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Re: Kansas vs. Washburn

Post by 2014 » Sun Mar 13, 2016 1:01 pm

KC market doesn't really play by the rules of "oh just do T14/regional T1". The person pointing out how hyper sensitive the market is to defectors isn't kidding. I had/have extremely solid KC ties and had to battle to even get screeners coming out of UChi.

KU or UMKC is a beyond justifiable choice for someone who is all in on KC (though certainly not at OOS prices and not at the COA OP is projecting). The doofus telling OP that KU isn't portable needs to chill considering OP doesn't need it to be portable.

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Re: Kansas vs. Washburn

Post by A@M_or_bust » Sun Mar 13, 2016 1:47 pm

2014 wrote:KC market doesn't really play by the rules of "oh just do T14/regional T1". The person pointing out how hyper sensitive the market is to defectors isn't kidding. I had/have extremely solid KC ties and had to battle to even get screeners coming out of UChi.

KU or UMKC is a beyond justifiable choice for someone who is all in on KC (though certainly not at OOS prices and not at the COA OP is projecting). The doofus telling OP that KU isn't portable needs to chill considering OP doesn't need it to be portable.
Doofus? haha The OP said KU gives OP the option to go to another/nearby state because of the "name recognition." I responded with KU not being portable. But I won't call you a "doofus" for not reading what I was saying in context.

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Re: Kansas vs. Washburn

Post by BigZuck » Sun Mar 13, 2016 4:47 pm

2014 wrote:KC market doesn't really play by the rules of "oh just do T14/regional T1". The person pointing out how hyper sensitive the market is to defectors isn't kidding. I had/have extremely solid KC ties and had to battle to even get screeners coming out of UChi.

KU or UMKC is a beyond justifiable choice for someone who is all in on KC (though certainly not at OOS prices and not at the COA OP is projecting). The doofus telling OP that KU isn't portable needs to chill considering OP doesn't need it to be portable.
IIRC the OP mentioned degree portability and big law

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Re: Kansas vs. Washburn

Post by 2014 » Sun Mar 13, 2016 5:10 pm

I apologize for OPs inconsistency it was terribly inconsistent

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Re: Kansas vs. Washburn

Post by 052220152 » Sun Mar 13, 2016 5:13 pm

op just blow 200k on blow and hookers and expensive vacation. it will be way more fun, and you can just discharge that debt in bankruptcy

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Re: Kansas vs. Washburn

Post by A@M_or_bust » Sun Mar 13, 2016 5:27 pm

2014 wrote:I apologize for OPs inconsistency it was terribly inconsistent
Apology accepted.

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Re: Kansas vs. Washburn

Post by admittedlawgirl16 » Sun Mar 13, 2016 11:02 pm

2014 wrote:KC market doesn't really play by the rules of "oh just do T14/regional T1". The person pointing out how hyper sensitive the market is to defectors isn't kidding. I had/have extremely solid KC ties and had to battle to even get screeners coming out of UChi.

KU or UMKC is a beyond justifiable choice for someone who is all in on KC (though certainly not at OOS prices and not at the COA OP is projecting). The doofus telling OP that KU isn't portable needs to chill considering OP doesn't need it to be portable.



So would Washburn be out?
Is there a huge difference in respect from regional employees I'd receive between KU and Washburn degrees?

I'd be paying OOS at KU but with scholarships. Still twice as expensive as Washburn. I guess I'm asking is KU's price worth it? I'm really wondering if Washburn has a "dumpy" reputation or would my post-grad life fare similarly regardless of a degree from Washburn vs. KU. Should I incur twice as much debt to go to KU. I believe the stats say in regards to law firms in KCMO, KU grads make up 70% of attorneys. Is that stat worth spending more?

I'm slow to mention UMKC bc i have yet to be accepted. I'm interviewing at UMKC next Tuesday, unsure of COA there. Without scholarships COA is 22k.

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Re: Kansas vs. Washburn

Post by Nebby » Sun Mar 13, 2016 11:10 pm

Kansas has the name recognition if I did want to go to another nearby state, the alumni network is crazy extensive. I think something like 70% of lawyers in KC are KU Law grads.
Yeah some of you turds definitely inferred "degree portability" from this very clear intention to stay in KC or neighboring states (KS/MO).

As a Jayhawk, I think you should go to KU or UMKC if they give you a full-ride

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Re: Kansas vs. Washburn

Post by 2014 » Sun Mar 13, 2016 11:16 pm

admittedlawgirl16 wrote:
2014 wrote:KC market doesn't really play by the rules of "oh just do T14/regional T1". The person pointing out how hyper sensitive the market is to defectors isn't kidding. I had/have extremely solid KC ties and had to battle to even get screeners coming out of UChi.

KU or UMKC is a beyond justifiable choice for someone who is all in on KC (though certainly not at OOS prices and not at the COA OP is projecting). The doofus telling OP that KU isn't portable needs to chill considering OP doesn't need it to be portable.



So would Washburn be out?
Is there a huge difference in respect from regional employees I'd receive between KU and Washburn degrees?

I'd be paying OOS at KU but with scholarships. Still twice as expensive as Washburn. I guess I'm asking is KU's price worth it? I'm really wondering if Washburn has a "dumpy" reputation or would my post-grad life fare similarly regardless of a degree from Washburn vs. KU. Should I incur twice as much debt to go to KU. I believe the stats say in regards to law firms in KCMO, KU grads make up 70% of attorneys. Is that stat worth spending more?

I'm slow to mention UMKC bc i have yet to be accepted. I'm interviewing at UMKC next Tuesday, unsure of COA there. Without scholarships COA is 22k.

Thanks!
70% is definitely an exaggeration, but KU is the best represented school in the KC area followed by UMKC, Mizzou and Washburn in that order (I believe). Washburn doesn't really have big firm placement to speak of, but a ton of the 3-10 person shops found throughout Kansas are Washburn heavy. However, that doesn't seem to be your goal.

So anyway for someone wanting to work in KC and preferring one of the 5-6 big firms, KU makes far more sense than Washburn and is worth a premium, but your COA at this point is WAY too high. 150k debt coming out of KU is reckless.

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Re: Kansas vs. Washburn

Post by A@M_or_bust » Sun Mar 13, 2016 11:39 pm

Nebby wrote:
Kansas has the name recognition if I did want to go to another nearby state, the alumni network is crazy extensive. I think something like 70% of lawyers in KC are KU Law grads.
Yeah some of you turds definitely inferred "degree portability" from this very clear intention to stay in KC or neighboring states (KS/MO).

As a Jayhawk, I think you should go to KU or UMKC if they give you a full-ride
Turds? Haha wow. I would say that saying KU's "name recognition" gives you the option to go to "another nearby state" in referencing the possibility (with almost no shot at biglaw) of getting a job in KC just across the state line is pretty silly. Especially considering that KC is essentially the only legit market she would have a shot at getting in to.

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Re: Kansas vs. Washburn

Post by fliptrip » Sun Mar 13, 2016 11:50 pm

I feel like we aren't succeeding with getting the key messages across. I'll try again.
admittedlawgirl16 wrote: So would Washburn be out?
Yes. You will have greater placement success/odds with KU. KU also did not attach stipulations on your scholarship.
I guess I'm asking is KU's price worth it?
Right now, no. It is worth it for a lower price, however. You get a lower price by asking for one, but I strongly believe you're going to have to retake the LSAT to get its price to an acceptable level.
I'm slow to mention UMKC bc i have yet to be accepted. I'm interviewing at UMKC next Tuesday, unsure of COA there. Without scholarships COA is 22k.
Good luck. If you can get UMKC tuition free, then this would be a great option because you should be able to live at home with parents, right? So your effective COA would be close to zero.

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Re: Kansas vs. Washburn

Post by Nebby » Sun Mar 13, 2016 11:50 pm

A@M_or_bust wrote:
Nebby wrote:
Kansas has the name recognition if I did want to go to another nearby state, the alumni network is crazy extensive. I think something like 70% of lawyers in KC are KU Law grads.
Yeah some of you turds definitely inferred "degree portability" from this very clear intention to stay in KC or neighboring states (KS/MO).

As a Jayhawk, I think you should go to KU or UMKC if they give you a full-ride
Turds? Haha wow. I would say that saying KU's "name recognition" gives you the option to go to "another nearby state" in referencing the possibility (with almost no shot at biglaw) of getting a job in KC just across the state line is pretty silly. Especially considering that KC is essentially the only legit market she would have a shot at getting in to.
I have no idea what you're saying right now

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Re: Kansas vs. Washburn

Post by A@M_or_bust » Sun Mar 13, 2016 11:56 pm

Nebby wrote:
A@M_or_bust wrote:
Nebby wrote:
Kansas has the name recognition if I did want to go to another nearby state, the alumni network is crazy extensive. I think something like 70% of lawyers in KC are KU Law grads.
Yeah some of you turds definitely inferred "degree portability" from this very clear intention to stay in KC or neighboring states (KS/MO).

As a Jayhawk, I think you should go to KU or UMKC if they give you a full-ride
Turds? Haha wow. I would say that saying KU's "name recognition" gives you the option to go to "another nearby state" in referencing the possibility (with almost no shot at biglaw) of getting a job in KC just across the state line is pretty silly. Especially considering that KC is essentially the only legit market she would have a shot at getting in to.
I have no idea what you're saying right now
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Re: Kansas vs. Washburn

Post by admittedlawgirl16 » Mon Mar 14, 2016 9:59 am

fliptrip wrote:I feel like we aren't succeeding with getting the key messages across. I'll try again.
admittedlawgirl16 wrote: So would Washburn be out?
Yes. You will have greater placement success/odds with KU. KU also did not attach stipulations on your scholarship.
I guess I'm asking is KU's price worth it?
Right now, no. It is worth it for a lower price, however. You get a lower price by asking for one, but I strongly believe you're going to have to retake the LSAT to get its price to an acceptable level.
I'm slow to mention UMKC bc i have yet to be accepted. I'm interviewing at UMKC next Tuesday, unsure of COA there. Without scholarships COA is 22k.
Good luck. If you can get UMKC tuition free, then this would be a great option because you should be able to live at home with parents, right? So your effective COA would be close to zero.


I plan on taking the LSAT in June. KU does not negotiate scholarships, but I was told the score I needed to get to be considered for more scholarships. Completely doable. Also, there is a 9k scholarship available, so I'm trying for that! Odds aren't in my favor, but they're not in anyone else's either :P.

I'm unsure about UMKC's scholarships. I have a friend who scored a lot higher than their median and was offered nothing. If I could get UMKC's tuition down considerably, then I'd definitely go there over Washburn or KU

Is Washburn's 20k COA an offer I can't pass up?

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Re: Kansas vs. Washburn

Post by fliptrip » Mon Mar 14, 2016 10:44 am

admittedlawgirl16 wrote:
Is Washburn's 20k COA an offer I can't pass up?

Thanks!
Alright, let me try again. You should absolutely and without hesitation pass up this offer. Throw Washburn out. Also, if your June retake doesn't result in the price being right at KU or UMKC, you should sit this cycle out and reapply next year. You should not rush going to law school and put yourself in a long-term bad situation.

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Re: Kansas vs. Washburn

Post by GreenJay » Mon Mar 14, 2016 12:26 pm

admittedlawgirl16 wrote:
fliptrip wrote:I feel like we aren't succeeding with getting the key messages across. I'll try again.
admittedlawgirl16 wrote: So would Washburn be out?
Yes. You will have greater placement success/odds with KU. KU also did not attach stipulations on your scholarship.
I guess I'm asking is KU's price worth it?
Right now, no. It is worth it for a lower price, however. You get a lower price by asking for one, but I strongly believe you're going to have to retake the LSAT to get its price to an acceptable level.
I'm slow to mention UMKC bc i have yet to be accepted. I'm interviewing at UMKC next Tuesday, unsure of COA there. Without scholarships COA is 22k.
Good luck. If you can get UMKC tuition free, then this would be a great option because you should be able to live at home with parents, right? So your effective COA would be close to zero.


I plan on taking the LSAT in June. KU does not negotiate scholarships, but I was told the score I needed to get to be considered for more scholarships. Completely doable. Also, there is a 9k scholarship available, so I'm trying for that! Odds aren't in my favor, but they're not in anyone else's either :P.

I'm unsure about UMKC's scholarships. I have a friend who scored a lot higher than their median and was offered nothing. If I could get UMKC's tuition down considerably, then I'd definitely go there over Washburn or KU

Is Washburn's 20k COA an offer I can't pass up?

Thanks!
Under no circumstances should you go to Washburn unless you would be happy practicing law at a small firm in Topeka or Wichita.

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