, student-faculty ratio etc. if you look at the peer rankings (http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog ... -news.html), hys get the same score. H beats both in rankings by lawyers/judges etc etc.

[20141023]

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[Blessedassurance]

To make a crappy analogy, the AIII clerkships are like gold medals, and biglaw positions are like silver medals; although Stanford has a lot more silver than Yale, at the end of the day Yale still takes home more gold, and that is really what "prestige" is about anyway.

clerkships aren't gold medals. most people who do clerkships end up in biglaw anyways, where they quickly find corporate has more exit options than lit, in general, and that ability to draft a brief is only incidental to making partner.

people salivate over clerkships because the gunners before them did it, and most of their professors (at hys, in particular) always tell stories about how enjoyable their clerkships were and that everyone should do it.

[Cobretti]

I feel like this thread is way too focused on ranking schools against each other, and not focused enough on the fact that hiring is up from c/o 2012 nearly across the board... We should all be happy.