Class of 2013 Employment Data Forum

[Hrun]

Boston University Law

24.1 +2.5 = 26.61

https://www.bu.edu/law/prospective/care ... .17.14.pdf

[chuckbass]

Boston University Law

24.1 +2.5 = 26.61

https://www.bu.edu/law/prospective/care ... .17.14.pdf

BC killed them, damn.

[04102014]

Boston University Law

24.1 +2.5 = 26.61

https://www.bu.edu/law/prospective/care ... .17.14.pdf

[Otunga]

Boston University Law

24.1 +2.5 = 26.61

https://www.bu.edu/law/prospective/care ... .17.14.pdf

As a point in favor of BU, they placed 82% of their biglaw people into firms with 250+, with BC at 65%, and there's a thought out there that a lot of the 100+ jobs can be non-market salary, staff attorney gigs. That said, BC's overall advantage is tough to ignore.

[Hoosier2]

Boston University Law

24.1 +2.5 = 26.61

https://www.bu.edu/law/prospective/care ... .17.14.pdf

As a point in favor of BU, they placed 82% of their biglaw people into firms with 250+, with BC at 65%, and there's a thought out there that a lot of the 100+ jobs can be non-market salary, staff attorney gigs. That said, BC's overall advantage is tough to ignore.

Their numbers for placing into 250+ are almost identical
BC= 8+41=49/253= 19.3%
vs
BU=8+47-55/278=19.8%

[Otunga]

Boston University Law

24.1 +2.5 = 26.61

https://www.bu.edu/law/prospective/care ... .17.14.pdf

As a point in favor of BU, they placed 82% of their biglaw people into firms with 250+, with BC at 65%, and there's a thought out there that a lot of the 100+ jobs can be non-market salary, staff attorney gigs. That said, BC's overall advantage is tough to ignore.

Their numbers for placing into 250+ are almost identical
BC= 8+41=49/253= 19.3%
vs
BU=8+47-55/278=19.8%

Good point. I was just looking at a more narrow pool.

[rayiner]

Boston University Law

24.1 +2.5 = 26.61

https://www.bu.edu/law/prospective/care ... .17.14.pdf

As a point in favor of BU, they placed 82% of their biglaw people into firms with 250+, with BC at 65%, and there's a thought out there that a lot of the 100+ jobs can be non-market salary, staff attorney gigs. That said, BC's overall advantage is tough to ignore.

I don't know a single person with that sort of gig. Many of those firms are either boutiques or regional firms, but they're legit gigs.

[BigZuck]

0Ls at ASW are reporting UT at 42% (33 big law, 9 federal clerks). Data should be on the website next week some time.

[BVest]

UT, as reported from a 0L at accepted students' day.

Employment:
500+ - 91
251-500 - 23
101-250 - 12
51-100 - 7
26-50 - 9
11-25 - 18
2-10 - 35
Solo - 4
Fed clerks 34
Pi 16
Gov 35
Business and industry 28

Salary75th 160
Median - 100k
25th - 57k
Mean 106k

No denominator was reported by our intrepid correspondent. But he did report 33.33% biglaw, which would make for a denominator of 378 and numbers of 33.3% + 9.0%, for 42.3% 101+ and fed. (I also ran it with 2012 class size, which was was 373 and would make this 33.8% + 9.1% = 42.9%, so the 378 number is probably right.)

ETA: I know Zuck beat me, but thought I'd share the numbers anyway.

ETA2: For comparison, 2012 were 26.8+8.3=35.1%

[logicspeaks]

Georgetown is getting worried...

[JCougar]

Georgetown is getting worried...

I would be worried if I were Georgetown. Their law school does not have a very large endowment per student compared to the rest of the T14 (or even the rest of the T20). There's simply no way they can keep up scholarship-wise with everyone else in an environment where sticker is merely an inflated price point that is almost universally discounted to make people feel like they're getting a better deal than they actually are. You'd think they'd be able to take advantage of economies of scale due to their size, but it's just not translating into discounts. Their median will drop to 167 this year...down from 170 a few years ago. And their placement coupled with rising tuition in no way justifies sticker there. If the legal market continues the way it does, I think it's only a matter of time before someone like Texas or Vandy overtakes them. I'd say UCLA, too, but the CA economy might hold them back (plus the fact that UCI will be drawing applicants away).

[d cooper]

Georgetown is getting worried...

Although the 101+ and FedClerk numbers are almost identical, there is still a lead for GULC in terms of the prestige of those firm positions, as evidenced by the percent of the class going to 501+ firms.

GULC: 32.558%
Vanderbilt: 20.388%
Texas: 24.074%

[BVest]

Georgetown is getting worried...

Although the 101+ and FedClerk numbers are almost identical, there is still a lead for GULC in terms of the prestige of those firm positions, as evidenced by the percent of the class going to 501+ firms.

GULC: 32.558%
Vanderbilt: 20.388%
Texas: 24.074%

But if your concern is prestige, you need to include clerkships:

GULC 37.7
Texas 33.2

[BigZuck]

HYS
CCNP
VB
DCN
U(T)V(andy)

gg MG

/thread

[04102014]

HYS
CCNP
VB
DCN
U(T)V(andy)

gg MG

/thread

People are going to get mad at you.

[DrStudMuffin]

HYS
CCNP
VB
DCN
U(T)V(andy)

gg MG

/thread

I'm 99% sure you're joking/trolling, but if not my response would be:

Lolwut? 57.1% (M) >> 42.3% (UT)

G you may do with as you please.

[Attax]

Will confirm 378 for UT class size.

[jbagelboy]

HYS
CCNP
VB
DCN
U(T)V(andy)

gg MG

/thread

People are going to get mad at you.

I am so over these abbreviation monstrosities.

But if we do insist on creating them, is this really what the data suggests though? Troll or no troll, an objective person who wasn't influenced by/knew nothing about usnwr would read it as follows:

Y
CSCH
PCN
NVBD
M
UVG

[arklaw13]

Georgetown is getting worried...

Although the 101+ and FedClerk numbers are almost identical, there is still a lead for GULC in terms of the prestige of those firm positions, as evidenced by the percent of the class going to 501+ firms.

GULC: 32.558%
Vanderbilt: 20.388%
Texas: 24.074%

You have to take into account the regional markets that Vandy students self-select into, though. Birmingham has plenty of good firms and none are 501+ other than Baker Donelson. Bradley Arant only has 200 attorneys but is much stronger in B'ham. Baker is also the only TN firm that is over 500, but is not as highly regarded as Bass Berry, which has less than 250 lawyers. If you can land a job at Bass Berry, you can get a job at a 501+ NYC firm. The reverse isn't necessarily true, though.

I am, of course, drinking the Vandy kool-aid, but the fact remains that GULC (and probably UT) students are much more likely to be seeking jobs at 501+ firms than Vandy students.

[chuckbass]

I'm interested to see if GW increased like it's peers...

[04102014]

HYS
CCNP
VB
DCN
U(T)V(andy)

gg MG

/thread

People are going to get mad at you.

I am so over these abbreviation monstrosities.

But if we do insist on creating them, is this really what the data suggests though? Troll or no troll, an objective person who wasn't influenced by/knew nothing about usnwr would read it as follows:

Y
CSCH
PCNY
NVBD
M
UVG

fixed

[rpupkin]

But if we do insist on creating them, is this really what the data suggests though? Troll or no troll, an objective person who wasn't influenced by/knew nothing about usnwr would read it as follows ignore the data and have a drink.

[aboutmydaylight]

Someone needs to cluster analysis with employment data so we can figure out what the REAL tiers are.

[BigZuck]

HYS
CCNP
VB
DCN
U(T)V(andy)

gg MG

/thread

People are going to get mad at you.

Michigan and Georgetown are TTT's in decline and the sooner we get them shut down, the better.

It was a nice run for both schools but it was inevitable that eventually they would be run down by the juggernauts that are UT and Vandy.

Speaking of UT, is 18% of the class unemployed or is there a category that wasn't listed? Or do I just suck at math?

[Otunga]

Boston University Law

24.1 +2.5 = 26.61

https://www.bu.edu/law/prospective/care ... .17.14.pdf

As a point in favor of BU, they placed 82% of their biglaw people into firms with 250+, with BC at 65%, and there's a thought out there that a lot of the 100+ jobs can be non-market salary, staff attorney gigs. That said, BC's overall advantage is tough to ignore.

I don't know a single person with that sort of gig. Many of those firms are either boutiques or regional firms, but they're legit gigs.

Hm. Paul Campos suggested here the other day that these jobs can account for a lot of the 100+ placement, but the belief appears to be that it's more prominent the lower the rank of the school.