Class of 2016 Employment Statistics by School Forum

[amta]

Nebby, if you buy enough CLS sweatshirts maybe the money will go towards hiring a fed clerkship adviser for Columbia.

[curry1]

Chicago left Columbia in the dust in the USNWR rankings and is at the top of the list for employment.

UT displaced the George-whatever Law CenTTTer in USNWR and Vandy's employment stats are probably better than Berzerkeley's.

This Southerner => Chicagoan => Texan is pleased.

You can't be all three of these. Chicago left no one in the dust in USNWR. You're using "employment" in a meaningless sense.

Sorry Columbia has fallen on hard times dude. Darkest just before the dawn, etc. Of course, dawn still probably won't be enough to break back into the HYSC tier.

very excited about Chicago's newfound T4 status. Maybe eventually it will be YSC

[Nebby]

Chicago left Columbia in the dust in the USNWR rankings and is at the top of the list for employment.

UT displaced the George-whatever Law CenTTTer in USNWR and Vandy's employment stats are probably better than Berzerkeley's.

This Southerner => Chicagoan => Texan is pleased.

You can't be all three of these. Chicago left no one in the dust in USNWR. You're using "employment" in a meaningless sense.

Sorry Columbia has fallen on hard times dude. Darkest just before the dawn, etc. Of course, dawn still probably won't be enough to break back into the HYSC tier.

Doesn't change the fact that you're using employment in a meaningless way

[star fox]

I think GULC is out? Screams "Preliminary" everywhere though

https://www.law.georgetown.edu/careers/ ... mary-2.pdf

301 BL + 35 FC with 652 total students = 51.5%

First time it's been above 50% since the ABA started tracking.

still a sinking ttt being outplaced by a regional school in Tennessee

Vandy's always been pretty strong though. From the 2005 stuff, it looks like it was on par with Boalt for NLJ250 stats.

Like Vandy, it seems like GULC actually improved in raw numbers rather than just shrinking its denominator here. It's about 33 more people landing BL+FC than the past 3 years. Kinda odd that we're seeing T13s saturating around the 70s while the lower ranked schools are starting to boost numbers.

There's always going to be a limit in TLS defined placement. There will always be ~10% of the class at almost any t14 who doesn't want to do biglaw and prefers gov or pi. and firms are not going to hire people that are identifiably the bottom of the class (except maybe at HYS)

That's because HYS doesn't do really grades. Particularly Yale where everyone just Passes and looks the same, but at Harvard and Stanford it's either or , so straight and you're still good. Back before the raise, P's Get 160s held (it doesn't rhyme anymore so the whole thing is ruined).

[cannibal ox]

Back before the raise, P's Get 160s held (it doesn't rhyme anymore so the whole thing is ruined).

Straight P's get 180 G's

[curry1]

I think GULC is out? Screams "Preliminary" everywhere though

https://www.law.georgetown.edu/careers/ ... mary-2.pdf

301 BL + 35 FC with 652 total students = 51.5%

First time it's been above 50% since the ABA started tracking.

still a sinking ttt being outplaced by a regional school in Tennessee

Vandy's always been pretty strong though. From the 2005 stuff, it looks like it was on par with Boalt for NLJ250 stats.

Like Vandy, it seems like GULC actually improved in raw numbers rather than just shrinking its denominator here. It's about 33 more people landing BL+FC than the past 3 years. Kinda odd that we're seeing T13s saturating around the 70s while the lower ranked schools are starting to boost numbers.

There's always going to be a limit in TLS defined placement. There will always be ~10% of the class at almost any t14 who doesn't want to do biglaw and prefers gov or pi. and firms are not going to hire people that are identifiably the bottom of the class (except maybe at HYS)

That's because HYS doesn't do really grades. Particularly Yale where everyone just Passes and looks the same, but at Harvard and Stanford it's either or , so straight and you're still good. Back before the raise, P's Get 160s held (it doesn't rhyme anymore so the whole thing is ruined).

Yeah, but H does LP's which people do get so I'm sure there are a few people in the class who are clearly at rock bottom (given its gargantuan class size). YS definitely know what they're doing in terms of just H/P.

[star fox]

Back before the raise, P's Get 160s held (it doesn't rhyme anymore so the whole thing is ruined).

Straight P's get 180 G's

Checks out.

[Thomas Hagan, ESQ.]

I think GULC is out? Screams "Preliminary" everywhere though

https://www.law.georgetown.edu/careers/ ... mary-2.pdf

301 BL + 35 FC with 652 total students = 51.5%

First time it's been above 50% since the ABA started tracking.

still a sinking ttt being outplaced by a regional school in Tennessee

Calm down there, I wouldn't call it a regional school hahah

[Tiago Splitter]

I think GULC is out? Screams "Preliminary" everywhere though

https://www.law.georgetown.edu/careers/ ... mary-2.pdf

301 BL + 35 FC with 652 total students = 51.5%

First time it's been above 50% since the ABA started tracking.

still a sinking ttt being outplaced by a regional school in Tennessee

Vandy's always been pretty strong though. From the 2005 stuff, it looks like it was on par with Boalt for NLJ250 stats.

Like Vandy, it seems like GULC actually improved in raw numbers rather than just shrinking its denominator here. It's about 33 more people landing BL+FC than the past 3 years. Kinda odd that we're seeing T13s saturating around the 70s while the lower ranked schools are starting to boost numbers.

There's always going to be a limit in TLS defined placement. There will always be ~10% of the class at almost any t14 who doesn't want to do biglaw and prefers gov or pi. and firms are not going to hire people that are identifiably the bottom of the class (except maybe at HYS)

That's because HYS doesn't do really grades. Particularly Yale where everyone just Passes and looks the same, but at Harvard and Stanford it's either or , so straight and you're still good. Back before the raise, P's Get 160s held (it doesn't rhyme anymore so the whole thing is ruined).

I thought it was straight P's get 160 G's so as to allow for raises.

[RedPurpleBlue]

Nebby, if you buy enough CLS sweatshirts maybe the money will go towards hiring a fed clerkship adviser for Columbia.

I doubt Columbia has a problem getting Fed Clerks due to poor advising. I don't think any of the T13 have serious problems getting Fed Clerks from advising or inability to place their good students. It's likely that the kids who choose Columbia, like the kids who choose to go to NU, are more focused on BL transactional and have no desire to clerk.

People who want to clerk are going to pick schools with high clerkship numbers. Those schools will then have high clerk number when those kids graduate and get jobs, and then students who want to clerk in later cycles will pick them. A lot of it is a self-fulfilling prophecy. If a school like Duke, which hasn't gone up in quality drastically in the past year (if it has at all), can increase their clerkship numbers from ~7-8% to ~15%, then it's pretty likely that clerkship numbers at T13 are heavily reliant on self-selection. At T13s with lower clerk numbers, we see these occasional spikes and then subsequent falls to normal levels. And at T13s with high clerk numbers, we see consistently high numbers with less variable spikes. Like I said, that all screams self-selection and seemingly random variance to me.

[gilmoregirlrevival]

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[grades??]

Nebby, if you buy enough CLS sweatshirts maybe the money will go towards hiring a fed clerkship adviser for Columbia.

I doubt Columbia has a problem getting Fed Clerks due to poor advising. I don't think any of the T13 have serious problems getting Fed Clerks from advising or inability to place their good students. It's likely that the kids who choose Columbia, like the kids who choose to go to NU, are more focused on BL transactional and have no desire to clerk.

People who want to clerk are going to pick schools with high clerkship numbers. Those schools will then have high clerk number when those kids graduate and get jobs, and then students who want to clerk in later cycles will pick them. A lot of it is a self-fulfilling prophecy. If a school like Duke, which hasn't gone up in quality drastically in the past year (if it has at all), can increase their clerkship numbers from ~7-8% to ~15%, then it's pretty likely that clerkship numbers at T13 are heavily reliant on self-selection. At T13s with lower clerk numbers, we see these occasional spikes and then subsequent falls to normal levels. And at T13s with high clerk numbers, we see consistently high numbers with less variable spikes. Like I said, that all screams self-selection and seemingly random variance to me.

For Duke however, I think the new norm will be the 15%+ numbers. This was the first data set with our new clerkship staff at Duke. They have really turned it around. Before, if you wanted to clerk, it was essentially on you. Now, Duke has multiple full time staff working purely on clerkships for students. So I think in that way its not self-selection. I know a bunch of people who wanted to clerk but couldn't get help with the process with the administration before the new clerkship staff took over. It is night and day. It is institutional support that can make a real significant difference in clerkship numbers.

[cannibal ox]

Jesus, I was trolling Nebby. Can we not start this stupid CLS/clerking defense again?

[star fox]

I think the most logical reason is when judges see Columbia on the resume of an applicant they have a good laugh before automatically throwing it away. With the USNWR disaster I only expect it to get worse.

[BigZuck]

Columbia: "Hey, at least we're not NYU!"

[Big Red]

Hey Texas

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[kingpin101]

Columbia: 82.5%

http://www.law.columbia.edu/sites/defau ... _final.pdf

[cannibal ox]

COLUMBIA AT 4.8% FED CLERKS

NEBBY IN RUINS

[Tiago Splitter]

I think the most logical reason is when judges see Columbia on the resume of an applicant they have a good laugh before automatically throwing it away. With the USNWR disaster I only expect it to get worse.

I figure it's the combination of not being able to hire non-citizens and the Columbia/Colombia confusion.

[registering]

Top 20 just missing NYU, Boalt, Texas, and USC now I think.

[BigZuck]

Never 4get:

You should use this data in deciding what schools provide the best shot at biglaw or clerkships. The only outlier of the general placement trend is CLS, which has a subpar clerkship office, but anyone with good grades and hustle can still land clerkships.

The only outlier.

The only one!

That's it, just Columbia!

[BigZuck]

Top 20 just missing NYU, Boalt, Texas, and USC now I think.

Texas will be insta-booted from the T20 when it embarrasses itself/us ITT

[registering]

Top 20 just missing NYU, Boalt, Texas, and USC now I think.

Texas will be insta-booted from the T20 when it embarrasses itself/us ITT

TTTexas confirmed

[Lavitz]

Chicago left Columbia in the dust in the USNWR rankings and is at the top of the list for employment.

You're using "employment" in a meaningless sense.

Columbia finally gets to top of the "list for employment."

List is meaningless.

[Pomeranian]

http://law.wm.edu/careerservices/docume ... ummary.pdf

William and Mary: 27.2%


http://law.emory.edu/_includes/document ... y-2016.pdf

Emory: 32.3%