Take the money and Run; YS - CCNH? Forum

[cotiger]

I was confused about this thread until I realized that it upset the Harvard apologists.

I dunno what they're so upset about. They'll still be able to tell everyone they went to Harvard Law School, which is pretty much the point for most of them.

[bjsesq]

The tides are turning, Musky. FIGHT BACK

[t-14orbust]

I was confused about this thread until I realized that it upset the Harvard apologists.

I dunno what they're so mad about. They'll still be able to tell everyone they went to Harvard Law School, which is pretty much the point for most of them.

It isn't the same without the fancy house/car/clothes/food/wife

[muskies970]

What average American are YOU referring to???

Doctors, engineers, small business owners, start ups, even a lot of government employees I know all work 70+ hours a week.

Muskie: So where are you working? Biglaw in NYC or DC? I can't tell.
How much are you paying on your loans?

Still in law school, will only have ~75k in debt after graduation so obviously I'm lucky/ can't directly relate.

My only real points I wanted to make in this thread:
1. For someone dead set on PI, going to a school with great LRAP doesn't make sticker necessarily a stupid outcome
2. It's still possible to live on a biglaw salary and pay off sticker debt in a reasonable time period, and then have an above average salary the rest of your career. Is it risky? Yes of course. But your other option is to settle for a sub 50k salary for the rest of your career. Unfortunately with the economy we have there has to be some risk taking if you want to rise above average. It's shitty that everyone can't be well off and that along the way a lot will fall off, but I don't see what better option(s) exist?

[Theopliske8711]

The tides are turning, Musky. FIGHT BACK

Counterpoint:

[muskies970]

The tides are turning, Musky. FIGHT BACK

Doing the Lord's work

[muskies970]

What average American are YOU referring to???

Doctors, engineers, small business owners, start ups, even a lot of government employees I know all work 70+ hours a week.

That doesn't make them average.

I would love to know which of these people are making $30k/year or less. Also, seriously not buying it for government employees, sorry brah.

That's fine, I only have anecdotal evidence from family/friends employed. They're only salaried on 40 hours but definitely work more, especially with Congress making it difficult recently for agencies with all the budget messes. Just like any job you can do the bare minimum, but more is often expected especially if you want to rise.

[cotiger]

I was confused about this thread until I realized that it upset the Harvard apologists.

I dunno what they're so mad about. They'll still be able to tell everyone they went to Harvard Law School, which is pretty much the point for most of them.

It isn't the same without the fancy house/car/clothes/food/wife

Now that you mention it, a wife who I can say "Oh you fancy, huh?" to non-ironically is totally worth it. Submitting deposit now.

[KatyMarie]

I was confused about this thread until I realized that it upset the Harvard apologists.

I dunno what they're so mad about. They'll still be able to tell everyone they went to Harvard Law School, which is pretty much the point for most of them.

It isn't the same without the fancy house/car/clothes/food/wife

Now that you mention it, a wife who I can say "Oh you fancy, huh?" to non-ironically is totally worth it. Submitting deposit now.

Do I get a fancier husband if I go to a higher ranked law school? This could change things completely. Intangible benefits and all..

[muskies970]

If making money is your only reason/ consideration in choosing a law school. yes.

If it's not you will sorely disappointed. The money is the only good part.

If you're going to law school only to make money, you will be sorely disappointed. Hopefully legal work brings you some satisfaction, if not, you chose the wrong career and I'm sorry :/

[A. Nony Mouse]

What average American are YOU referring to???

Doctors, engineers, small business owners, start ups, even a lot of government employees I know all work 70+ hours a week.

Muskie: So where are you working? Biglaw in NYC or DC? I can't tell.
How much are you paying on your loans?

Still in law school, will only have ~75k in debt after graduation so obviously I'm lucky/ can't directly relate.

My only real points I wanted to make in this thread:
1. For someone dead set on PI, going to a school with great LRAP doesn't make sticker necessarily a stupid outcome
2. It's still possible to live on a biglaw salary and pay off sticker debt in a reasonable time period, and then have an above average salary the rest of your career. Is it risky? Yes of course. But your other option is to settle for a sub 50k salary for the rest of your career. Unfortunately with the economy we have there has to be some risk taking if you want to rise above average. It's shitty that everyone can't be well off and that along the way a lot will fall off, but I don't see what better option(s) exist?

But the point is that your other option is overwhelmingly NOT settling for a sub-50k salary for the rest of your career. Seriously, it's not. There are lots of other options, and making under 50k at the age you would start law school does not mean you will never make over 50k. That's just silly.

[sighsigh]

Guys, I figured out the solution to your debt-ridden worries. And it's so simple!

Just apply to McGill law. I think you can get resident tuition after one year, which is ~4k/year. What a STEAL!!! And you don't even have to write the LSAT! It probably places into the Canadian legal market as well as any T13 would place into the US legal market.

Considerations:
- You'll have to live in Quebec.
- You might need to learn some French.

[muskies970]

But the point is that your other option is overwhelmingly NOT settling for a sub-50k salary for the rest of your career. Seriously, it's not. There are lots of other options, and making under 50k at the age you would start law school does not mean you will never make over 50k. That's just silly.

So what other risk free, reasonable career options are there that don't require a graduate degree and pay over 50k starting with tons of room for definite career and pay advancement?

[A. Nony Mouse]

But the point is that your other option is overwhelmingly NOT settling for a sub-50k salary for the rest of your career. Seriously, it's not. There are lots of other options, and making under 50k at the age you would start law school does not mean you will never make over 50k. That's just silly.

So what other risk free, reasonable career options are there that don't require a graduate degree and pay over 50k starting with tons of room for definite career and pay advancement?

That's not what you said. You said settling for a sub-50k job for the rest of your life. That's not remotely the same thing as what you're trotting out now.

[thisiswater]

What average American are YOU referring to???

Doctors, engineers, small business owners, start ups, even a lot of government employees I know all work 70+ hours a week.

Muskie: So where are you working? Biglaw in NYC or DC? I can't tell.
How much are you paying on your loans?

Still in law school, will only have ~75k in debt after graduation so obviously I'm lucky/ can't directly relate.

My only real points I wanted to make in this thread:
1. For someone dead set on PI, going to a school with great LRAP doesn't make sticker necessarily a stupid outcome
2. It's still possible to live on a biglaw salary and pay off sticker debt in a reasonable time period, and then have an above average salary the rest of your career. Is it risky? Yes of course. But your other option is to settle for a sub 50k salary for the rest of your career. Unfortunately with the economy we have there has to be some risk taking if you want to rise above average. It's shitty that everyone can't be well off and that along the way a lot will fall off, but I don't see what better option(s) exist?

I'm an 0L with a stupid degree from a not-fancy college and, in my experience and the experience of most of the people I know, this is just not true. There is still plenty of options without law school. (And yes, before you ask, I make significantly more than 50k a year and work somewhere between 45 and 50 hours a week)

[muskies970]

I'm an 0L with a stupid degree from a not-fancy college and, in my experience and the experience of most of the people I know, this is just not true. There is still plenty of options without law school. (And yes, before you ask, I make significantly more than 50k a year and work somewhere between 45 and 50 hours a week)

Such as...

[cotiger]

I'm an 0L with a stupid degree from a not-fancy college and, in my experience and the experience of most of the people I know, this is just not true. There is still plenty of options without law school. (And yes, before you ask, I make significantly more than 50k a year and work somewhere between 45 and 50 hours a week)

Such as...

That may be true, but there are plenty of other things you can do besides work at a corporate type job.

Like what? Go be an electrician or a carpenter? A master carpenter would much rather have an 18 year old apprentice than some kid with a college degree.

I'm not sure that you'll find this too helpful, but let me list what some of my (non-tech) friends do:

-Broadcaster/Media Relations at a AAA baseball team
-Graphics/News Researcher at the Colbert Report
-Develops and tests longitudinal studies for some health organization
-Reporter at Politico
-Film Director of primarily music videos but also documentaries/commercials (crazy successful)
-I dunno exactly, but he works like 50-60 hour weeks researching and designing maps

There's a whole wide world out there.

[love4life29]

I'm an 0L with a stupid degree from a not-fancy college and, in my experience and the experience of most of the people I know, this is just not true. There is still plenty of options without law school. (And yes, before you ask, I make significantly more than 50k a year and work somewhere between 45 and 50 hours a week)

Such as...

Finance. Investment banking. Consulting. Accounting. Tech start up.

[muskies970]

I'm an 0L with a stupid degree from a not-fancy college and, in my experience and the experience of most of the people I know, this is just not true. There is still plenty of options without law school. (And yes, before you ask, I make significantly more than 50k a year and work somewhere between 45 and 50 hours a week)

Such as...

Finance. Investment banking. Consulting. Accounting. Tech start up.

meh at Tech Start up or legitimate consulting, investment banking, or accounting working 45 to 50 hours a week.

Or at the ability to rise quickly/risk free to a higher salary in those professions

[A. Nony Mouse]

Let me repeat myself because you haven't answered this.

But the point is that your other option is overwhelmingly NOT settling for a sub-50k salary for the rest of your career. Seriously, it's not. There are lots of other options, and making under 50k at the age you would start law school does not mean you will never make over 50k. That's just silly.

So what other risk free, reasonable career options are there that don't require a graduate degree and pay over 50k starting with tons of room for definite career and pay advancement?

That's not what you said. You said settling for a sub-50k job for the rest of your life. That's not remotely the same thing as what you're trotting out now.

Do you really want to die on the hill that law school is the only way for humanities majors to make more than 50k for the rest of their lives?

[muskies970]

I'm an 0L with a stupid degree from a not-fancy college and, in my experience and the experience of most of the people I know, this is just not true. There is still plenty of options without law school. (And yes, before you ask, I make significantly more than 50k a year and work somewhere between 45 and 50 hours a week)

Such as...

That may be true, but there are plenty of other things you can do besides work at a corporate type job.

Like what? Go be an electrician or a carpenter? A master carpenter would much rather have an 18 year old apprentice than some kid with a college degree.

I'm not sure that you'll find this too helpful, but let me list what some of my (non-tech) friends do:

-Broadcaster/Media Relations at a AAA baseball team
-Graphics/News Researcher at the Colbert Report
-Develops and tests longitudinal studies for some health organization
-Reporter at Politico
-Film Director of primarily music videos but also documentaries/commercials (crazy successful)
-I dunno exactly, but he works like 50-60 hour weeks researching and designing maps

There's a whole wide world out there.

The U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) reported that the mean hourly wage of broadcasters working as radio and television announcers was $20.13, which amounted to a mean annual wage of $41,860 as of May 2012 (http://www.bls.gov). In public address system or other types of announcing, the mean yearly income was $40,070, and the mean hourly salary was $19.27.

I wish I could work for the Colbert Report, doesn't sound like a big industry though...

Average Politico Reporter salary is $47,750
In a World of Online News, Burnout Starts Younger
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/19/busin ... wanted=all

Film Director sounds like a pretty specialized/ risky field but IDK prove me wrong?

[muskies970]

Let me repeat myself because you haven't answered this.

But the point is that your other option is overwhelmingly NOT settling for a sub-50k salary for the rest of your career. Seriously, it's not. There are lots of other options, and making under 50k at the age you would start law school does not mean you will never make over 50k. That's just silly.

So what other risk free, reasonable career options are there that don't require a graduate degree and pay over 50k starting with tons of room for definite career and pay advancement?

That's not what you said. You said settling for a sub-50k job for the rest of your life. That's not remotely the same thing as what you're trotting out now.

Do you really want to die on the hill that law school is the only way for humanities majors to make more than 50k for the rest of their lives?

No I'm just genuinely curious what other options there are that require less work, less risk, and have a greater percent of their total employees doing well without specialization?

[cotiger]

This board gets so irritating shitty when the topic of UG education or the possibility of other things to do in life besides being a lawyer comes up.

[cotiger]

Muskies, the point was that there are tons of random things you can do out there that don't fall into the defined career path that you're demanding of something in order for it to be considered legit.

[muskies970]

This board gets so irritating shitty when the topic of UG education or the possibility of other things to do in life besides being a lawyer comes up.

I know other options exist, I just don't think they require substantially less work or are substantially less risky