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Re: UMass Dartmouth....seriously!

Post by jkenyon2013 » Thu Jul 24, 2014 7:33 pm

I know this is directed at OP, but I want to try to address these issues in his absence, since I feel I'm in the same boat.
objctnyrhnr wrote:What I can also tell you, OP, is that I happen know a handful of recent older suffolk universiTTT grads who were interest in moving to the suburbs and even far away from any legitimate cities, hanging their shingle, not terribly concerned with money (spouse with good job, family money) and all tried to hang their own shingle as entry level attorneys...and they are all failing miserably. would you be different? possibly...but probably not. think about it--why would a random client want to trust an enTTTry level aTTTorney with his subjectively important issues when there are tons of experienced attorneys who are dying for the business? it does not make any sense.
I think the most obvious rebuttal to this is simply the price. Why trust the "TTT" lawyer instead of the HYS one at the big firm in Boston? Because he charges $200/hour less than the big firm and provides the same basic service.
objctnyrhnr wrote:OP, you say that you have modest ambitions with the law degree...and I can see how you might think that. however, modest as they may seem (and many would argue that "just being a PD at a local spot" is not modest, especially not ITE), they are NOT realistic coming from an epic TTTT, especially if you presumably would not be willing to relocate following your graduation.
Their graduating class is small, and intentionally so. It’s a very small - and decidedly shitty - sample size, but two thirds of the UMass grads who managed to find FT/LT/JD req. jobs are in small (non-solo) or mid size firms. I think it's safe to assume that at least some of those firms have some sort of base from which to draw business from, and therefore the grads won’t be entirely hung out to dry like they would be if they tried to establish their own solo practice immediately after graduating. I think relocating following graduation would be one of the WORST possible choices if you attend UMass or similar schools. The UMass system has a great brand within the state, and UMass Dartmouth has an enormous alumni base on the south coast. If you plan to work in the Fall River/Dartmouth/New Bedford/Taunton area, UMass grads will be just as competitive as others if/when jobs become available. If you want to work in Boston, UMass probably won’t be the best place. If you plan on working out of state (minus RI), UMass is a poor choice.
“kalvano” wrote:I commute 45-60 minutes one-way, every day, to get to work. He can certainly do it for three years to go to a school that is significantly better.
Again, I can’t speak for OP because I don’t know his precise situation. What I can say is that I commute 45 minutes to my current job. If I were attending a much better school in Boston as well, it would be about 75-90 minutes to commute there, then another 60 minutes back to my house (upwards of 3 hours per day). With my situation in the fall I’ll only be commuting 90 minutes total because I work less than 5 minutes from the UMass campus. That extra 90 minutes and 90 miles per day saves money on gas and other car maintenance. It means more time for me to spend with my significant other, time to get to the gym, to study, etc. OP has stated he has a wife, and most likely a family. Having an extra 90 minutes per day to spend with your family sounds like a pretty good trade off for moderately better chances at employment.

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Re: UMass Dartmouth....seriously!

Post by JCougar » Thu Jul 24, 2014 7:57 pm

OP will almost certainly make less money in law than he will as a teacher, so he should be sure that the types of law jobs available to graduates of this school are actually appealing places to work.

However, OP will most likely get stuck with some sort of document review job: sitting front of a computer and clicking "responsive" or whatever for a digital stack of about 1,000 documents/day until his eyes bleed. OP, if your idea of practicing as a lawyer equals filtering through truckloads of e-mails, agreements, etc. for 12 hours a day for weeks on end looking for a few key phrases, than maybe you're making the right decision. Otherwise, just please don't go to law school.

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Re: UMass Dartmouth....seriously!

Post by Mullens » Thu Jul 24, 2014 7:59 pm

Based on employment, UMass Dartmouth is the 5th worst law school in the country. Less than a quarter of the graduates are in full-time legal jobs 9 months after graduation. It is not worth attending under any circumstances.

Hanging a shingle also does not work because there are experienced lawyers starving for work. Why would anyone trust a recent graduate from an awful school when there are people who actually have experience willing to take their case for a similar rate. Jkenyon, your false dichotomy is bullshit and there are experienced shitlawyers between recent TTTT grads and people in biglaw who will take small dollar cases. Also, law school doesn't actually teach you how to be a lawyer and recent TTTT grads are just malpractice lawsuits waiting to happen.

Jkenyon, you shouldn't be paying a single dollar to UMass Dartmouth. As much as you want to come here and defend and rationalize your decision to attend on a crappy conditional scholarship, it is an objectively awful idea. You are being scammed. Open your eyes and at the very least retake the LSAT and get a full-ride.

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Re: UMass Dartmouth....seriously!

Post by Ricky-Bobby » Fri Jul 25, 2014 12:26 am

Mullens wrote:Based on employment, UMass Dartmouth is the 5th worst law school in the country. Less than a quarter of the graduates are in full-time legal jobs 9 months after graduation. It is not worth attending under any circumstances.

Hanging a shingle also does not work because there are experienced lawyers starving for work. Why would anyone trust a recent graduate from an awful school when there are people who actually have experience willing to take their case for a similar rate. Jkenyon, your false dichotomy is bullshit and there are experienced shitlawyers between recent TTTT grads and people in biglaw who will take small dollar cases. Also, law school doesn't actually teach you how to be a lawyer and recent TTTT grads are just malpractice lawsuits waiting to happen.

Jkenyon, you shouldn't be paying a single dollar to UMass Dartmouth. As much as you want to come here and defend and rationalize your decision to attend on a crappy conditional scholarship, it is an objectively awful idea. You are being scammed. Open your eyes and at the very least retake the LSAT and get a full-ride.
All of this, especially the bolded.
jkenyon2013 wrote:I think it's safe to assume that at least some of those firms have some sort of base from which to draw business from, and therefore the grads won’t be entirely hung out to dry like they would be if they tried to establish their own solo practice immediately after graduating. I think relocating following graduation would be one of the WORST possible choices if you attend UMass or similar schools. The UMass system has a great brand within the state, and UMass Dartmouth has an enormous alumni base on the south coast.
What the hell good is an "enormous alumni base" if the alumni aren't getting graduates jobs? I hear this argument all the time, and it's never backed up with data.

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Re: UMass Dartmouth....seriously!

Post by 03152016 » Fri Jul 25, 2014 1:04 am

i feel bad 4 ppl tricked into attending ls by deceptive employment rates and flame salary statistics
but i have zero sympathy 4 anyone who has seen the numbers and still decides to attend a TTT

it's like those ppl like harold camping who sell all their shit bc they think the apocalypse is near
you can't reason with someone who is delusional
all u can do is hope they don't let their idiocy infect those who can still be saved

to any potential students considering this school
umass(ive failure) dartmouth is hands down, indisputably, the single worst law school in the entire northeast region of the united states
no school in the entire region has a lower number of students obtaining actual jobs as lawyers (20% non-school funded rate)
the student body is just about the worst in the nation (possibly the entire world)
and non-residents debt-financing their education drop close to $200k to attend this toilet
in fact, umass had to prop up a school (achls) to act as a pipeline to umass
umass gives achls a shitload of money to give full-rides to students who have to commit to attending umass to keep their schollies (and you can imagine how much achls inflates gpas to give umass a median bump as well)
even with a full ride and stipend, there is never a good reason to attend this quasi-accredited toilet
people trying to convince others to go are either unfathomably ignorant/delusional or borderline evil

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Re: UMass Dartmouth....seriously!

Post by jingosaur » Fri Jul 25, 2014 9:45 am

JCougar wrote:OP will almost certainly make less money in law than he will as a teacher, so he should be sure that the types of law jobs available to graduates of this school are actually appealing places to work.

However, OP will most likely get stuck with some sort of document review job: sitting front of a computer and clicking "responsive" or whatever for a digital stack of about 1,000 documents/day until his eyes bleed. OP, if your idea of practicing as a lawyer equals filtering through truckloads of e-mails, agreements, etc. for 12 hours a day for weeks on end looking for a few key phrases, than maybe you're making the right decision. Otherwise, just please don't go to law school.
Keep in mind that MA has Suffolk and the unaccredited Massachusetts School of Law (which is unaccredited) which are much larger than UMass-Dartmouth. All of the law schools in Massachusetts churn out about 500+ under/unemployed lawyers per year who would kill for a doc review gig. You're not just competing against Harvard grads.

There was even a job posting on BC Law's website (a Tier 1 school) for a $10k/year salary at a law firm. Keep your $40k starting and take advantage of your teaching union benefits to get credentialed in something else.
http://boston.cbslocal.com/2012/06/04/o ... -per-year/

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