Yeah, I dunno. Obviously I can't prove it, but the arguments are eerily similar and he made a very assertive post as post #1, something that first-time posters usually won't do.dbt wrote:well if it is a Kurama alt i appreciate the shift in assertiveness. the new Kurama is no longer blatantly bashing NYU based on his authoritative 0L knowledge.crackberry wrote:I'm actually pretty sure Hiei is a Kurama alt (I think he was banned, which would explain why he has to keep making new sns). He uses the same arguments, etc.
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I haven't visited U of Chicago yet, but I have visited NYU. The area NYU is in is obviously much safer, but personally for me I didn't like how NYU is lacking a real campus feel. There is no quad, there are tons of non NYU peeps just walking through all the time, lots of pan handlers around etc. I do like the fact that Chicago is actually a real college campus in a city.
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Never really did. Many just had no objectivity about the school and whenever someone even hinted that it might be something other than what you expected you flipped out. The only thing I have ever said--and will ever say--about NYU in terms of it's placement ability is that this website get's a bit out of hand with the whole "top 6" thing and it's idea that NYU has stronger job prospects than MBVP that was never based on anything other than US News overall rank.dbt wrote:well if it is a Kurama alt i appreciate the shift in assertiveness. the new Kurama is no longer blatantly bashing NYU based on his authoritative 0L knowledge.crackberry wrote:I'm actually pretty sure Hiei is a Kurama alt (I think he was banned, which would explain why he has to keep making new sns). He uses the same arguments, etc.
The other thing is that a lot of the people flipping out about posters saying that NYU was really on a par with say Michigan, is that a lot of them were in September of their 1L year and were calling everyone else 0L's. It's kind of akin to a kid fingering a chick and then bashing everyone else who gives comments on dating for being virgins. And to be fair I never saw any 2L's or 3L's particiapting in that when people would say NYU wasn't really any stronger than MBVP outside of NYC--which always made me even more suspicous about the whole NYU being stronger than MBVP thing.
By the way I just checked out some threads and like 20 posters started figuring out that the whole TLS CCN thing was off when they saw new placement stats, and then almost every person who loves NYU started insulting those posters and calling them "trolls"-- lol I gotta say it was pretty hilarious.
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I am impressed with my own detective work.
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haha well his latest post confirms it. nice job!crackberry wrote:Yeah, I dunno. Obviously I can't prove it, but the arguments are eerily similar and he made a very assertive post as post #1, something that first-time posters usually won't do.dbt wrote:well if it is a Kurama alt i appreciate the shift in assertiveness. the new Kurama is no longer blatantly bashing NYU based on his authoritative 0L knowledge.crackberry wrote:I'm actually pretty sure Hiei is a Kurama alt (I think he was banned, which would explain why he has to keep making new sns). He uses the same arguments, etc.
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crackberry wrote:I am impressed with my own detective work.
Come on man detective work? Mr. Magoo could have figured that shit out. lol Well maybe not based on the comments because a lot of people have started figuring that out after looking at the employment stats, but the name and everything else.....
On a somewhat related note Chicago's admissons office isn't nearly as friendly as NYU's--I found the latter to be very friendly.
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Well to be fair, I have no idea what the name connection is between kurama and hiei, but also I cracked the case after your first substantial post.Hiei wrote:crackberry wrote:I am impressed with my own detective work.
Come on man detective work? Mr. Magoo could have figured that shit out. lol Well maybe not based on the comments because a lot of people have started figuring that out after looking at the employment stats, but the name and everything else.....
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NYU is a very friendly place; students, administration, professors, etc. I found Chicago to be distant/non-responsive (and I had auto-admit numbers). Just one of the many non-data factors to take into consideration should you have the option. Good luck!Hiei wrote:crackberry wrote:I am impressed with my own detective work.
Come on man detective work? Mr. Magoo could have figured that shit out. lol Well maybe not based on the comments because a lot of people have started figuring that out after looking at the employment stats, but the name and everything else.....
On a somewhat related note Chicago's admissons office isn't nearly as friendly as NYU's--I found the latter to be very friendly.
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http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... =1&t=52605
This is what I meant to post before in my EDIT. This is a pretty nice representation of the fact that reputation-wise NYU comes in a step behind CC.
Glad to see Kurama back, although I'm not sure how long this alt will last.
This is what I meant to post before in my EDIT. This is a pretty nice representation of the fact that reputation-wise NYU comes in a step behind CC.
Glad to see Kurama back, although I'm not sure how long this alt will last.
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I've heard this a few times on tls but I have to say I had the complete opposite experience. I found NYU's office non-communicative, distant, and unhelpful while I found Chicago's office friendly, interested, and responsive. My numbers were definitely not auto-admit.dbt wrote:NYU is a very friendly place; students, administration, professors, etc. I found Chicago to be distant/non-responsive (and I had auto-admit numbers). Just one of the many non-data factors to take into consideration should you have the option. Good luck!Hiei wrote:crackberry wrote:I am impressed with my own detective work.
Come on man detective work? Mr. Magoo could have figured that shit out. lol Well maybe not based on the comments because a lot of people have started figuring that out after looking at the employment stats, but the name and everything else.....
On a somewhat related note Chicago's admissons office isn't nearly as friendly as NYU's--I found the latter to be very friendly.
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Any discussion about PI is retarded if you don't consider LRAP. LRAP should be one of the major factors in the decision of anyone considering PI.tintin wrote:disregarding the question of LRAP, is chicago really that much worse for PI?
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Not if the parents (or grandparents, whatever) are paying for LS.ToTransferOrNot wrote:Any discussion about PI is retarded if you don't consider LRAP. LRAP should be one of the major factors in the decision of anyone considering PI.tintin wrote:disregarding the question of LRAP, is chicago really that much worse for PI?
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Crack...you're to clever for your own good sometimescrackberry wrote:Not if the parents (or grandparents, whatever) are paying for LS.ToTransferOrNot wrote:Any discussion about PI is retarded if you don't consider LRAP. LRAP should be one of the major factors in the decision of anyone considering PI.tintin wrote:disregarding the question of LRAP, is chicago really that much worse for PI?
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/cue populism: Anyone in this situation isn't actually going to care about PI for long once they realize that it won't pay for a yacht. Unless, of course, they're also trust fund kids, in which case I suggest cyanide anyway. Or international public human rights space bunny law--don't take jobs from people who actually need them;)crackberry wrote:Not if the parents (or grandparents, whatever) are paying for LS.ToTransferOrNot wrote:Any discussion about PI is retarded if you don't consider LRAP. LRAP should be one of the major factors in the decision of anyone considering PI.tintin wrote:disregarding the question of LRAP, is chicago really that much worse for PI?
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Just playing devil's advocate. Something we should all be getting used to.TheWire wrote:Crack...you're to clever for your own good sometimescrackberry wrote:Not if the parents (or grandparents, whatever) are paying for LS.ToTransferOrNot wrote:Any discussion about PI is retarded if you don't consider LRAP. LRAP should be one of the major factors in the decision of anyone considering PI.tintin wrote:disregarding the question of LRAP, is chicago really that much worse for PI?
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Wait, so the only people who care about PI are those who will be paying their own way? Hmm, that's an interesting conclusion to draw.ToTransferOrNot wrote:/cue populism: Anyone in this situation isn't actually going to care about PI for long once they realize that it won't pay for a yacht. Unless, of course, they're also trust fund kids, in which case I suggest cyanide anyway. Or international public human rights space bunny law--don't take jobs from people who actually need them;)
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I have never met someone whose parents are still hand-holding them post-undergrad who cares enough about PI to forego the life of privilege that they knew growing up. (Not to mention that I have an aversion to generational wealth that is pretty well-known around here.) OTOH, people who have actually worked for what they have in life may actually feel that they should give something back. May.crackberry wrote:Wait, so the only people who care about PI are those who will be paying their own way? Hmm, that's an interesting conclusion to draw.ToTransferOrNot wrote:/cue populism: Anyone in this situation isn't actually going to care about PI for long once they realize that it won't pay for a yacht. Unless, of course, they're also trust fund kids, in which case I suggest cyanide anyway. Or international public human rights space bunny law--don't take jobs from people who actually need them;)
Anecdotal evidence is anecdotal evidence, though--I thought the tone in my quoted post made clear that I'm not making any great claim of truth. That said, we have a joke about PI folks at UChicago. We hold a PILF auction to raise funds for 2Ls and 3Ls who are going in to PI--more than likely, the people running the auction outnumber the people who actually care about the grants.
This only holds true for the jobs people want, though. Of course, there are going to be lots of people in PI who don't want to be in PI;)
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Eh, you may be right, but there are plenty of examples of people who grew up in wealthy families and yet ended up becoming dedicated public servants (both Roosevelts, JFK, etc.). Clearly I have no idea how much "hand-holding" their parents did, but I find the claim that those who come from wealthy families are inherently anti-public service somewhat offensive. I suppose if your claim rests solely on the hand-holding post-UG thing, that's another story, but I'm sure there are serious counterexamples to your argument.
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It isn't so much an "argument," as it is an observation from a crabby poor who is surrounded by people with serious entitlement issues.crackberry wrote:Eh, you may be right, but there are plenty of examples of people who grew up in wealthy families and yet ended up becoming dedicated public servants (both Roosevelts, JFK, etc.). Clearly I have no idea how much "hand-holding" their parents did, but I find the claim that those who come from wealthy families are inherently anti-public service somewhat offensive. I suppose if your claim rests solely on the hand-holding post-UG thing, that's another story, but I'm sure there are serious counterexamples to your argument.
Also, you'll notice that I specifically had a trust-fund kid exception in there. People who can live an oppulent life while being dedicated public servants due to a trust fund aren't giving up anything by being in public service, aside from an even more oppulent life.
I'm more referring to the people who grew up in considerable wealth, but don't have enough generational wealth that they would be able to maintain that kind of lifestyle if they went in to PI. Those are the folks who are truly "giving something up" by going in to PI--and I have never, ever met one of these people.
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Ok, well I plan to be one of those people. My mom definitely COULD pay for my law school, but she's not going to. I'll be taking out loans and going into environmental law. I guess that means I don't really qualify under this metric, because I am in fact paying for school myself, but I will not be making very much $$ after school — certainly not as much as either of my parents made/makes.ToTransferOrNot wrote:It isn't so much an "argument," as it is an observation from a crabby poor who is surrounded by people with serious entitlement issues.crackberry wrote:Eh, you may be right, but there are plenty of examples of people who grew up in wealthy families and yet ended up becoming dedicated public servants (both Roosevelts, JFK, etc.). Clearly I have no idea how much "hand-holding" their parents did, but I find the claim that those who come from wealthy families are inherently anti-public service somewhat offensive. I suppose if your claim rests solely on the hand-holding post-UG thing, that's another story, but I'm sure there are serious counterexamples to your argument.
Also, you'll notice that I specifically had a trust-fund kid exception in there. People who can live an oppulent life while being dedicated public servants due to a trust fund aren't giving up anything by being in public service, aside from an even more oppulent life.
I'm more referring to the people who grew up in considerable wealth, but don't have enough generational wealth that they would be able to maintain that kind of lifestyle if they went in to PI. Those are the folks who are truly "giving something up" by going in to PI--and I have never, ever met one of these people.
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there's something else to this though. There's a certain freedom that comes with the assurance that if things every went really wrong you could count on your parents to bail you out (in the most dire of $$ circumstances). You might be foregoing an opulent lifestyle but you still have that financial assurance / the eventual expectation of inheritance.crackberry wrote:Ok, well I plan to be one of those people. My mom definitely COULD pay for my law school, but she's not going to. I'll be taking out loans and going into environmental law. I guess that means I don't really qualify under this metric, because I am in fact paying for school myself, but I will not be making very much $$ after school — certainly not as much as either of my parents made/makes.ToTransferOrNot wrote:It isn't so much an "argument," as it is an observation from a crabby poor who is surrounded by people with serious entitlement issues.crackberry wrote:Eh, you may be right, but there are plenty of examples of people who grew up in wealthy families and yet ended up becoming dedicated public servants (both Roosevelts, JFK, etc.). Clearly I have no idea how much "hand-holding" their parents did, but I find the claim that those who come from wealthy families are inherently anti-public service somewhat offensive. I suppose if your claim rests solely on the hand-holding post-UG thing, that's another story, but I'm sure there are serious counterexamples to your argument.
Also, you'll notice that I specifically had a trust-fund kid exception in there. People who can live an oppulent life while being dedicated public servants due to a trust fund aren't giving up anything by being in public service, aside from an even more oppulent life.
I'm more referring to the people who grew up in considerable wealth, but don't have enough generational wealth that they would be able to maintain that kind of lifestyle if they went in to PI. Those are the folks who are truly "giving something up" by going in to PI--and I have never, ever met one of these people.
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I don't see the contest here unless this was a humorous thread.
Chicago of course.
Chicago of course.
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Yeah, I'm not going to dignify this with much of a response. You're right; my mom is not going to let me fall into abject poverty unless it's a product of my own doing. That said, the idea that I have any sort of "expectation of inheritance" is an outrageous thing for you to say to me. You have no idea who I am.agentzer0 wrote:there's something else to this though. There's a certain freedom that comes with the assurance that if things every went really wrong you could count on your parents to bail you out (in the most dire of $$ circumstances). You might be foregoing an opulent lifestyle but you still have that financial assurance / the eventual expectation of inheritance.
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Crackberry, you went to STANFORD for CRYING OUT LOUD. OF COURSE you have a TRUST FUND.crackberry wrote:Yeah, I'm not going to dignify this with much of a response. You're right; my mom is not going to let me fall into abject poverty unless it's a product of my own doing. That said, the idea that I have any sort of "expectation of inheritance" is an outrageous thing for you to say to me. You have no idea who I am.agentzer0 wrote:there's something else to this though. There's a certain freedom that comes with the assurance that if things every went really wrong you could count on your parents to bail you out (in the most dire of $$ circumstances). You might be foregoing an opulent lifestyle but you still have that financial assurance / the eventual expectation of inheritance.
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Did you take out loans for Stanford too?crackberry wrote:Yeah, I'm not going to dignify this with much of a response. You're right; my mom is not going to let me fall into abject poverty unless it's a product of my own doing. That said, the idea that I have any sort of "expectation of inheritance" is an outrageous thing for you to say to me. You have no idea who I am.agentzer0 wrote:there's something else to this though. There's a certain freedom that comes with the assurance that if things every went really wrong you could count on your parents to bail you out (in the most dire of $$ circumstances). You might be foregoing an opulent lifestyle but you still have that financial assurance / the eventual expectation of inheritance.
crackberry wrote: My mom definitely COULD pay for my law school
When I said expectation of inheritance what I meant is your financial solvency is assured by your parents (if they were to die this assurance would come in the form of inheritance).
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