Class sizes and medians (c/o 2015) Forum

[stillwater]

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[iMisto]

^ If Cornell dropped to a 167, I can't imagine them maintaining it....

[ajax]

Boston College:

Students 246 (-22)
GPA: 3.6 (-.06)
LSAT: 164 (-1)

http://www.bc.edu/content/bc/schools/la ... ofile.html

Seems odd UCLA numbers are basically unchanged, while you have schools like Cornell/BC/WUSTL taking significant hits. Yes, I know UCLA is a "better" school than BC?/WUSTL, but not by much. I smell smoke.

[ajax]

^ If Cornell dropped to a 167, I can't imagine them maintaining it....

Yes, and how did UCLA remain unchanged?

[bernaldiaz]

^ If Cornell dropped to a 167, I can't imagine them maintaining it....

Jeez BU was a 167 when BC was a 165?

[stillwater]

^ If Cornell dropped to a 167, I can't imagine them maintaining it....

Jeez BU was a 167 when BC was a 165?

Yup, with a better GPA by .06.

[iMisto]

Could this be from gaming the rankings? Maybe if you looked at the very next student at Cornell, they had a 168? .... I mean, if so, I'm sure somebody lost their job.

[bernaldiaz]

^ If Cornell dropped to a 167, I can't imagine them maintaining it....

Jeez BU was a 167 when BC was a 165?

Yup, with a better GPA by .06.

Wow that's actually a huge discrepancy for what most (rightfully, given the employment numbers) consider to be peer schools

[stillwater]

Could this be from gaming the rankings? Maybe if you looked at the very next student at Cornell, they had a 168? .... I mean, if so, I'm sure somebody lost their job.

wut

[drive4showLSAT4dough]

^ If Cornell dropped to a 167, I can't imagine them maintaining it....

Jeez BU was a 167 when BC was a 165?

Yup, with a better GPA by .06.

Wow that's actually a huge discrepancy for what most (rightfully, given the employment numbers) consider to be peer schools

BU is generally regarded in New England as the more academic of the two, whereas BC does relatively better in BigLaw. Every Boston lawyer I've spoken with says "if you want to practice in Boston, and you can't get into Harvard, go to BC." And I wouldn't call the employment numbers equal:
BC = 68% LT, FT Legal jobs
BU = 51% LT, FT Legal jobs

[iMisto]

Could this be from gaming the rankings? Maybe if you looked at the very next student at Cornell, they had a 168? .... I mean, if so, I'm sure somebody lost their job.

wut

Sorry, that was terribly unclear. I mean, if you looked at the 51rst percentile, it could be 168..

Hypothetically speaking, you could have a class of 100: persons 45-50 could have a 167, and persons 51-74 could have 168. Whoever put together the class could have been very close to maintaining median... perhaps 1 person off. Does this make any sense?

[071816]

Boston College:

Students 246 (-22)
GPA: 3.6 (-.06)
LSAT: 164 (-1)

http://www.bc.edu/content/bc/schools/la ... ofile.html

Seems odd UCLA numbers are basically unchanged, while you have schools like Cornell/BC/WUSTL taking significant hits. Yes, I know UCLA is a "better" school than BC?/WUSTL, but not by much. I smell smoke.

People want to be in Southern California. Ithaca, St. Louis, and (to a lesser extent) Boston, not so much.

[Ruxin1]

Could this be from gaming the rankings? Maybe if you looked at the very next student at Cornell, they had a 168? .... I mean, if so, I'm sure somebody lost their job.

wut

Sorry, that was terribly unclear. I mean, if you looked at the 51rst percentile, it could be 168..

Hypothetically speaking, you could have a class of 100: persons 45-50 could have a 167, and persons 51-74 could have 168. Whoever put together the class could have been very close to maintaining median... perhaps 1 person off. Does this make any sense?

They would just leave that one person off, that's what gaming the numbers means...

[iMisto]

Could this be from gaming the rankings? Maybe if you looked at the very next student at Cornell, they had a 168? .... I mean, if so, I'm sure somebody lost their job.

wut

Sorry, that was terribly unclear. I mean, if you looked at the 51rst percentile, it could be 168..

Hypothetically speaking, you could have a class of 100: persons 45-50 could have a 167, and persons 51-74 could have 168. Whoever put together the class could have been very close to maintaining median... perhaps 1 person off. Does this make any sense?

They would just leave that one person off, that's what gaming the numbers means...

... as in, not reporting them?? Even though they are attending?

I thought gaming was letting your 25/75 go crazy to maintain medians? Surely you can't leave off a person if you report having a class size of X, but not providing X number of LSAT scores... ?

[tim.janitor]

I know Georgetown's number were already posted, but here is some more information.

LSAT = 169
UGPA= 3.73 (record high)

Applications dropped 16% from the previous year. And the previous year saw a 12% drop itself!

GULC received 1,000 fewer applications. Accepted rate went up from 27% to 28%. BUT GULC admitted 385 fewer students.

*Source is The Georgetown Law Weekly

[HarlandBassett]

I know Georgetown's number were already posted, but here is some more information.

LSAT = 169
UGPA= 3.73 (record high)

grade inflation is serious. cant even take UGPA at face value anymore.

[99.9luft]

Not sure if posted already:

CLS:

Median LSAT Score 172
Average LSAT Score: 171
25/75 LSAT: 170/174

Median UGPA: 3.71
Average GPA: 3.70
25/75 GPA: 3.58/3.83

NYU:

LSAT 75th% / 25th%: 173/169
GPA 75th% / 25th%: 3.8/3.5

[VUSisterRayVU]

Not sure if posted already:

CLS:

Median LSAT Score 172
Average LSAT Score: 171
25/75 LSAT: 170/174

Median UGPA: 3.71
Average GPA: 3.70
25/75 GPA: 3.58/3.83

NYU:

LSAT 75th% / 25th%: 173/169
GPA 75th% / 25th%: 3.8/3.5

we've been fretting on just where the NYU median is 8(

[TheColonel]

http://web.law.columbia.edu/admissions/ ... ss-profile

Class size down to 368. That's a huge drop from 406.

[KevinP]

Wow @ CLS. They maintained their LSAT median (75th fell), but median GPA fell. And that's with a 9.4% decrease in class size.

ETA: Considering NYU did not reduce class size, I'm calling bullshit if they post a 172 median.

[Ti Malice]

any news on chi's medians?

Orientation isn't till Monday...if I remember correctly, they weren't reported on this site until 9/20 last year.

Wednesday actually, Monday and Tuesday are optional shit.

Lucky bastards. (Scowls at Torts casebook...)

[iamrobk]

Wow @ CLS. They maintained their LSAT median (75th fell), but median GPA fell. And that's with a 9.4% decrease in class size.

ETA: Considering NYU did not reduce class size, I'm calling bullshit if they post a 172 median.

I thought people had already said NYU's median fell to 171? Or were they just rumors (or am I crazy... quite possible)?

[TheColonel]

Wow @ CLS. They maintained their LSAT median (75th fell), but median GPA fell. And that's with a 9.4% decrease in class size.

ETA: Considering NYU did not reduce class size, I'm calling bullshit if they post a 172 median.

I thought people had already said NYU's median fell to 171? Or were they just rumors (or am I crazy... quite possible)?

Pretty sure it was rumors but it would seem to be impossible that the median stayed at 172.

Also, is there evidence that NYU was more liberal with scholarship money and maybe poached people that would have otherwise gone to CLS?

[danquayle]

Boston College:

Students 246 (-22)
GPA: 3.6 (-.06)
LSAT: 164 (-1)

http://www.bc.edu/content/bc/schools/la ... ofile.html

Seems odd UCLA numbers are basically unchanged, while you have schools like Cornell/BC/WUSTL taking significant hits. Yes, I know UCLA is a "better" school than BC?/WUSTL, but not by much. I smell smoke.

People want to be in Southern California. Ithaca, St. Louis, and (to a lesser extent) Boston, not so much.

I mean, you're also talking about dramatically different markets. Even discounting the fact that SoCal is a nicer climate, there are significantly fewer substitutes if you want to practice law on the West Coast. Really, there are only 4 schools that are great bets for the coast (excluding the obvious HYSish types), whereas you have scores of good to ok law schools in the Northeast and in the Midwest, not to mentions those markets have some overlap.

I would think Western law schools would be the least effected, then Southern, and then Eastern and Midwest law schools.

[99.9luft]

Wow @ CLS. They maintained their LSAT median (75th fell), but median GPA fell. And that's with a 9.4% decrease in class size.

ETA: Considering NYU did not reduce class size, I'm calling bullshit if they post a 172 median.

I thought people had already said NYU's median fell to 171? Or were they just rumors (or am I crazy... quite possible)?

Pretty sure it was rumors but it would seem to be impossible that the median stayed at 172.

Also, is there evidence that NYU was more liberal with scholarship money and maybe poached people that would have otherwise gone to CLS?

guys am i retarded math-wise? how can the median NOT be 171 if it's the middle point between the 75th and 25th percentiles (i.e. 173...172...171...170...169)???