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Post by jbagelboy » Thu Apr 14, 2016 3:35 pm

star fox wrote:Clerkships outside of Yale, Harvard, and Stanford are going to be such a small % of the class generally, and only really going to be in play for a small % of the class to begin with that it's an area where whoever at the school is running Clerkships are a particular time and without a doubt, self-interest, are really going to make a major difference year to year. At the end of the day, we're talking about the difference between 19 people having a Federal Clerkship and 7 people having one. When the class size is under 200 that's a big swing in percentages, but probably not super indicative of one's ability to obtain a clerkship out of Cornell.
I mean, since in several of the past years chicago and uva have had a higher clerkship % than hls, I'm not sure it's that simple. Yale and Stanford, certainly.

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Re: Class of 2015 Employment Statistics by School

Post by Lincoln » Thu Apr 14, 2016 3:37 pm

Can someone who knows excel and doesn't have a real job please do the three-year averages?

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Re: Class of 2015 Employment Statistics by School

Post by Lavitz » Thu Apr 14, 2016 3:39 pm

jbagelboy wrote:Hes completely trolling you bro
Yep, realized that a bit later.

But given that this is in choosing a law school, and the 0Ls usually can't tell the difference and always read too much into these numbers, I figure I may as well leave it there for context.

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Post by jbagelboy » Thu Apr 14, 2016 3:40 pm

Lincoln wrote:Can someone who knows excel and doesn't have a real job please do the three-year averages?
Ill do it tomorrow since I already have one for the past few yrs but im drunk rn

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Post by star fox » Thu Apr 14, 2016 3:45 pm

jbagelboy wrote:
Lincoln wrote:Can someone who knows excel and doesn't have a real job please do the three-year averages?
Ill do it tomorrow since I already have one for the past few yrs but im drunk rn
Nice. Thanks.


Is that the 3 percentages averaged together or adding up the 3 numerators and denominators together and dividing those numbers (since class sizes change year to year)? Pedantic I know.

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Post by Tiago Splitter » Thu Apr 14, 2016 3:49 pm

star fox wrote: Is that the 3 percentages averaged together or adding up the 3 numerators and denominators together and dividing those numbers (since class sizes change year to year)? Pedantic I know.
Tough crowd.

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Post by rpupkin » Thu Apr 14, 2016 3:50 pm

Lavitz wrote:
jbagelboy wrote:Hes completely trolling you bro
Yep, realized that a bit later.

But given that this is in choosing a law school, and the 0Ls usually can't tell the difference and always read too much into these numbers, I figure I may as well leave it there for context.
I hope everyone realizes that all of this year-to-year variation is mostly noise, and that adding BL +FC gives you an incomplete (and in some cases misleading) picture of the placement power of a law school.

Except, that is, in the case of Penn. Its decline this year portends an ominous future for graduates of that bottom-tier Ivy. But for all the other law schools, you should take these year-to-year variations with a grain of salt.

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Re: Class of 2015 Employment Statistics by School

Post by TirantMartorell » Thu Apr 14, 2016 3:52 pm

Dr. Nefario wrote:BU Law is 39% biglaw(100+)+clerkship

This is roughly the same as 2014, but 2013 was 29%.

at least according to this
http://www.bu.edu/law/careers/employmen ... s-of-2015/


ETA: corrected and this is all ten months after grad
It's actually 34.6% for BU (big law + fed clerk)

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Re: Class of 2015 Employment Statistics by School

Post by Dr. Nefario » Thu Apr 14, 2016 3:56 pm

TirantMartorell wrote:
Dr. Nefario wrote:BU Law is 39% biglaw(100+)+clerkship

This is roughly the same as 2014, but 2013 was 29%.

at least according to this
http://www.bu.edu/law/careers/employmen ... s-of-2015/


ETA: corrected and this is all ten months after grad
It's actually 34.6% for BU (big law + fed clerk)
ran the numbers again (48+7+15+11)/208 and got 37.5%, maybe I'm just bad at math

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Post by TirantMartorell » Thu Apr 14, 2016 3:58 pm

Dr. Nefario wrote:
TirantMartorell wrote:
Dr. Nefario wrote:BU Law is 39% biglaw(100+)+clerkship

This is roughly the same as 2014, but 2013 was 29%.

at least according to this
http://www.bu.edu/law/careers/employmen ... s-of-2015/


ETA: corrected and this is all ten months after grad
It's actually 34.6% for BU (big law + fed clerk)
ran the numbers again (48+7+15+11)/208 and got 37.5%, maybe I'm just bad at math
That's because you're adding both state and federal clerks - there are only 2 fed clerks from BU, the other 9 are state clerks - those don't count for purposes of the numbers people are computing on this thread.

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Post by Tiago Splitter » Thu Apr 14, 2016 3:59 pm

I'm taking nominations for a blue ribbon panel I will be appointing to determine the correct biglaw + fed clerk number for Boston University.

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Post by star fox » Thu Apr 14, 2016 4:00 pm

Tiago Splitter wrote:
star fox wrote: Is that the 3 percentages averaged together or adding up the 3 numerators and denominators together and dividing those numbers (since class sizes change year to year)? Pedantic I know.
Tough crowd.
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Post by SirArthurDayne » Thu Apr 14, 2016 4:04 pm

Excuse my ignorance, but are the new USNEWS rankings based on these numbers or last years?

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Post by TirantMartorell » Thu Apr 14, 2016 4:07 pm

Link to NYU: http://www.law.nyu.edu/sites/default/fi ... duates.pdf

Big law + fed clerk = 68%

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Post by BigZuck » Thu Apr 14, 2016 4:16 pm

SirArthurDayne wrote:Excuse my ignorance, but are the new USNEWS rankings based on these numbers or last years?
TWIST: Neither (basically)

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Post by stretchedtoothin » Thu Apr 14, 2016 4:17 pm

SirArthurDayne wrote:Excuse my ignorance, but are the new USNEWS rankings based on these numbers or last years?
lol only employment #s only make up 20% of USNEWS' rankings methodology. I don't think it matters which employments #s theyre relying on. It's all about dat library size anyway

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SirArthurDayne wrote:Excuse my ignorance, but are the new USNEWS rankings based on these numbers or last years?
http://www.usnews.com/education/best-gr ... ethodology

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I have a 5 year average in pdf. how do I post it?
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Biglaw1990 wrote:
personofinterest wrote:I have a 5 year average in pdf. how do I post it?
Post it here and Nebby will add it to the OP.
I don't post much. How do I post a photo?

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personofinterest wrote:
Biglaw1990 wrote:
personofinterest wrote:I have a 5 year average in pdf. how do I post it?
Post it here and Nebby will add it to the OP.
I don't post much. How do I post a photo?
you can't unless you have 100 posts. anyone know how else to do this?

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Post by jbagelboy » Thu Apr 14, 2016 5:11 pm

proteinshake wrote:
personofinterest wrote:
Biglaw1990 wrote:
personofinterest wrote:I have a 5 year average in pdf. how do I post it?
Post it here and Nebby will add it to the OP.
I don't post much. How do I post a photo?
you can't unless you have 100 posts. anyone know how else to do this?

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Re: Class of 2015 Employment Statistics by School

Post by jbagelboy » Thu Apr 14, 2016 5:12 pm

star fox wrote:
Tiago Splitter wrote:
star fox wrote: Is that the 3 percentages averaged together or adding up the 3 numerators and denominators together and dividing those numbers (since class sizes change year to year)? Pedantic I know.
Tough crowd.
:twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
Ya i think i got dat class size. Obviously weighted proportionally

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proteinshake wrote:
personofinterest wrote:
Biglaw1990 wrote:
personofinterest wrote:I have a 5 year average in pdf. how do I post it?
Post it here and Nebby will add it to the OP.
I don't post much. How do I post a photo?
you can't unless you have 100 posts. anyone know how else to do this?
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