Kentucky or Louisville Forum

[making34]

That's more along the lines of what I was asking tls. But what I gather most of the firms in lex and louisville hire from one of these two schools.

So with guaranteed employment, albeit not my preferred job but still better than my current job,lets hear everyone's thoughts? I'm looking forward to this

Why the fuck do you keep talking about guaranteed employment from these shitholes? The only guaranteed employment is staying at your current job.

I hope you outlive your children.

I keep talking about guaranteed employment? Haha. I left that out of the original post so I could get some answers specifically about these two schools. Then explained that I have a guaranteed job. Was chastised for not posting that upfront, and now I'm being called out for talking about my guaranteed job? You never cease to amaze tls. Still thoroughly enjoying the thread. Let's keep it going.

And johnnyquest, I'm originally from kentucky, I've been out of state working but looking to come back. I qualify for in state tuition. So with Louisville 12k scholly and18.5k tuition I'm looking to pay around 25k/year for housing, living expenses, and the remainder of tuition.

[bjsesq]

Your narcissim is confusing as shit, considering you admit you know your provided choices are stupid and that you made a stupid thread. But yeah, TLS is the problem.

[making34]

And you continue to be a part of it. Thanks for joining. But just to be clear, going to law school for 65k of debt with a garunteed 100k job is stupid? Now I understand. Thanks bjsesq

[bjsesq]

And you continue to be a part of it. Thanks for joining. But just to be clear, going to law school for 65k of debt with a garunteed 100k job is stupid? Now I understand. Thanks bjsesq

Personal history is always sparkling when you just ignore the parts you don't like. I am going to continue bumping this thread so people can see how stupid you are and, somehow, how you consider yourself the intellectual grand puba here. I garuntee it.

[making34]

I don't know if you are wanting me to apologize for my typo or what. But if that's what you would like, I apologize for misspelling guarantee while using the small keyboard on my phone.

But I'm still curious as to your response about going 65k in debt for a 100k job. Do you consider that stupid? And why? I wouldn't be opposed to some meaningful dialogue. And no I don't consider myself the "intellectual grand puba". Hell, I had a 3.2 gpa and a 156 LSAT. I understand that I'm pretty middle of the road when it comes to my intellect.

[NYSprague]

I don't know if you are wanting me to apologize for my typo or what. But if that's what you would like, I apologize for misspelling guarantee while using the small keyboard on my phone.

But I'm still curious as to your response about going 65k in debt for a 100k job. Do you consider that stupid? And why? I wouldn't be opposed to some meaningful dialogue. And no I don't consider myself the "intellectual grand puba". Hell, I had a 3.2 gpa and a 156 LSAT. I understand that I'm pretty middle of the road when it comes to my intellect.

Yes it is stupid if you already have a job making more. It isn't just 65k, you have to add in 360,000 of lost income plus your savings.

Plus your job will probably be much worse than where you are now.

Plus law school is 3 years of stress.

Plus guaranteed jobs have a way of disappearing in 3 years for various reasons.

Plus what if you don't pass the bar?

Plus what if you hate that job?

[rickgrimes69]

lol OP's career is moving backwards with every decision he makes. That's pretty impressive, even ITE

OP did they garuntee you a job in writing? Because otherwise it's not a true garuntee.

[bjsesq]

A couple of points, since you actually seem to want to have a conversation now, and you have (I assume) given me all information that really matters in making this decision.

1) If you have a guaranteed 100k/year job, sure go for it. Here's the thing that bothers me: why would you even ask which school to go to? If you are going to go to this job so long as you graduate, go to the cheaper school. You generally ask questions when you are trying to balance debt load with job prospects, but that issue isn't here. But wait, you wrote:

GPA:3.25
LSAT: 156
20k saved up that I can use for school and living expenses

Kentucky:
1k/year in scholly
3 year COA without adjusting for tuition increase: 105,000
75% with JD required jobs 9 months out

Louisville:
12k/year in scholly-no conditions
3 year COA without adjusting for tuition increase: 78,000
65% with JD required jobs 9 months out

I understand tcr is retake, but im three years out from UG and ready to get started. I am prepared for the debt (was in debt from UG about 80k and have since paid it off) and my goal is to work in a mid-size firm in lexington or louisville.

Thoughts??

You are all over the place here, and I can't figure out what the fuck is true. Why include placement prospects and your "goals" if you already know where you are going? Either you were deliberately misleading people in your original post, or you are lying now.

2) I'm going to assume, for the sake of giving you an answer, that you were just misleading everyone then and are being honest now. I don't necessarily agree with leaving a higher paying job to go to a lower paying job after accruing a bunch of debt, but this won't cripple you.

So, to answer your question: go to the cheaper one.

[Nucky]

This must be the most attention UK or Louisville have ever received on this site. They're surely basking in the glory.

[making34]

A couple of points, since you actually seem to want to have a conversation now, and you have (I assume) given me all information that really matters in making this decision.

1) If you have a guaranteed 100k/year job, sure go for it. Here's the thing that bothers me: why would you even ask which school to go to? If you are going to go to this job so long as you graduate, go to the cheaper school. You generally ask questions when you are trying to balance debt load with job prospects, but that issue isn't here. But wait, you wrote:

GPA:3.25
LSAT: 156
20k saved up that I can use for school and living expenses

Kentucky:
1k/year in scholly
3 year COA without adjusting for tuition increase: 105,000
75% with JD required jobs 9 months out

Louisville:
12k/year in scholly-no conditions
3 year COA without adjusting for tuition increase: 78,000
65% with JD required jobs 9 months out

I understand tcr is retake, but im three years out from UG and ready to get started. I am prepared for the debt (was in debt from UG about 80k and have since paid it off) and my goal is to work in a mid-size firm in lexington or louisville.

Thoughts??

You are all over the place here, and I can't figure out what the fuck is true. Why include placement prospects and your "goals" if you already know where you are going? Either you were deliberately misleading people in your original post, or you are lying now.

2) I'm going to assume, for the sake of giving you an answer, that you were just misleading everyone then and are being honest now. I don't necessarily agree with leaving a higher paying job to go to a lower paying job after accruing a bunch of debt, but this won't cripple you.

So, to answer your question: go to the cheaper one.

Thanks for the input. This is more of what I was looking to get out of this thread. I do have a job lined up. However, its not in KY, where I want to be. The company offered to pay for my JD, but I would rather owe 65k to a bank as opposed to feeling owned by this company. Like I said, my goal is to work for a mid-size in KY. That is why I left out the guaranteed job. I simply wanted to know which school, given my financial situation and their employment prospects, would be the best fit for my number one goal. If I can't reach my goal at either of these I will take my previous employer up on their offer and be just fine. So yes, this thread is about balancing debt load against the employment prospects at these two schools.

[bjsesq]

...so the company offered to pay for your JD and employ you after school as well? This story keeps getting more fantastic.

[making34]

I did make 150k last year. Left that company for one with slightly less hours. Just 65 a week compared to 75-80 hours. And honestly I don't need validation. I can get my law degree, work for one of my previous employers as in house on a 50 hour week making 100k plus. They offered to pay for my jd but I turned them down. You may say it was a dumb move but I didn't want to be forced to work for this company. If I do well enough in law school and can get a job at a mid size that's what I would prefer. If not I'll go back and work for this company in a very different capacity. That's why I was curious as to which would be a better fit for me, wasn't really a social experiment (although this site is rather amusing). Simply did not want to complicate the responses with another variable. Regardless this was a waste of my time and most of yours. For that I do apologize.

...so the company offered to pay for your JD and employ you after school as well? This story keeps getting more fantastic.

Yep, but I already told you that.

[bjsesq]

How long would having them fund your education require you to work for them?

[Ricky-Bobby]

Unless you're not having sex with old people for money, stick to your current job or retake, dude.

FTFY. Dude, old people sex would be easy as pie. It's not like they can be that demanding. I'm reminded of the "Would you shovel shit?" thread.

OP, I can't see anyone here validating your decision to go to law school, but we're not in your position. If you absolutely can't stand being a sales manager making bank (which I still don't understand, the sales manager barely has to talk to customers and usually just bullshits with the sales team in my experience), and you know that being a lawyer is what you want to do, just go for it.

U of K would probably be the better option if you don't care about the cost. As JohnnyQuest pointed out, they obviously place well in Kentucky. Just make sure your ties are solid.

I think this is all dumb, but I'm a money-grubbing dirtbag who doesn't care about my own hopes and dreams.

[making34]

Unless you're not having sex with old people for money, stick to your current job or retake, dude.

FTFY. Dude, old people sex would be easy as pie. It's not like they can be that demanding. I'm reminded of the "Would you shovel shit?" thread.

OP, I can't see anyone here validating your decision to go to law school, but we're not in your position. If you absolutely can't stand being a sales manager making bank (which I still don't understand, the sales manager barely has to talk to customers and usually just bullshits with the sales team in my experience), and you know that being a lawyer is what you want to do, just go for it.

U of K would probably be the better option if you don't care about the cost. As JohnnyQuest pointed out, they obviously place well in Kentucky. Just make sure your ties are solid.

I think this is all dumb, but I'm a money-grubbing dirtbag who doesn't care about my own hopes and dreams.

Haha fair enough. The big thing with my current position is that I am already tapped out on my progression, and I really really hate working in retail. I've spent enough time working summers with lawyers during undergrad to know that I would prefer law, even with the oppurtunity cost associated with it. And it would be a 10 year commitment.

[rickgrimes69]

Poor little OP, being forced to work for a company in a different state than he wants, all because they offered to pay for his JD and give him a six figure salary.

I can't even type it out without cringing. OP, do whatever you want. You're hell-bent on making an objectively irrational decision, so godspeed. I sincerely hope you get what's coming to you.

[MT Cicero]

I seems surprising to me that you could say to this guaranteed job, "Nah, no thanks on the paying for law school and working for you." Then, if you strike out elsewhere saying, "Hey guys, I'm back! Thanks for holding this job for me indefinitely."

I assume it's not a family business because of the 10-year commitment, so you seem a bit over-confident that you could walk into your backup $100k job and just claim an office after turning them down prior.

[kalvano]

OP hasn't really hit the top end of his career. GSM of a small store (and if you're making $120K or so, it's a small store) generally leads to better dealerships and a lot more money. One of my friends from my sales days is a manager at an Audi store and pulls in $200K plus bonus and an Audi to drive. If you have GSM experience, there are plenty of large dealerships in great area willing to pay you a lot. If you can manage a large store, you're looking at $300K - $450K.

However, I will speak up and defend OP and say that, in general, auto sales is really pretty shitty, and especially if he works for a place like a VT store or similar that needs a general counsel because they get sued all the damn time.

[McAvoy]

I sincerely hope you get what's coming to you.

So many Rick Grimes GIFs I could post right now.

[making34]

OP hasn't really hit the top end of his career. GSM of a small store (and if you're making $120K or so, it's a small store) generally leads to better dealerships and a lot more money. One of my friends from my sales days is a manager at an Audi store and pulls in $200K plus bonus and an Audi to drive. If you have GSM experience, there are plenty of large dealerships in great area willing to pay you a lot. If you can manage a large store, you're looking at $300K - $450K.

However, I will speak up and defend OP and say that, in general, auto sales is really pretty shitty, and especially if he works for a place like a VT store or similar that needs a general counsel because they get sued all the damn time.

Thanks. It is pretty shitty work. And I actually no longer work for the company that offered to pay my way (but the offer still stands). But I still have a very good relationship with the owners and many of the managers there. When I am in there city we often meet up for dinner or drinks. And yes, they wanted to have me as General Counsel. They felt that actually having someone who has ran a store would understand their needs better.

[kalvano]

A lifetime of working every Saturday sucks, especially as you start to have kids.

[BigZuck]

How did the OP get such boomerific luck? Garunteed 100K jobs? Ability to just leave a high paying job to follow your dreams?

That's awesome man, I really mean that. I say just YOLO your way to whichever school you want, I suspect that life will work out for you no matter what you do.

[Danger Zone]

A lifetime of working every Saturday sucks, especially as you start to have kids.

And you'll never have to work on a Saturday as a lawyer.

OP, just become an Orthodox Jew.

[making34]

How did the OP get such boomerific luck? Garunteed 100K jobs? Ability to just leave a high paying job to follow your dreams?

That's awesome man, I really mean that. I say just YOLO your way to whichever school you want, I suspect that life will work out for you no matter what you do.

I understand the sarcasm. But, honestly thanks. And if anyone here only cares about making money, go get in the car business. If you have any kind of work ethic, can half way talk to people, and have any smarts at all you'll be doing 100k within a year. It's the best kept secret from college grads if all you want to do is make money.

[kalvano]

A lifetime of working every Saturday sucks, especially as you start to have kids.

And you'll never have to work on a Saturday as a lawyer.

OP, just become an Orthodox Jew.

It's different. You HAVE to be there, on the lot, and ready to go every Saturday because that's the money day. As a lawyer, you can swing working from home a lot of the time, or schedule weekend work around other things, and there are some weekends when you won't have to work.