Take the money and Run; YS - CCNH? Forum

[neprep]

Life isn't "law school or bullshit"...it's just not, at all. I have gotten lucky but I have many friends who have done well too. Besides the careers I listed there's higher ed administration, healthcare, nursing, research, think tank shit, government agencies...the list goes on and on. And none of this requires more than a bachelor's degree, and many of them don't REALLY care what your degree is in.

After the cycle, I would love to just get an Ed. M., become Dean of Admissions at a law school or business school, and spend the rest of my life lording over strivers (such as myself).

[aboutmydaylight]

A lot of those jobs are as difficult if not harder to get than Big Law for the average person, and are just as temporary. The obvious benefit being you usually don't need to take on as much debt and less years of school are required for entry. By the way though, undergrad debt is a real thing, and a lot of those jobs on that list would require you to attend a school that would be charging ~50k a year in COA. Financial aid tends to be more generous in undergrad but you're kidding yourself if you think the average person can get something like IB for example without significant time/resource commitment.

I think the bigger problem is that school in general is just stupid expensive now and its return on investment is as low as its ever been on average. I expect the education bubble to burst in ~10 years or so as a lot of people realize that its no longer worth the costs/time for a random BA from a random state school.

[cotiger]

I don't think ANYONE should "toil away at mediocrity", why would I ever say that. More people succeeding expands the pie, I am all about meeting successful people, understanding how they got where they are, and paying it forward to kids trying to navigate the world. If everyone in my network was extremely successful I would be ecstatic, in part because that would mean I was succeeding with them too.

Life isn't "law school or bullshit"...it's just not, at all. I have gotten lucky but I have many friends who have done well too. Besides the careers I listed there's higher ed administration, healthcare, nursing, research, think tank shit, government agencies...the list goes on and on. And none of this requires more than a bachelor's degree, and many of them don't REALLY care what your degree is in.

Seriously. There are so many different things people do in the world. You can be successful in many different ways.

[NYSprague]

I agree that the vast vast majority of people should just accept toiling away at mediocrity in random jobs that don't lead anywhere and top out at ~60K (which is hardly a super awesome salary.. maybe coming out of school but not longterm) as opposed to taking on a ton of debt and wasting three years to do the same thing. But let's call it like it is.

180.

I never knew so many people were stick in lives that offer at best two options. I see my friends in all different types of careers and I'm sure no one told them that they had to go to law school or face mediocrity.

What do all the people I see everyday in New York or Europe do if they didn't go to law school? They must really hate the mediocrity of their lives.

[muskies970]

I don't think ANYONE should "toil away at mediocrity", why would I ever say that. More people succeeding expands the pie, I am all about meeting successful people, understanding how they got where they are, and paying it forward to kids trying to navigate the world. If everyone in my network was extremely successful I would be ecstatic, in part because that would mean I was succeeding with them too.

Life isn't "law school or bullshit"...it's just not, at all. I have gotten lucky but I have many friends who have done well too. Besides the careers I listed there's higher ed administration, healthcare, nursing, research, think tank shit, government agencies...the list goes on and on. And none of this requires more than a bachelor's degree, and many of them don't REALLY care what your degree is in.

Seriously. There are so many different things people do in the world. You can be successful in many different ways.

Do any of these other ways require less work/ less risk than law school?

[NYSprague]

I don't think ANYONE should "toil away at mediocrity", why would I ever say that. More people succeeding expands the pie, I am all about meeting successful people, understanding how they got where they are, and paying it forward to kids trying to navigate the world. If everyone in my network was extremely successful I would be ecstatic, in part because that would mean I was succeeding with them too.

Life isn't "law school or bullshit"...it's just not, at all. I have gotten lucky but I have many friends who have done well too. Besides the careers I listed there's higher ed administration, healthcare, nursing, research, think tank shit, government agencies...the list goes on and on. And none of this requires more than a bachelor's degree, and many of them don't REALLY care what your degree is in.

Seriously. There are so many different things people do in the world. You can be successful in many different ways.

Do any of these other ways require less work/ less risk than law school?

Considering how risky law school is, I'm going ahead and answer yes to that one.

[A. Nony Mouse]

They don't require spending $300k to be in school for three years.

[star fox]

I agree that the vast vast majority of people should just accept toiling away at mediocrity in random jobs that don't lead anywhere and top out at ~60K (which is hardly a super awesome salary.. maybe coming out of school but not longterm) as opposed to taking on a ton of debt and wasting three years to do the same thing. But let's call it like it is.

180.

I never knew so many people were stick in lives that offer at best two options. I see my friends in all different types of careers and I'm sure no one told them that they had to go to law school or face mediocrity.

What do all the people I see everyday in New York or Europe do if they didn't go to law school? They must really hate the mediocrity of their lives.

Most of them are probably toiling in mediocrity. It's not necessarily a bad thing, but the WIDESPREAD SUCCESS of Millennials isn't a thing.

[cotiger]

I agree that the vast vast majority of people should just accept toiling away at mediocrity in random jobs that don't lead anywhere and top out at ~60K (which is hardly a super awesome salary.. maybe coming out of school but not longterm) as opposed to taking on a ton of debt and wasting three years to do the same thing. But let's call it like it is.

180.

I never knew so many people were stick in lives that offer at best two options. I see my friends in all different types of careers and I'm sure no one told them that they had to go to law school or face mediocrity.

I have a sneaking suspicion that many people pushing this line are seniors in college or maybe one year out. That's always a really uncertain, nervous period, and all you see is people taking less than ideal jobs/internships and not the things they do after. Though these kids are graduating into a much better economy than my friends and I did, so I'm not too too sympathetic.

[NYSprague]

I agree that the vast vast majority of people should just accept toiling away at mediocrity in random jobs that don't lead anywhere and top out at ~60K (which is hardly a super awesome salary.. maybe coming out of school but not longterm) as opposed to taking on a ton of debt and wasting three years to do the same thing. But let's call it like it is.

180.

I never knew so many people were stick in lives that offer at best two options. I see my friends in all different types of careers and I'm sure no one told them that they had to go to law school or face mediocrity.

What do all the people I see everyday in New York or Europe do if they didn't go to law school? They must really hate the mediocrity of their lives.

Most of them are probably toiling in mediocrity. It's not necessarily a bad thing, but the WIDESPREAD SUCCESS of Millennials isn't a thing.

Lol. You guys are hilarious with this stuff. Ill be sure to tell my friends how mediocre their lives are because they didn't go to law school.

[sublime]

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[jbagelboy]

Most people's lives are mediocre, at best, whether they went to law school or not.

hth

We're all fucked, and most of your living moments will be horrible. Act accordingly.

[A. Nony Mouse]

Most people's lives are mediocre, at best, whether they went to law school or not.

hth

But going to law school isn't a way around that.

[sublime]

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[A. Nony Mouse]

Most people's lives are mediocre, at best, whether they went to law school or not.

hth

But going to law school isn't a way around that.

Yea, I was probably unclear, but that is what I meant by "whether they went to law school or not"

Gotcha.

[star fox]

I'm not saying that law school is a way out of mediocrity. I'm just disputing the notion that the current economy provides all sorts of great opportunities for anyone with a Bachelors and all it takes is some hustle... that's boomer BS.

[cotiger]

I don't think ANYONE should "toil away at mediocrity", why would I ever say that. More people succeeding expands the pie, I am all about meeting successful people, understanding how they got where they are, and paying it forward to kids trying to navigate the world. If everyone in my network was extremely successful I would be ecstatic, in part because that would mean I was succeeding with them too.

Life isn't "law school or bullshit"...it's just not, at all. I have gotten lucky but I have many friends who have done well too. Besides the careers I listed there's higher ed administration, healthcare, nursing, research, think tank shit, government agencies...the list goes on and on. And none of this requires more than a bachelor's degree, and many of them don't REALLY care what your degree is in.

Seriously. There are so many different things people do in the world. You can be successful in many different ways.

Do any of these other ways require less work/ less risk than law school?

Lol considering none of them went into 300k for extra degrees, yeah I'd say significantly less risk than law school. Some of them work intense hours, by those people also tend to really love what they do.

[moopness]

Most people's lives are mediocre, at best, whether they went to law school or not.

hth

^ This. LMFAO at the notion that going to a top law school and being a lawyer at an elite firm isn't mediocrity. It is.

[cotiger]

The only people who work intense hours but without really loving what they're doing are my friends in IB or consulting. But they're also making fat stacks without 300k in loans, so there's that.

[star fox]

I think I'm gonna ask my parents to take care of my loans. It'll make me less of a man, but it'll make me more rich

What if they say no?

[muskies970]

Rise proletariat.

[EquallyWrong]

Most people's lives are mediocre, at best, whether they went to law school or not.

hth

We're all fucked, and most of your living moments will be horrible. Act accordingly.

horrible is a little strong...I'd say most of your living moments being entirely forgettable is bad enough.
I think we're nearing the threshold, when the word mediocre and mediocrity gets thrown around enough, somebody (invariably a very mediocre person) will start quoting Atlas Shrugged, or at least do some heavy paraphrasing.

[Theopliske8711]

I think TLS as an existential angst forum.

[cotiger]

Most people's lives are mediocre, at best, whether they went to law school or not.

hth

We're all fucked, and most of your living moments will be horrible. Act accordingly.

horrible is a little strong...I'd say most of your living moments being entirely forgettable is bad enough.
I think we're nearing the threshold, when the word mediocre and mediocrity gets thrown around enough, somebody (invariably a very mediocre person) will start quoting Atlas Shrugged, or at least do some heavy paraphrasing.

I'd prefer some Zarathustra myself.

Eternal recurrence is legit.

[EquallyWrong]

Most people's lives are mediocre, at best, whether they went to law school or not.

hth

We're all fucked, and most of your living moments will be horrible. Act accordingly.

horrible is a little strong...I'd say most of your living moments being entirely forgettable is bad enough.
I think we're nearing the threshold, when the word mediocre and mediocrity gets thrown around enough, somebody (invariably a very mediocre person) will start quoting Atlas Shrugged, or at least do some heavy paraphrasing.

I'd prefer some Zarathustra myself.

now there's some honey I would mind being overfilled with.