2010-2011 Helmholtz Rankings - Every School Forum

[Lieut Kaffee]

I suspect that you may be a law review editor in the making. Just beware, however, that the English legal system was based upon charging for each word.

Excellent. I can be very wordy if the need arises.

[drdolittle]

Helmholtz, have you though about a career at USNWR?

[CanadianWolf]

Also good to remember that in a town with only one lawyer, the lawyer will starve; but in a town with two lawyers, they each will thrive.

[existenz]

Is there any way to get clerkship data for T1 schools.

I propose a Desert Fox ranking.

1/4 NLJ250
1/8 clerkship data
1/16 academic placement
1/16 % in PI
1/4 GPA
1/4 LSAT

I'm guessing Yale would not be #1 in the DF list, since their very weak NLJ250 placement would not be offset by their stellar clerkship placement, academic placement or their superior LSAT/GPA medians. Stanford was #3 in NLJ250 and #2 in federal clerkships last year (compared to Yale's #18 and #1, Harvard's #11 and #3).

In fact I'd guess that the ranking might even look something like this:

1. Stanford
2. Harvard
3. Yale
4. Columbia
5. Chicago

Are there any accurate lists of PI placement? Also, how is academic placement calculated since so few law school grads go right into academia after graduation?

[Mickey Quicknumbers]

Is there any way to get clerkship data for T1 schools.

I propose a Desert Fox ranking.

1/4 NLJ250
1/8 clerkship data
1/16 academic placement
1/16 % in PI
1/4 GPA
1/4 LSAT

Does this count?

http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... =1&t=75513

[Mickey Quicknumbers]

and Hemholtz, if it brings you any peace, i've showed your rankings from last year to some of my friends to explain why going to Nova Southeastern, Florida Gulf Coastal, and Barry are miserably bad ideas.

[doinmybest]

Hmm I like this. Keep experimenting, I'm sure once you get the forumla right we can get Mich into the T3

[showNprove]

It's not a bad start, but you definitely need to find ways to get employment in there. That would probably push Michigan/Virginia ahead of Berkeley and Northwestern ahead of Cornell/Georgetown.

[Borhas]

my school improved in the helmholtz rankings thus they are a paragon of legitimate law-penis metrics

[Helmholtz]

Every school now listed.

[ram jam]

Finally a ranking that captures University of Florida's standing in comparison to other schools. There is no way in reality that Indiana Bloomington is 20 spots ahead of UF in terms of quality, etc.

[CanadianWolf]

showNprove:
Not sure how you arrived at that conclusion. the most recently released NLJ survey--which does not include judicial clerkships--revealed:

1) Northwestern
2) Columbia
3) Stanford
4) Chicago
5) Virginia
6) Michigan
7) Penn
NYU
9) Berkeley
10) Duke

11) Harvard
12) Vanderbilt
13) Georgetown
14) Cornell
15) USC
16) Texas
17) UCLA
18) Yale
19) Boston College
20) Boston University
21) GWU
22) Fordham
23) Notre Dame
24) WashUStL

[Panther7]

Every school now listed.

mind sharing your excel file? (pm is fine)

[Helmholtz]

Every school now listed.

mind sharing your excel file? (pm is fine)

Included in OP.

[trialjunky]

These are great, thanks Helmholtz!

[Blindmelon]

BU = T-25 Secure.

[Helmholtz]

Showed the score difference from last year's Helmholtz Rankings.

[Danteshek]

Showed the score difference from last year's Helmholtz Rankings.

why did every school's score go up? maybe you can standardize the score change in percentage terms

[Helmholtz]

Showed the score difference from last year's Helmholtz Rankings.

why did every school's score go up? maybe you can standardize the score change in percentage terms

Almost every school's score went up because the numbers game gets more competitive every year. It is pretty much impossible to actually find a school who experienced a drop in numbers, especially when the cycle was as competitive as the last one was. Schools rise in the rankings not merely because they raise their numbers, but because they raise them more than their peers. The scores are basically indexed to Yale, which can't really go up much farther (there are only so many 173/3.9+s out there). For the score increases, it's not really that useful to see how Columbia gained in comparison to Mercer, for example, but it is useful to see how Chicago rose compared to NYU or UCLA vs. Vanderbilt since their numbers are close. It's pretty much just as difficult for Chicago to gain a full point as it would be for NYU to do so.

[toolfan]

I think you're on to something.

[20160810]

Subtle UC HasTTTings trolling

[danidancer]

This is great! Thanks Helm!

[Mickey Quicknumbers]

Spam, thank you for unintentionally bringing back these old memories.