2013 Rankings Forum

[Bronck]

Detailed Michigan Info anyone?

Look back like three pages ago dude.

assessment scores?

Mich assessment scores:
Peer assessment score (out of 5) 4.5
Assessment score by lawyers/judges (out of 5) 4.6

[moneybagsphd]

Wustl got pwned

For being the only school in our range to report employment data according to new ABA standards. USNWR doesn't give a shit about vetting that process. We knew we were gonna fall, and I'm glad we did for all the right reasons. Our stats may still be inflated a bit, but we are doing the right thing and moving in the right direction. This has zero impact on the school or our hiring, and once the ABA cracks the whip on everyone else we will be back up to where we belong.

And I think I speak for everyone at the school on this one. No one is losing any sleep over it and we all understand and appreciate the reason for the drop.

If anything, it just makes USNWR rankings more tangibly irrelevant.

[romothesavior]

need some info on WUSTL

WUSTL
Score 69
Peer assessment score (out of 5) 3.7
Assessment score by lawyers/judges (out of 5) 4.1
GPA (25th-75th percentile) 3.22-3.8
Median undergraduate GPA for all program entrants 3.66
LSAT scores (25th-75th percentile) 162-169
Median LSAT score for all program entrants 168
Graduates known to be employed nine months after graduation 80.7%

lol

Pretty hard to be competitive when other schools aren't playing on the same field as you. See my above post for why this drop occurred.

[JDizzle2015]

Can someone find the average rankings of the T-14 over the past 10 years (or something similar)? I know i've seen something like that floating around, can't find it though.

I think this is it:

http://www.prelawhandbook.com/law_schoo ... 00_present

[moneybagsphd]

Detailed Michigan Info anyone?

Look back like three pages ago dude.

assessment scores?

Mich assessment scores:
Peer assessment score (out of 5) 4.5
Assessment score by lawyers/judges (out of 5) 4.6

Thanks!

[rad lulz]

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[splittinghairs]

Wustl got pwned

For being the only school in our range to report employment data according to new ABA standards. USNWR doesn't give a shit about vetting that process. We knew we were gonna fall, and I'm glad we did for all the right reasons. Our stats may still be inflated a bit, but we are doing the right thing and moving in the right direction. This has zero impact on the school or our hiring, and once the ABA cracks the whip on everyone else we will be back up to where we belong.

And I think I speak for everyone at the school on this one. No one is losing any sleep over it and we all understand and appreciate the reason for the drop.

Do you mind explaining how exactly WUSTL reported their data according to new standards? Did they exclude part-time, school paid jobs?

[TLS_noobie]

need some info on WUSTL

WUSTL
Score 69
Peer assessment score (out of 5) 3.7
Assessment score by lawyers/judges (out of 5) 4.1
GPA (25th-75th percentile) 3.22-3.8
Median undergraduate GPA for all program entrants 3.66
LSAT scores (25th-75th percentile) 162-169
Median LSAT score for all program entrants 168
Graduates known to be employed nine months after graduation 80.7%

lol

Pretty hard to be competitive when other schools aren't playing on the same field as you. See my above post for why this drop occurred.

Any clue as to what other schools following the new convention? Some of these drops seem strange, including WUSLT's....

[danquayle]

Bronck (and others?) thanks for all the posting. See you next year TLS.

[Richie Tenenbaum]

Can someone find the average rankings of the T-14 over the past 10 years (or something similar)? I know i've seen something like that floating around, can't find it though.

This site has rankings history- http://www.prelawhandbook.com/law_schoo ... 00_present

Thought this particular page was interesting: http://www.prelawhandbook.com/2012_top_25_law_schools
(Takeaway for admissions deans--if you're not improving your raw score, you will probably drop in rank.)

[Bronck]

UNLV and ASU please.

ASU:
Score 67
Peer assessment score (out of 5) 3.1
Assessment score by lawyers/judges (out of 5) 3.5
GPA (25th-75th percentile) 3.43-3.77
Median undergraduate GPA for all program entrants 3.62
LSAT scores (25th-75th percentile) 160-165
Median LSAT score for all program entrants 162
Graduates known to be employed nine months after graduation 98.2%

UNLV:
Score 47
Peer assessment score (out of 5) 2.3
Assessment score by lawyers/judges (out of 5) 2.6
GPA (25th-75th percentile) 3.12-3.64
Median undergraduate GPA for all program entrants 3.39
LSAT scores (25th-75th percentile) 157-161
Median LSAT score for all program entrants 159
Graduates known to be employed nine months after graduation 93.2%

[reformed calvinist]

lol at GW (56%) and Emory having below 60% employment rates and being ranked well above Fordham, BU, BC. What the hell are these rankings supposed to measure anyway?

My thoughts exactly!!

They measure a school's ability to do well at USNWR rankings.

Yeah. I thought my flirtations with dropping out had passed, but this just rekindled them.

[chup]

Merging this stupid thread with the other stupid thread.

[TTRansfer]

No...it is because of their crap websites obviously...

BC has such a nice viewbook, though. Guess the rankings just do not care about such things.

[jk2011]

how will this affect Cornell's nyc biglaw placement...?

By asking this question you've proven yourself too stupid to finish above median. So worry not my friend.

And by your response, you have proven yourself too stupid to recognize obvious sarcasm... my friend.

I don't think you guys are really friends....

[071816]

Wustl got pwned

For being the only school in our range to report employment data according to new ABA standards. USNWR doesn't give a shit about vetting that process. We knew we were gonna fall, and I'm glad we did for all the right reasons. Our stats may still be inflated a bit, but we are doing the right thing and moving in the right direction. This has zero impact on the school or our hiring, and once the ABA cracks the whip on everyone else we will be back up to where we belong.

And I think I speak for everyone at the school on this one. No one is losing any sleep over it and we all understand and appreciate the reason for the drop.

Yea. The rankings are pretty much a complete joke anyway because they basically just measure a school's ability to game the rankings.

[llachans]

Could someone be so kind to PM me the graduates after 9 months who are employed for:

Iowa
MSU
Drake
U Oregon
Lewis & Clark

I would truly appreciate it. I don't have an account for the Law School Compass thing and I can only see the schools and how they were ranked. The other boxes are empty.

[Edit: Already taken care of. Bronck is awesome.]

[Bronck]

Wustl got pwned

For being the only school in our range to report employment data according to new ABA standards. USNWR doesn't give a shit about vetting that process. We knew we were gonna fall, and I'm glad we did for all the right reasons. Our stats may still be inflated a bit, but we are doing the right thing and moving in the right direction. This has zero impact on the school or our hiring, and once the ABA cracks the whip on everyone else we will be back up to where we belong.

And I think I speak for everyone at the school on this one. No one is losing any sleep over it and we all understand and appreciate the reason for the drop.

Yea. The rankings are pretty much a complete joke anyway because they basically just measure a school's ability to game the rankings.

Pretty much this

[ph14]

Can someone find the average rankings of the T-14 over the past 10 years (or something similar)? I know i've seen something like that floating around, can't find it though.

This site has rankings history- http://www.prelawhandbook.com/law_schoo ... 00_present

Thought this particular page was interesting: http://www.prelawhandbook.com/2012_top_25_law_schools
(Takeaway for admissions deans--if you're not improving your raw score, you will probably drop in rank.)

Thanks (and to the other poster who shared it). Is there an updated one floating out there? But basically it looks like SLS and HLS are pretty much both hovering around 2.5 over the last decade or so.

[Jaeger]

While I understand the silliness of a lot of the things that USNWR ranks (or uses to formulate the rankings), does everyone here think that law schools should be ranked solely by employment numbers? Sure, that's important, but that doesn't always tell the whole story.

[Gail]

emory stud11 or whatever probably rolling in buckets of coca-cola and money now. buckets of it.

[ph14]

Wustl got pwned

For being the only school in our range to report employment data according to new ABA standards. USNWR doesn't give a shit about vetting that process. We knew we were gonna fall, and I'm glad we did for all the right reasons. Our stats may still be inflated a bit, but we are doing the right thing and moving in the right direction. This has zero impact on the school or our hiring, and once the ABA cracks the whip on everyone else we will be back up to where we belong.

And I think I speak for everyone at the school on this one. No one is losing any sleep over it and we all understand and appreciate the reason for the drop.

Yea. The rankings are pretty much a complete joke anyway because they basically just measure a school's ability to game the rankings.

Pretty much this

I think gaming the rankings is its own category now.

[debtsucks]

lol at mich and its desperate tls white knights

[ph14]

While I understand the silliness of a lot of the things that USNWR ranks (or uses to formulate the rankings), does everyone here think that law schools should be ranked solely by employment numbers? Sure, that's important, but that doesn't always tell the whole story.

No one is advocating that. I think people are advocating more sensible ranking methodology with increased transparency and less gaming the rankings/fudging data.

[romothesavior]

I love how like almos all schools report 90+% employing at 9 months. Lol, just lol.

This is the thing. The ABA created new rules and no one followed them. Our school did because our dean is like ABA chair elect of the law school division or something, so we're at 80%. Our peers conveniently missed the memo about the new standards and continue to report 95%+. All of our data is the same or better than 2011, but we dropped 5 spots because we followed new protocol.

USNWR and the ABA suck. Thankfully this rankings shit is meaningless.