Rely on Columbia LRAP or go for the cheap? Forum

[09042014]

He's right isn't he?

As for UVA - it hired 17% of its own graduates to get a "lowish" LST unemployment rate. No clue why LST includes school fellowships as employment (and this is why ATL rankings are better in that respect). I believe UVA has the second highest real unemployment rate in the T14 behind Georgetown and is the shadiest T-14.

I don't really want to get into it here because I'll be seen as supporting CLS @ >$200K, which (unless wealthy parents are in play) is not my position.

If you really want to talk about underemployment, first, even a shitty school funded job is better than literally no full time paid work. Second, some Columbia "school funded" fellowships are no joke - there are at least a few cognizable recent stone+ on that list (eligible for V10). Before you call bullshit look at some of the Karpatkin, Chadbourne, Leebron, ect. fellows, they're serious.

But really even if we're going to be dense enough to pretend all these fellowships are interchangeable with fluffing lattes at peet's, 7.2 is not half of 13.

If you are going to use rough categories of jobs to rank outcomes you have to take the bad with the good. Sure a couple of those fellowships are probably legit, but most are just stop gap measures. Some of the 101+ firm numbers are people doing staff attorney jobs. Some of the federal clerkships are magistrate or non A3, some of the academia is non tenure. None of it is exact.

Also, who cares if school funded is better than nothing. We are comparing real jobs vs. underemployment. School funded job is definitely underemployed.

And just because a stone scholar is on that doesn't necessarily mean they are there on purpose or that the fellowship is prefstigious. Many people with PI aims could get big law, but graduate unemployed because PI is hard to get. That's not CLS only, the same shit happens at all schools.

Stone at Columbia means you were like top third for any independent year. You can nail 3L after getting straight B-'s your first two years and be a Stone scholar. It's basically meaningless.

That said, I have no doubt that many students on school funded scholarships at CLS are people who could have gone to biglaw if they wanted it. It's the same at NYU.

Like I said, plenty of people who could get big law try PI and get ass raped by reality. Not CCN only.

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Like I said, plenty of people who could get big law try PI and get ass raped by reality. Not CCN only.

Yup. In my experience, a lot of them do turn these school funded jobs into something long-term, but it's often not even remotely in the ballpark of what they hoped or expected to do.