Class of 2013 Employment Data Forum

[jbagelboy]

Well done, Columbia. Well done.

Loll killed it with SAs, but I don't understand why so many top people dont want to clerk

Oh ya lol cause everyone hates litigation and wants to do deals

[Hitchensian]

Here is a link to a spreadsheet with new biglaw numbers/percentages and the % change from last year:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc ... ring#gid=0

This is a very helpful spreadsheet I've seen in other threads.

However, just a word of caution to those who may not realize, this sheet uses NLJ 250 placement as its definition of BigLaw, whereas some define BigLaw as any firm with 100+ attorneys (e.g. the original post in this thread) regardless of whether it's included in the NLJ 250. They are nearly the exact same thing, but differ slightly because there are more than 250 firms with 100+ attorneys. And if I'm wrong on this last part someone please correct me.

[Nelson]

Duke: 51.4 + 8.7 = 60.1%

https://law.duke.edu/sites/default/file ... ss2013.pdf

That's quite the dip for Duke's clerkship numbers.

It's a 9 person swing. Clerkship numbers are the epitome of small sample size.

[Nelson]

Here is a link to a spreadsheet with new biglaw numbers/percentages and the % change from last year:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc ... ring#gid=0

This is a very helpful spreadsheet I've seen in other threads.

However, just a word of caution to those who may not realize, this sheet uses NLJ 250 placement as its definition of BigLaw, whereas some define BigLaw as any firm with 100+ attorneys (e.g. the original post in this thread) regardless of whether it's included in the NLJ 250. They are nearly the exact same thing, but differ slightly because there are more than 250 firms with 100+ attorneys. And if I'm wrong on this last part someone please correct me.

NLJ250 numbers are worthless now that we have the much more accurate ABA data.

[chuckbass]

Here is a link to a spreadsheet with new biglaw numbers/percentages and the % change from last year:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc ... ring#gid=0

This is a very helpful spreadsheet I've seen in other threads.

However, just a word of caution to those who may not realize, this sheet uses NLJ 250 placement as its definition of BigLaw, whereas some define BigLaw as any firm with 100+ attorneys (e.g. the original post in this thread) regardless of whether it's included in the NLJ 250. They are nearly the exact same thing, but differ slightly because there are more than 250 firms with 100+ attorneys. And if I'm wrong on this last part someone please correct me.

NLJ250 numbers are worthless now that we have the much more accurate ABA data.

Also because not every NLJ 250 reports correctly, so ABA data is the way to go.

[Hitchensian]

Here is a link to a spreadsheet with new biglaw numbers/percentages and the % change from last year:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc ... ring#gid=0

This is a very helpful spreadsheet I've seen in other threads.

However, just a word of caution to those who may not realize, this sheet uses NLJ 250 placement as its definition of BigLaw, whereas some define BigLaw as any firm with 100+ attorneys (e.g. the original post in this thread) regardless of whether it's included in the NLJ 250. They are nearly the exact same thing, but differ slightly because there are more than 250 firms with 100+ attorneys. And if I'm wrong on this last part someone please correct me.

NLJ250 numbers are worthless now that we have the much more accurate ABA data.

Also because not every NLJ 250 reports correctly, so ABA data is the way to go.

I didn't know that NLJ data had a bad rep...good to know though. And yeah, I suppose ABA official numbers would be a more reliable measure.

[Tiago Splitter]

Northwestern: 55.6 + 7.7 = 63.3%

This guy gets it.

[lhanvt13]

Northwestern: 55.6 + 7.7 = 63.3%

This guy gets it.

almost 50% at 500+
dayum

[04102014]

Duke: 51.4 + 8.7 = 60.1%

https://law.duke.edu/sites/default/file ... ss2013.pdf

That's quite the dip for Duke's clerkship numbers.

It's a 9 person swing. Clerkship numbers are the epitome of small sample size.

Good point... as usual.

[Tiago Splitter]

Did USNWR use these numbers for its rankings, or last year's?

They used the numbers for class of 2012. Although TBH I don't know if their "at graduation" rates were for 2012 or 2013.

And worth repeating: NLJ250 numbers don't even include every firm in the NLJ 250.

[JCougar]

Tag.

My school's improved 6 percentage points from last year's metric despite having a larger class. I wonder if that will end up being the norm. The legal job market still seems unimaginably bad out there. The number of post-graduation job postings I see on a weekly basis for my entire state are in the single digits.

[cotiger]

UChi has the actual ABA form posted, btw: http://www.law.uchicago.edu/files/file/ ... of2013.pdf

[jenesaislaw]

Did USNWR use these numbers for its rankings, or last year's?

They used the numbers for class of 2012. Although TBH I don't know if their "at graduation" rates were for 2012 or 2013.

And worth repeating: NLJ250 numbers don't even include every firm in the NLJ 250.

@grad are 2012 too.

[jenesaislaw]

And to think it was only what like 3 years ago every school was claiming 99 % employment with a $115 K average salary. God bless LST.

Thank you. Makes me feel good to read this.

[cotiger]

Super nit-picky, but Harvard's clerking is actually 17.0, and the total is 71.5
Chicago's total is 72.6
NU's is 63.4
Duke's is 60.2

[star fox]

https://www.law.upenn.edu/careers/emplo ... istics.php

I don't know enough about clerkships to distinguish the federal from the state/local ones..

[04102014]

https://www.law.upenn.edu/careers/emplo ... istics.php

I don't know enough about clerkships to distinguish the federal from the state/local ones..

Here is the ABA sheet.

https://www.law.upenn.edu/live/files/30 ... tisticspdf

59.8% + 9.3% = 69.1%

Cotiger, correct me if I'm wrong

[kemosabe]

So if I did that correctly for Penn their figures are 59.8 + 9.3 = 69.1

Edit: Scooped

[cotiger]

https://www.law.upenn.edu/careers/emplo ... istics.php

I don't know enough about clerkships to distinguish the federal from the state/local ones..

Here is the ABA sheet.

https://www.law.upenn.edu/live/files/30 ... tisticspdf

59.8% + 9.3% = 69.1%

Cotiger, correct me if I'm wrong

Golden.

[Mauve.Dino]

Get it together, Drexel Law, I want to like you:

8% Big Law + 3% Fed Clerk = 11%

#SadPanda

http://drexel.edu/law/career/statistics ... 0Outcomes/

The good news is that only 12% of the class is unemployed and seeking employment (take THAT, Florida Coastal!)

[Mauve.Dino]

University of Pittsburgh:

10% Big + ~2.5% Fed = ~12.5%

--LinkRemoved--

I still love Pittsburgh

[Nelson]

https://www.law.upenn.edu/careers/emplo ... istics.php

I don't know enough about clerkships to distinguish the federal from the state/local ones..

Here is the ABA sheet.

https://www.law.upenn.edu/live/files/30 ... tisticspdf

59.8% + 9.3% = 69.1%

Cotiger, correct me if I'm wrong

Dat Philadelphia market contraction...

[04102014]

http://www.law.nyu.edu/sites/default/fi ... duates.pdf

NYU

58.3% + 8.8% = 67.1%

[kaiser]

http://www.law.nyu.edu/sites/default/fi ... duates.pdf

NYU

58.3% + 8.8% = 67.1%

Just came across these numbers as well, and came up with the same percentages. Unsurprising that NYU also had higher % of public interest placement than any of the other top schools aside from Yale.

[jenesaislaw]

http://www.law.nyu.edu/sites/default/fi ... duates.pdf

NYU

58.3% + 8.8% = 67.1%

Just came across these numbers as well, and came up with the same percentages. Unsurprising that NYU also had higher % of public interest placement than any of the other top schools aside from Yale.

Worth noting that it's very likely that 40% of the public service placement (Gov't or PI) came from school-funded positions.