2014 Rankings Released Forum

[Lord Randolph McDuff]

According to last years rankings, the following data is recorded for employed at graduation: (.04 of the methodology)

upper T1 schools: (went through rank #51 cuz arbitrary cutoffs are arbitrary)

CU- 57%
UF- 51%
Wake-52%
UNC- 51%
Hastings- 40%
Pepperdine- 51%
SMU 59%
Baylor 50%
Tulane 42%

compared to other upper T1 schools: (included Arizona St and UW cuz they really are upper T1 schools)

American 69%
Utah 75%
Maryland 83%
Mason 90%
UGA 83%
Davis 83%
Arizona St. 83% (98% overall, lol)
OSU 83%
UW 88%
FSU 75%

I call bullshit a thousand times over. No way 83% of UGA grads, 90% of Mason grads, or 88% of UW grads are walking out of law school with a real job offer in this environment. Clearly the second group is shamelessly gaming the rankings in a way the first group either refuses to or hasn't figured out how to do. Just look at peer schools in the same state. FSU at 75% but UF at 51%? Hastings at 40% but Davis at 83%? Fuck off. This should be talked about a lot more on this board. 4% of the ranking methodology is nuthing to sneeze at, and schools that may actually be telling the truth-- baylor, tulane, are getting shit on by the arizona states of the world.

Anyone know how they exactly come up with the employed at graduation reports? Srry this was a rushed shitty post btw, not a lot of time.

[PRgradBYU]

According to last years rankings, the following data is recorded for employed at graduation: (.04 of the methodology)

upper T1 schools: (went through rank #51 cuz arbitrary cutoffs are arbitrary)

CU- 57%
UF- 51%
Wake-52%
UNC- 51%
Hastings- 40%
Pepperdine- 51%
SMU 59%
Baylor 50%
Tulane 42%

compared to other upper T1 schools: (included Arizona St and UW cuz they really are upper T1 schools)

American 69%
Utah 75%
Maryland 83%
Mason 90%
UGA 83%
Davis 83%
Arizona St. 83% (98% overall, lol)
OSU 83%
UW 88%
FSU 75%

I call bullshit a thousand times over. No way 83% of UGA grads, 90% of Mason grads, or 88% of UW grads are walking out of law school with a real job offer in this environment. Clearly the second group is shamelessly gaming the rankings in a way the first group either refuses to or hasn't figured out how to do. Just look at peer schools in the same state. FSU at 75% but UF at 51%? Hastings at 40% but Davis at 83%? Fuck off. This should be talked about a lot more on this board. 4% of the ranking methodology is nuthing to sneeze at, and schools that may actually be telling the truth-- baylor, tulane, are getting shit on by the arizona states of the world.

Anyone know how they exactly come up with the employed at graduation reports? Srry this was a rushed shitty post btw, not a lot of time.

Mason at 90%? SERIOUSLY? I swear I'm becoming more and more convinced that non-T14 law schools are nothing more than glorified scam artists...

[cooldude87]

Ican'twaitforthesetocomeoutI'msoexcited!

[Crowing]

IIRC the gap last year in score between NYU and PVB (92 vs. 87) was greater than the gap between S and NYU (96 vs. 92). There was a 1 point gap between each spot from S to N.

So... Y/S/CLS?

[Lord Randolph McDuff]

But no one knows how career service office's calculate employed at graduation? Also that metric is so lacking on its face.. where I want to work after law school doesn't hire until after bar passage.

[20141023]

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[banjo]

IIRC the gap last year in score between NYU and PVB (92 vs. 87) was greater than the gap between S and NYU (96 vs. 92). There was a 1 point gap between each spot from S to N.

So... Y/S/CLS?

Where can you find the raw scores that you're referring to?

They've been posted a couple times in random threads: http://i.imgur.com/58ayG.png

eta: As much as I claim I don't care about USNWR, I could probably reproduce that chart by memory. It's sad.

[20141023]

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[20130312]

IIRC the gap last year in score between NYU and PVB (92 vs. 87) was greater than the gap between S and NYU (96 vs. 92). There was a 1 point gap between each spot from S to N.

So... Y/S/CLS?

Where can you find the raw scores that you're referring to?

They've been posted a couple times in random threads: http://i.imgur.com/58ayG.png

eta: As much as I claim I don't care about USNWR, I could probably reproduce that chart by memory. It's sad.

Fucking lol'd at the last column.

[gaud]

ASU employment % going up to 99%! Just you wait

[20141023]

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[jrsbaseball5]

Jumping in here for the waiting game

[shoeshine]

That droves meme is getting old.

Also, employers do pay attention to rankings. Not the small moves that happen year to year but multi-year trends for sure.

[04102014]

It will bother me if UVA (17% school funded) is ranked ahead of Michigan (3% school funded) again.

[Mal Reynolds]

That droves meme is getting old.

Also, employers do pay attention to rankings. Not the small moves that happen year to year but multi-year trends for sure.

Is that what they told you at your SA?

[20141023]

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[04102014]

It will bother me if UVA (17% school funded) is ranked ahead of Michigan (3% school funded) again.

But if you look at the numbers I posted above, even if you subtracted the 17% from UVA and the 3% from Michigan, UVA is still ahead of Michigan when it comes to employment rates (84.14% versus 83.61%).

Aren't those stats for the michigan class who was told to bid heavily on Chicago, even though we now know that's a crazy strategy? I'm willing to bet that, excluding school-funded jobs, the c/o 2012 michigan job stats will outperform UVA.

[Tom Joad]

If my school drops 1 place, I will drop out.

[run26.2]

most fascinating part of the methodology is the peer review and lawyers and judges score. wtf. first of all, who decides who gets these surveys? second, how the fuck do you rate schools based on 1 to 5? at least make it 1 to 10 and allow for half scores. ridiculous. this score counts for like 40% of the rankings, and there is no way to even reform it and make it less than horse-shit.

This is actually a really interesting point. This is a place where USN could really massage the data. A few ways come to mind, including selecting who gets the surveys based on school, tracking how/whether particular individuals respond, etc. I'm sure these are supposed to be anonymous... Is the US News' data collection or calculation process audited?

[20141023]

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[PRgradBYU]

If my school drops 1 place, I will drop out.

You'd better. I'm waiting for the rankings to come out before I commit to a school...

[Davidbentley]

If my school drops 1 place, I will drop out.

+1

[wannabelawstudent]

So the idea is to just apply to every school you can and go to the highest ranked school right?

[ManoftheHour]

So the idea is to just apply to every school you can and go to the highest ranked school right?

That's the idea. Even though I'm from Cali and want to work in LA, I'd choose Vandy over USC because 16th is better than 18th.

[Crowing]

So the idea is to just apply to every school you can and go to the highest ranked schoolattend ASU if accepted right?

FTFY