Class of 2015 Employment Statistics by School: #TrustTheProcess Forum

[splitterfromhell]

I see T14 shakeups discussed regularly on this site, but how likely is it that we might actually soon see a change in the T14?

[arklaw13]

I see T14 shakeups discussed regularly on this site, but how likely is it that we might actually soon see a change in the T14?

0.0%

[jnwa]

I see T14 shakeups discussed regularly on this site, but how likely is it that we might actually soon see a change in the T14?

You can see the raw score difference between school in this infographic. http://blog.spiveyconsulting.com/usnwr- ... 17-update/

Gtown is pretty close to UT and Vandy but the USNews rankings use overall employment with school funded positions weighing less not bl+fc.

[GreenEggs]

I see T14 shakeups discussed regularly on this site, but how likely is it that we might actually soon see a change in the T14?

When ad revenue goes down on USNWR's website and they need to spice something up

[BVest]

About 15% of the students are employed by GULC, damn

So 101?!?

[xz01]

About 15% of the students are employed by GULC, damn

So 101?!?

99 and most are short term

[nothingtosee]

[GreenEggs]

What are the GULC short-term positions?

[Nebby]

What are the GULC short-term positions?

9 month "entry into practice" fellowships.

[BVest]

99 and most are short term

Sorry, I back-calculated when I should have gone to the numbers.

All the same, CSO has a theme song...

99 Georgetown Law grads unemployed
99 Georgetown Law grads
Take this one here
to work at the school for a year
98 Georgetown Law grads unemployed

[Lavitz]

did Cornell really only place 3.82% in federal clerkships or am I doing something wrong? this is way lower than last year.

Yes.

It was a combination of 2 factors:

1) Class of 2015 was most affected by the hiring plan being dissolved, and at the time we didn't have a dedicated clerkship coordinator to guide anyone through it. There are actually a number of them who lined up clerkships for this Fall when they were 3Ls and thus aren't captured by these stats.

2) The Class of 2015 was generally less interested in clerking. Most of the people in positions that traditionally got them (LR senior board, moot court exec board) didn't apply. My class definitely has more people clerking than c/o 2015.

[sublime]

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[mogwli]

GULC, yeah, they sent 275 kids into Biglaw, not a terrible outcome and still impressive considering that's more than the entire class at some law schools. But 678 class size, holey freaking guacamole!! Maybe if they freaking reduced their class size a little like almost every other law school they could solidify their position in the T14 and improve their numbers. That is an ungodly number of kids, I legitimately don't know a law school with more graduates. 99 kids in school funded positions.

At this rate, Vandy and hopefully UT in the coming years (w/ reduced transfer classes) will be better choices for kids just looking to get into general biglaw regardless of market. UT already placed more into Fed Clerkships (30 vs. 24) with about 1/2 the class size.

Edit: Biglaw #, I previously just counted 500+

Edit: Really telling number. FTLT Bar passage required for GULC = 456/678, 67.2%. UT has 75.7%. Vandy has 78.9%. UCLA has 73.7%. Notre Dame has 73.7%.

[jbagelboy]

did Cornell really only place 3.82% in federal clerkships or am I doing something wrong? this is way lower than last year.

Yes.

It was a combination of 2 factors:

1) Class of 2015 was most affected by the hiring plan being dissolved, and at the time we didn't have a dedicated clerkship coordinator to guide anyone through it. There are actually a number of them who lined up clerkships for this Fall when they were 3Ls and thus aren't captured by these stats.

2) The Class of 2015 was generally less interested in clerking. Most of the people in positions that traditionally got them (LR senior board, moot court exec board) didn't apply. My class definitely has more people clerking than c/o 2015.

eh. c/o 2015 might also all be clerking in 2016.

IME the vast majority of ppl clerking from new york schools are doing it the year or two years after they graduate. 9-month out clerkship numbers are increasingly meaningless

[jbagelboy]

also fuck georgetown. un-fucking-conscionable. I really hope us news puts them behind vandy, but they're useless fucktards over there

[Lavitz]

eh. c/o 2015 might also all be clerking in 2016.

IME the vast majority of ppl clerking from new york schools are doing it the year or two years after they graduate. 9-month out clerkship numbers are increasingly meaningless

Yes, I know it's becoming increasingly meaningless and that this same phenomenon is probably happening at other schools. But I'm sure our immediately-after-graduation rate could have been higher if not for those two factors, and it will in fact be higher next year.

[Tiago Splitter]

For the most part improvements over last year and class sizes keep shrinking which is also good. However, I doubt they are near the pre recession levels especially the non t-14 schools.

Only if by pre-recession you mean 2007 and 2008. 2015 will likely beat every other year in the 100+ category.

[rpupkin]

did Cornell really only place 3.82% in federal clerkships or am I doing something wrong? this is way lower than last year.

Yes.

It was a combination of 2 factors:

1) Class of 2015 was most affected by the hiring plan being dissolved, and at the time we didn't have a dedicated clerkship coordinator to guide anyone through it. There are actually a number of them who lined up clerkships for this Fall when they were 3Ls and thus aren't captured by these stats.

I'm sorry, but this makes no sense. The hiring plan was effectively dissolved by 2012. This is just pure BS from Cornell.

[BigZuck]

I hope this thread is the final nail in the coffin for garbage schools like Cornell, Michigan, GULC, and Penn

Also: WHOO HOO VANDY AWESOME YEAH. Is it too late to transfer? I'd like to get off this sinking ship if I can.

(Seriously though: LOL Georgetown)

[UVAIce]

The sad thing is that almost everyone I know outside of the legal profession would be more impressed if I graduated from Georgetown.

But seriously, there needs to be a public shaming of GULC's administration. They have such a large class to begin with and then take oodles of transfers for the money.

[BVest]

did Cornell really only place 3.82% in federal clerkships or am I doing something wrong? this is way lower than last year.

Yes.

It was a combination of 2 factors:

1) Class of 2015 was most affected by the hiring plan being dissolved, and at the time we didn't have a dedicated clerkship coordinator to guide anyone through it. There are actually a number of them who lined up clerkships for this Fall when they were 3Ls and thus aren't captured by these stats.

I'm sorry, but this makes no sense. The hiring plan was effectively dissolved by 2012. This is just pure BS from Cornell.

It was definitely coding, but attempts to resuscitate it continued through the summer and fall of 2013 before it was officially declared dead at the beginning of 2014.

e: not to say the excuses presented are the reason Cornell placed so poorly. I suspect it had more to do with not having a dedicated clerkship coordinator at the time than any issues with the plan; that tends to be a big factor for schools.

[cron1834]

The only actually-justified schadenfreude here is for GULC. 500-some matriculants plus 100-ish transfers each class, year after year, is legit shameful.

[proteinshake]

The only actually-justified schadenfreude here is for GULC. 500-some matriculants plus 100-ish transfers each class, year after year, is legit shameful.

just learned a new word

[cron1834]

[Lavitz]

I'm sorry, but this makes no sense. The hiring plan was effectively dissolved by 2012. This is just pure BS from Cornell.

Sure, a ton of judges had moved off-plan, but Cornell students in c/o 2014 continued getting clerkships with on-plan judges during their 2L summer. But yeah, whatever, maybe that's not a compelling reason for lower clerkship numbers. Regardless, the new administration has been pushing clerkships hard, and the numbers will be up next year. I don't think they'll match c/o 2014 though.

More importantly, none of this justifies the fact that biglaw percentage didn't increase to compensate for the lower clerkship percentage. Probably fair to say c/o 2015 had less desirable outcomes than c/o 2014.