Class of 2016 Employment Statistics by School Forum

[curry1]

New York legal market is MUCH larger than Chicago. Cornell is known as a NYC feeder for applicants that usually DONT/CANT get into Columbia and nyu

Meanwhile, umich matriculate CAN get into northwestern usually and pick Michigan this sort of self selecting out of the Chicago market. Not that many much grads end up in Chicago. If they wanted hicsgo you'd just call them NU GRADS.

So, the case for Michigan is that students choose it because they don't want to work in NY or Chicago? Interesting.

They're all just humble Michiganders who want to work in Grand Rapids or (insert random town on Upper Peninsula) rather than head to Chicago/NYC with all the city slickers and crime.

[Fiddlesticks]

New York legal market is MUCH larger than Chicago. Cornell is known as a NYC feeder for applicants that usually DONT/CANT get into Columbia and nyu

Meanwhile, umich matriculate CAN get into northwestern usually and pick Michigan this sort of self selecting out of the Chicago market. Not that many much grads end up in Chicago. If they wanted hicsgo you'd just call them NU GRADS.

So, the case for Michigan is that students choose it because they don't want to work in NY or Chicago? Interesting.

Pretty sure that's not what his/her argument is...

[proteinshake]

New York legal market is MUCH larger than Chicago. Cornell is known as a NYC feeder for applicants that usually DONT/CANT get into Columbia and nyu

Meanwhile, umich matriculate CAN get into northwestern usually and pick Michigan this sort of self selecting out of the Chicago market. Not that many much grads end up in Chicago. If they wanted hicsgo you'd just call them NU GRADS.

So, the case for Michigan is that students choose it because they don't want to work in NY or Chicago? Interesting.

They're all just humble Michiganders who want to work in Grand Rapids or (insert random town on Upper Peninsula) rather than head to Chicago/NYC with all the city slickers and crime.

sad excuses! the DPV tier has arrived.

[Pragmatic Gun]

The geographical distribution of Mich grads is so spread out.

[redsoxfan1989]

New York legal market is MUCH larger than Chicago. Cornell is known as a NYC feeder for applicants that usually DONT/CANT get into Columbia and nyu

Meanwhile, umich matriculate CAN get into northwestern usually and pick Michigan this sort of self selecting out of the Chicago market. Not that many much grads end up in Chicago. If they wanted hicsgo you'd just call them NU GRADS.

So, the case for Michigan is that students choose it because they don't want to work in NY or Chicago? Interesting.

They're all just humble Michiganders who want to work in Grand Rapids or (insert random town on Upper Peninsula) rather than head to Chicago/NYC with all the city slickers and crime.

sad excuses! the DPVC tier has arrived.

FTFY

[Johann]

Charlottesville to D.C. Is 2.5 hours; Durham to dc is 4 hours and atlanta is 6. Just a poor argument

It takes a little bit of "imagination" or creativity that you presumably lack to understand feeder markets aren't quite as literal as driving time.

I'm providing some input as someone who is familiar with Chicago biglaw recruiting and hiring criteria. Michigan and NU and UC are viewed as equals to many Chicago based firms. Every year we lose people that we offer to less prestigious Michigan grads. I'm just here to reassure people that want to go to Michigan that it's a highly regarded in the legal community and much of its rankings are due to a different legal economy and self selection.

If you don't believe me, perhaps go ask the partner taking questions at a V15 firm how he regards Michigan relative to northwestern or Cornell.

[Fiddlesticks]

The geographical distribution of Mich grads is so spread out.

That's interesting. At least 1 person in 35 States. Considerable percentage going to NY, DC, Illinois, CA, Michigan and Texas.

[curry1]

New York legal market is MUCH larger than Chicago. Cornell is known as a NYC feeder for applicants that usually DONT/CANT get into Columbia and nyu

Meanwhile, umich matriculate CAN get into northwestern usually and pick Michigan this sort of self selecting out of the Chicago market. Not that many much grads end up in Chicago. If they wanted hicsgo you'd just call them NU GRADS.

So, the case for Michigan is that students choose it because they don't want to work in NY or Chicago? Interesting.

They're all just humble Michiganders who want to work in Grand Rapids or (insert random town on Upper Peninsula) rather than head to Chicago/NYC with all the city slickers and crime.

sad excuses! the DPVC tier has arrived.

FTFY

The C being Columbia

[proteinshake]

New York legal market is MUCH larger than Chicago. Cornell is known as a NYC feeder for applicants that usually DONT/CANT get into Columbia and nyu

Meanwhile, umich matriculate CAN get into northwestern usually and pick Michigan this sort of self selecting out of the Chicago market. Not that many much grads end up in Chicago. If they wanted hicsgo you'd just call them NU GRADS.

So, the case for Michigan is that students choose it because they don't want to work in NY or Chicago? Interesting.

They're all just humble Michiganders who want to work in Grand Rapids or (insert random town on Upper Peninsula) rather than head to Chicago/NYC with all the city slickers and crime.

sad excuses! the DPVC tier has arrived.

FTFY

The C being Columbia

DPVCCCN?

[curry1]

New York legal market is MUCH larger than Chicago. Cornell is known as a NYC feeder for applicants that usually DONT/CANT get into Columbia and nyu

Meanwhile, umich matriculate CAN get into northwestern usually and pick Michigan this sort of self selecting out of the Chicago market. Not that many much grads end up in Chicago. If they wanted hicsgo you'd just call them NU GRADS.

So, the case for Michigan is that students choose it because they don't want to work in NY or Chicago? Interesting.

They're all just humble Michiganders who want to work in Grand Rapids or (insert random town on Upper Peninsula) rather than head to Chicago/NYC with all the city slickers and crime.

sad excuses! the DPVC tier has arrived.

FTFY

The C being Columbia

DPVCCCN?

HYSChicago, DVPNCC, MBN

[cannibal ox]

As long as we're doing tiers...

WUSTL

Get it? Cause UT is gonna be at 45%

[jbagelboy]

The C being Columbia

DPVCCCN?

HYSChicago, DVPNCC, MBN

What leads you to presume Columbia's numbers will fall into the second category?

Historically its always been SHCC (Yale is an outlier but for its own reasons) in their own tier in terms of BL+FC with Penn as occasionally joining. Columbia has often been in the top position.

[curry1]

The C being Columbia

DPVCCCN?

HYSChicago, DVPNCC, MBN

What leads you to presume Columbia's numbers will fall into the second category?

Historically its always been SHCC (Yale is an outlier but for its own reasons) in their own tier in terms of BL+FC with Penn as occasionally joining. Columbia has often been in the top position.

I'm just trolling, I really think it's more like Y S HCC. I do think that Chicago offers better access to academia/clerkships that can't be attributed to self-selection.

[star fox]

The C being Columbia

DPVCCCN?

HYSChicago, DVPNCC, MBN

What leads you to presume Columbia's numbers will fall into the second category?

Historically its always been SHCC (Yale is an outlier but for its own reasons) in their own tier in terms of BL+FC with Penn as occasionally joining. Columbia has often been in the top position.

I'm just trolling, I really think it's more like Y S HCC. I do think that Chicago offers better access to academia/clerkships that can't be attributed to self-selection.

It's all those damn right wing FedSoc connections (by which I mean Chicago is 10 % right wing instead of 5 %)

[curry1]

The C being Columbia

DPVCCCN?

HYSChicago, DVPNCC, MBN

What leads you to presume Columbia's numbers will fall into the second category?

Historically its always been SHCC (Yale is an outlier but for its own reasons) in their own tier in terms of BL+FC with Penn as occasionally joining. Columbia has often been in the top position.

I'm just trolling, I really think it's more like Y S HCC. I do think that Chicago offers better access to academia/clerkships that can't be attributed to self-selection.

It's all those damn right wing FedSoc connections (by which I mean Chicago is 10 % right wing instead of 5 %)

10% = conservative by law school liberals' definition.

[RParadela]

UVA, Duke, and Penn need to be elevated into CCN tier. It's now YSH, CCNDPV and then NCMB.

[thereelfeels]

Pitt - 16.6% (+2.9%)

http://law.pitt.edu/sites/default/files ... f_2016.pdf

[Tiny Rick!]

UChicago throwing up some TTT numbers.

[star fox]

Is this NU disaster enough to knock JB Pritzker out of the Governor race?

[nimbus cloud]

UVA, Duke, and Penn need to be elevated into CCN tier. It's now YSH, CCNDPV and then NCMB.

How is H in the same league as Y?

[Lincoln]

It's almost like major metropolitan areas have different job opportunities than large towns and tiny commuter cities.

Durham, Charlottesville, and Ithaca are all decisively larger cities than Ann Arbor and closer to a major metro area than Ann Arbor? What?

Your argument about students self-selecting into a state school is a real stretch, too

The population of Ithaca is 1/4 of that of Ann Arbor. Ithaca is 4.5 hrs from NYC whereas Ann Arbor is 4 hrs from Chicago and 1 hour from Detroit.

There are facts in favor of the argument that Cornell has a "home market" whereas Michigan does not, but this is not one of them.

[yost]

It's almost like major metropolitan areas have different job opportunities than large towns and tiny commuter cities.

Durham, Charlottesville, and Ithaca are all decisively larger cities than Ann Arbor and closer to a major metro area than Ann Arbor? What?

Your argument about students self-selecting into a state school is a real stretch, too

The population of Ithaca is 1/4 of that of Ann Arbor. Ithaca is 4.5 hrs from NYC whereas Ann Arbor is 4 hrs from Chicago and 1 hour from Detroit.

There are facts in favor of the argument that Cornell has a "home market" whereas Michigan does not, but this is not one of them.

Yes, and that argument is that Michigan sent ~20% of its class to NY last year, and ~10% each to Chicago, Michigan, California, and DC. I don't think there's another school that has such a wide distribution.

[Johann]

It's almost like major metropolitan areas have different job opportunities than large towns and tiny commuter cities.

Durham, Charlottesville, and Ithaca are all decisively larger cities than Ann Arbor and closer to a major metro area than Ann Arbor? What?

Your argument about students self-selecting into a state school is a real stretch, too

The population of Ithaca is 1/4 of that of Ann Arbor. Ithaca is 4.5 hrs from NYC whereas Ann Arbor is 4 hrs from Chicago and 1 hour from Detroit.

There are facts in favor of the argument that Cornell has a "home market" whereas Michigan does not, but this is not one of them.

And yet 55% of Cornell grads work in NYC while less than 10% work in Chicago.

[Pragmatic Gun]

It's almost like major metropolitan areas have different job opportunities than large towns and tiny commuter cities.

Durham, Charlottesville, and Ithaca are all decisively larger cities than Ann Arbor and closer to a major metro area than Ann Arbor? What?

Your argument about students self-selecting into a state school is a real stretch, too

The population of Ithaca is 1/4 of that of Ann Arbor. Ithaca is 4.5 hrs from NYC whereas Ann Arbor is 4 hrs from Chicago and 1 hour from Detroit.

There are facts in favor of the argument that Cornell has a "home market" whereas Michigan does not, but this is not one of them.

If you want to be precise, Cornell is actually 4 hours or less away from NYC. You will be surprised how fast the buses drive in trying to shorten trip times.

Anyway, what is the purpose of this argument? Cornell's home market is NYC. I thought this was established wisdom.

[sublime]

Damn washU. Nice. Although I wonder how much of that is smaller class size.