Why such little apparent respect for Emory? Forum

[Nelson]

Of course you feel happy now right after you get acceptances. Try to picture yourself where you'll be in three years at the most likely outcome from Emory: small firm or school funded fellowship in Georgia. Evaluate whether you'll be happy then.

LST (or ABA, I guess) fails us here. I'm not sure where those school fellowships are placed in the employment data. I'm also not sure how those school fellowship recipients fare after the 9 month point. That being said, the numbers don't support "small firm or school funded fellowship" as the most likely outcome from Emory. I also think Emory gets too much shit for its school-funded positions. For example, it makes no sense for ATL to count them as unemployed when they're receiving a (albeit barely liveable) stipend per month.

Wtf are you talking about? Small firm would be a good median outcome from Emory. 20% of the class is at a small firm. Nearly 20% people are in "business." Another 20% are employed by the school. Not surprisingly the school funded numbers are roughly equal to govt plus "public interest." Those are all bad outcomes.

[jbagelboy]

I understand a lot of people on this site are going to better schools and have "better plans" than me, and that's fine. Congrats to you guys for that. Doesn't change the fact that this is a site for people going to law school, not just for people in the top 10. So as crazy as
It may sounds I'm actually happy and grateful for my acceptances. Though yes in the interest of full disclosure clearly umich would be the best option, but spending 5 years here I'm ok with leaving (not that I have a choice really haha)

Of course you feel happy now right after you get acceptances. Try to picture yourself where you'll be in three years at the most likely outcome from Emory: small firm or school funded fellowship in Georgia. Evaluate whether you'll be happy then.

bottom line, if you want to be involved in michigan politics, you should either just build on your existing family network, attend umichigan, or harvard. If your parents really are friends with the staeblers and romneys it shouldn't be tough. I don't see any added value of an emory degree for you.

[cotiger]

Of course you feel happy now right after you get acceptances. Try to picture yourself where you'll be in three years at the most likely outcome from Emory: small firm or school funded fellowship in Georgia. Evaluate whether you'll be happy then.

LST (or ABA, I guess) fails us here. I'm not sure where those school fellowships are placed in the employment data. I'm also not sure how those school fellowship recipients fare after the 9 month point. That being said, the numbers don't support "small firm or school funded fellowship" as the most likely outcome from Emory. I also think Emory gets too much shit for its school-funded positions. For example, it makes no sense for ATL to count them as unemployed when they're receiving a (albeit barely liveable) stipend per month.

Literally the modal outcome from Emory is a school-funded job.

The second most likely is a job at a firm that employs 2-10 people.

Source: http://www.lstscorereports.com/schools/emory/ABA/2013/

[BigZuck]

Of course you feel happy now right after you get acceptances. Try to picture yourself where you'll be in three years at the most likely outcome from Emory: small firm or school funded fellowship in Georgia. Evaluate whether you'll be happy then.

LST (or ABA, I guess) fails us here. I'm not sure where those school fellowships are placed in the employment data. I'm also not sure how those school fellowship recipients fare after the 9 month point. That being said, the numbers don't support "small firm or school funded fellowship" as the most likely outcome from Emory. I also think Emory gets too much shit for its school-funded positions. For example, it makes no sense for ATL to count them as unemployed when they're receiving a (albeit barely liveable) stipend per month.

Then what is the most likely outcome from Emory?

OP-YOLO. Your situation is obviously way too unique and you are much too special of a snowflake for us to help you out. We have to base our advice on probable outcomes, most of us don't have judge/politician dads who own office buildings and can get us jobs because we went to a school better than American and therefore we can't really give you any advice tailored to your situation. Just do you bro, go wherever you want.

[cron1834]

Dude, I think some of what turns me off here is that you want to be "a politician." That's usually a derogatory term that implies a person who wants to run for office for the sake of running for office, which roughly sums it up here. If you said you wanted to do some kind of service, or make some kind of policy, or enact some sort of legal regime you feel strongly about, I think you would gain more respect. But telling people that your dad ran for a bunch of offices and owns a bunch of buildings, so you're gonna be a politician, seems pretty juvenile. As does the idea of going to Emory for almost no reason at all.

You seem like a nice guy, but surely you understand why this is rubbing some people the wrong way.

[HRomanus]

Of course you feel happy now right after you get acceptances. Try to picture yourself where you'll be in three years at the most likely outcome from Emory: small firm or school funded fellowship in Georgia. Evaluate whether you'll be happy then.

LST (or ABA, I guess) fails us here. I'm not sure where those school fellowships are placed in the employment data. I'm also not sure how those school fellowship recipients fare after the 9 month point. That being said, the numbers don't support "small firm or school funded fellowship" as the most likely outcome from Emory. I also think Emory gets too much shit for its school-funded positions. For example, it makes no sense for ATL to count them as unemployed when they're receiving a (albeit barely liveable) stipend per month.

Literally the modal outcome from Emory is a school-funded job.

The second most likely is a job at a firm that employs 2-10 people.

Source: http://www.lstscorereports.com/schools/emory/ABA/2013/

My point was that ABA/LST data doesn't indiciate where the school funded positions are allocated. They are not included in the ABA/LST data beyond the raw 23.3% number. It is impossible (so far as I'm aware) to make a clear distinction between a school-funded position and a job in the report.

[Hipster but Athletic]

Of course you feel happy now right after you get acceptances. Try to picture yourself where you'll be in three years at the most likely outcome from Emory: small firm or school funded fellowship in Georgia. Evaluate whether you'll be happy then.

LST (or ABA, I guess) fails us here. I'm not sure where those school fellowships are placed in the employment data. I'm also not sure how those school fellowship recipients fare after the 9 month point. That being said, the numbers don't support "small firm or school funded fellowship" as the most likely outcome from Emory. I also think Emory gets too much shit for its school-funded positions. For example, it makes no sense for ATL to count them as unemployed when they're receiving a (albeit barely liveable) stipend per month.

Literally the modal outcome from Emory is a school-funded job.

The second most likely is a job at a firm that employs 2-10 people.

Source: http://www.lstscorereports.com/schools/emory/ABA/2013/

Either you're an asshole or an idiot, but speaking about "modal outcomes" by differentiating between 250-500 lawyer firms and 500+ lawyer firms, etc, and then looking at the number of school funded jobs...and then deciding to speak about mode is hilarious.

[Hipster but Athletic]

Also, who the fuck fills out these surveys? I love all the data on this site. Anything besides judge prestige is dumb.

[cotiger]

Of course you feel happy now right after you get acceptances. Try to picture yourself where you'll be in three years at the most likely outcome from Emory: small firm or school funded fellowship in Georgia. Evaluate whether you'll be happy then.

LST (or ABA, I guess) fails us here. I'm not sure where those school fellowships are placed in the employment data. I'm also not sure how those school fellowship recipients fare after the 9 month point. That being said, the numbers don't support "small firm or school funded fellowship" as the most likely outcome from Emory. I also think Emory gets too much shit for its school-funded positions. For example, it makes no sense for ATL to count them as unemployed when they're receiving a (albeit barely liveable) stipend per month.

Literally the modal outcome from Emory is a school-funded job.

The second most likely is a job at a firm that employs 2-10 people.

Source: http://www.lstscorereports.com/schools/emory/ABA/2013/

My point was that ABA/LST data doesn't indiciate where the school funded positions are allocated. They are not included in the ABA/LST data beyond the raw 23.3% number. It is impossible (so far as I'm aware) to make a clear distinction between a school-funded position and a job in the report.

Note: The one with the highest number is school-funded positions. The one with the second highest number is 2-10 person firms.

Yes, school-funded positions can technically be in any category. In practice, those are PI/Gov positions (eta: or "education" in this instance i.e. working for the school lol), so people in 2-10 person firms are not also being counted in the school-funded box.

[Hipster but Athletic]

You repeated your point. Still haven't decided if you're an asshole or an idiot.

[HRomanus]

Note: The one with the highest number is school-funded positions. The one with the second highest number is 2-10 person firms.

Yes, school-funded positions can technically be in any category. In practice, those are PI/Gov positions, so people in 2-10 person firms are not also being counted in the school-funded box.

I assume the education numbers are all school-funded positions - is that accurate? I won't assume that PI/Gov positions are entirely school-funded positions, so they are being counted elsewhere. In any case, we're engaging in pure guesswork. We don't know where the positions are allocated in the data and we don't know if they turned into long-term positions (as Emory claims) after the 9 month point.

[cotiger]

Either you're an asshole or an idiot, but speaking about "modal outcomes" by differentiating between 250-500 lawyer firms and 500+ lawyer firms, etc, and then looking at the number of school funded jobs...and then deciding to speak about mode is hilarious.

You repeated your point. Still haven't decided if you're an asshole or an idiot.

If combine the firm jobs into broader groups, magically the result is the exact same.

Didn't care to do the addition.

You're being willfully obtuse. The point is that a random Emory grad is most likely to be either working in a small firm or in a school-funded position.

[cotiger]

Note: The one with the highest number is school-funded positions. The one with the second highest number is 2-10 person firms.

Yes, school-funded positions can technically be in any category. In practice, those are PI/Gov positions, so people in 2-10 person firms are not also being counted in the school-funded box.

I assume the education numbers are all school-funded positions - is that accurate? I won't assume that PI/Gov positions are entirely school-funded positions, so they are being counted elsewhere. In any case, we're engaging in pure guesswork. We don't know where the positions are allocated in the data and we don't know if they turned into long-term positions (as Emory claims) after the 9 month point.

Lol there's only so many places they can be. Unless Emory is giving Yale a run for it's money..

Regardless it doesn't matter. Unless Emory has decided that they're going to fund jobs at private law firms (hint: they're not), those are distinct outcomes.

Last year 53% of Emory grads were in firms under 100 lawyers, in school-funded positions, ST or PT gigs, or completely unemployed. Not to mention the probable undesirability of all those business and industry jobs. These unfavorable outcomes are most likely where you'll end up coming out of Emory.

[Ngoblue2014]

Im not saying I'm a special snowflake haha but thank you, i think I've been pretty clear I'm grateful for what i have and know how fortunate i am. I am not at all intending to "rub anyone the wrong way" I've just worked on campaigns my entire life and truly enjoy the political process. I guess the best way i can describe it is: my family has been given a lot in this country, and it has been instilled in me for as long as i can remember that public service is the real family business. In the state of michigan circuit court judges make less than most of you will your first year out of law school, commissioners make about 21k, state legislators less than 80. Being a "politician" is not for the money, that's for sure, nor is that my motivation for doing so.

[Ngoblue2014]

Though it has gotten pretty messy the thread did "work." I was genuinely curious as to what i perceived as a repeated pattern of people posting "Blank v Blank v Emory" and Emory consistently being bashed or ignored. Thanks everybody for raising some really strong (and very thought provoking) points i hadn't (but should have) considered

[BigZuck]

Lax- I'm not sure I fully get the anti-LST schtick you seem to be developing. Can you dumb it down for me?

Also, "Asshole or Idiot" should be your next user name when your current one gets banned

[cotiger]

Lax- I'm not sure I fully get the anti-LST schtick you seem to be developing. Can you dumb it down for me?

Also, "Asshole or Idiot" should be your next user name when your current one gets banned

Probably has something to do with looking at the numbers making people not confident enough to just believe in themselves and go for it.

[Mal Reynolds]

Emory is an awful school.

[MistakenGenius]

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[TheSpanishMain]

I do think Yale is second, especially considering Clinton's popularity. If Hillary were to win, that would grow even further in Blue States.

You really think voters care about where whoever they're supporting went to law school? "Aw, man, I really liked Candidate X, but his school fell six places in USNWR, fuck him."

This is what I was talking about with Michigan voters and Columbia and Chicago. The average guy on the street has no idea and doesn't care. To the extent that the guy on the street has an opinion, it's going to be "MSU Law is the best because GO GREEN!"

[lawschoolwoohoo]

Disclosure: 0L.

I am going to Emory because I have a large scholarship and want to practice in the region. I want the opportunity for BigLaw, but am comfortable with (and have ties for) smaller firms in the South. I seriously compared Emory to Wake, UGA, and UNC; based on COA and personal goals, Emory is the more compelling option for me.

Good luck man.

[20141023]

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[SnakySalmon]

I do think Yale is second, especially considering Clinton's popularity. If Hillary were to win, that would grow even further in Blue States.

You really think voters care about where whoever they're supporting went to law school? "Aw, man, I really liked Candidate X, but his school fell six places in USNWR, fuck him."

This is what I was talking about with Michigan voters and Columbia and Chicago. The average guy on the street has no idea and doesn't care. To the extent that the guy on the street has an opinion, it's going to be "MSU Law is the best because GO GREEN!"

lol apparently you've never read the comments on news websites around election time. Just this past selection, people on CNN / Fox / other news websites were trying to decide whether Romney or Obama would be better at steering this country when Romney had 2 Harvard degrees whereas Obama only had 1. Believe it or not, many Americans are fucking dumb and will base their votes on dumb shit.

I don't think people base their votes on dumb shit. I think people know who they're going to vote for, and then say lots of dumb shit about it. There aren't a lot of liberals who suddenly decided Obama was born in Kenya and changed their votes, and there aren't a lot of conservatives who thought Bush did 9/11.

The only reason these people care about law schools is that the guy they like went to one, so it's good. The one they don't like went to the other, so it's bad. They can't do that with Obama/Romney, so it turns into a debate about MBAs.

[Wiggly]

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[Orlandipo]

People who think UGA is on par with Emory for ATL are either retards or go to UGA.