Take the money and Run; YS - CCNH? Forum

[Chrysogonus]

So, OP paid sticker for NW right? Is OP calling himself stupid?

Classic "do as I say, not as I do" -- boy we're hearing a lot of that lately

I'm calling myself stupid. I've got biglaw. I make 160k dollars a year. Paying off loans quickly is unrealistic. I'm doing it fast as I can, and it 1)sux 2) is hard to do 3) makes the long hours not worth it.

Now imagine the people with the same debt but making 45k.

And sticker is now what 300k? That's 40k more than what I had.

If you could go back and change what you did, would you?

[09042014]

Is it just me or are the incoming 1Ls especially snowflakey this year?

It was dumb going to law school when I did. But we thought things would bounce back by now. Now it's clear there is nothing to bounce back to. So now it's really stupid.

[09042014]

So, OP paid sticker for NW right? Is OP calling himself stupid?

Classic "do as I say, not as I do" -- boy we're hearing a lot of that lately

I'm calling myself stupid. I've got biglaw. I make 160k dollars a year. Paying off loans quickly is unrealistic. I'm doing it fast as I can, and it 1)sux 2) is hard to do 3) makes the long hours not worth it.

Now imagine the people with the same debt but making 45k.

And sticker is now what 300k? That's 40k more than what I had.

If you could go back and change what you did, would you?

Hell yea, I'd move to Silicon Valley and be an engineer.

[bjsesq]

Not necessarily. We are just more aggressive in proselytizing the "law school is risky as fuark" message and some are pushing back. Although, fat retards making "HOW TO DRESS FOR SKYPE INTERVIEWS" threads make me want to punch them in the goddamn uterus.

[Chrysogonus]

Is it just me or are the incoming 1Ls especially snowflakey this year?

you also paid sticker or close to it right?

would you go back and change your decision?

[worldtraveler]

Is it just me or are the incoming 1Ls especially snowflakey this year?

you also paid sticker or close to it right?

would you go back and change your decision?

I didn't pay anything close to sticker, and I am one in a million with a human rights job so I shouldn't really give advice.

[09042014]

I bet you can find posts from like 2 years ago where I was like:

Nah, it should be totes easy. I live on 30k a year in law school. That leaves 70k per year for loans. I can have this shit done in 3 years!

[Chrysogonus]

Is it just me or are the incoming 1Ls especially snowflakey this year?

you also paid sticker or close to it right?

would you go back and change your decision?

I didn't pay anything close to sticker, and I am one in a million with a human rights job so I shouldn't really give advice.

Calling 1Ls special snowflakey and then saying you're one in a million? lol

[Chrysogonus]

Should clarify that I'm generally against sticker but don't think we should make a blanket rule that it is necessarily stupid in every situation

[NYSprague]

I bet you can find posts from like 2 years ago where I was like:

Nah, it should be totes easy. I live on 30k a year in law school. That leaves 70k per year for loans. I can have this shit done in 3 years!

I just had a post about that that I deleted.

Both you and Rayiner thought that paying back debt would be easy on biglaw salaries. I'm sure there are posts from both of you and others along those lines, that argued that repaying debt in a few years was doable.

0LS are lucky that you guys stayed around and are still posting.

[worldtraveler]

I bet you can find posts from like 2 years ago where I was like:

Nah, it should be totes easy. I live on 30k a year in law school. That leaves 70k per year for loans. I can have this shit done in 3 years!

I think I remember you posting that.

[Chrysogonus]

I bet you can find posts from like 2 years ago where I was like:

Nah, it should be totes easy. I live on 30k a year in law school. That leaves 70k per year for loans. I can have this shit done in 3 years!

I just had a post about that that I deleted.

Both you ane Rayiner thought that paying back debt would be easy on biglaw salaries. I'm sure there are posts from both of you and others along those lines, that argued that repaying debt in a few years was doable.

0LS are lucky that you guys stayed around and are still posting.

And yet, I've actually seen Rayiner say that he would do it all over again.... Is that right, Rayiner?

It is helpful to hear the regrets. I think sticker is generally bad but I don't think we can make a blanket rule and say that anyone is any idiot for doing it.

[bjsesq]

Is it just me or are the incoming 1Ls especially snowflakey this year?

you also paid sticker or close to it right?

would you go back and change your decision?

I didn't pay anything close to sticker, and I am one in a million with a human rights job so I shouldn't really give advice.

Calling 1Ls special snowflakey and then saying you're one in a million? lol

She was identifying how fortunate she is, you fucking retard.

[NYSprague]

Is it just me or are the incoming 1Ls especially snowflakey this year?

you also paid sticker or close to it right?

would you go back and change your decision?

I didn't pay anything close to sticker, and I am one in a million with a human rights job so I shouldn't really give advice.

Calling 1Ls special snowflakey and then saying you're one in a million? lol

There are a few people who are special, like people who have work experience and PhDs in relevant areas and speak several languages. Plus I remember her searching every possible internship/ externship and fighting like crazy to get where she is.

It isn't snowflakey when you actually are unique. But very few TLS posters fit in that category.

I think the 0LS and 1Ls are snowflakey because they have been hearing this message for a while and ignoring it. The smart money and people who can find other or better options just aren't going to law school now.

[Chrysogonus]

She was identifying how fortunate she is, you fucking retard.

Cool.

Would you do it all over again? Serious question. Your time in the vale and the debt - was it worth it or no?

[bjsesq]

She was identifying how fortunate she is, you fucking retard.

Cool.

Would you do it all over again? Serious question. Your time in the vale and the debt - was it worth it or no?

No. I've said this in the past month or so. I was on a 60k scholly to NU, and I ended up with nothing. There were some exceptional circumstances that led to it, but it is what it is. Nonetheless, I probably could have gotten this job with a full ride to WUSTL. The problem: imperfect access to info. Given what I knew at the time, NU with 60k off seemed like a reasonable choice.

[Chrysogonus]

She was identifying how fortunate she is, you fucking retard.

Cool.

Would you do it all over again? Serious question. Your time in the vale and the debt - was it worth it or no?

No. I've said this in the past month or so. I was on a 60k scholly to NU, and I ended up with nothing. There were some exceptional circumstances that led to it, but it is what it is. Nonetheless, I probably could have gotten this job with a full ride to WUSTL. The problem: imperfect access to info. Given what I knew at the time, NU with 60k off seemed like a reasonable choice.

Thanks for this post. Helps make the point that law school can be very risky -- even if you have a decent sized scholarship.

[TheSpanishMain]

This is a little bit of a derail, but I wonder how much the debt casts a black cloud over everything else. I know two young associates in Big Law jobs, one in NYC and one in Chicago. The guy in NYC went to CLS, but because of the Post 9/11 GI Bill + Yellow Ribbon program he only had about 30k in debt when he graduated. He paid it all off the first year. The one in Chicago went to Northwestern at sticker, also has a Big Law job. She seems waaaay more miserable than the NYC guy and hates her job, whereas he seems relatively content.

I know it sounds obvious to say no debt > debt, but I more mean the way the debt colors perception of the job itself. I'm basically just wondering how much of the "Big Law sucks goat dick" perception is due to the inherent shittiness of the job and how much of it is due to the debt hanging over your head.

[furrrman]

The cream rises to the top. Even if you work at the GAP, after 10 year you'll be running a GAP yourself.

This is bogus. Not saying its impossible, or even difficult, to become manager at a Gap, Starbucks, or whatever, but different jobs require different skills. One could be excellently suited for a career in law, finance, or whatever, but totally fail at running a retail store.

On top of that, being a manager is different than being an employee, and requires a different skill set. One can be great at their job, but wouldn't necessarily be a great manager there.

[bjsesq]

It sucks, Main. I would struggle to get a car loan if I applied for one. People don't realize how much it impacts every area of your life.

[09042014]

The cream rises to the top. Even if you work at the GAP, after 10 year you'll be running a GAP yourself.

This is bogus. Not saying its impossible, or even difficult, to become manager at a Gap, Starbucks, or whatever, but different jobs require different skills. One could be excellently suited for a career in law, finance, or whatever, but totally fail at running a retail store.

On top of that, being a manager is different than being an employee, and requires a different skill set. One can be great at their job, but wouldn't necessarily be a great manager there.

Other than austistics who may thrive in law but fail at managing a GAP, that sort of work should be well within the wheelhouse of a successful lawyer.

[09042014]

This is a little bit of a derail, but I wonder how much the debt casts a black cloud over everything else. I know two young associates in Big Law jobs, one in NYC and one in Chicago. The guy in NYC went to CLS, but because of the Post 9/11 GI Bill + Yellow Ribbon program he only had about 30k in debt when he graduated. He paid it all off the first year. The one in Chicago went to Northwestern at sticker, also has a Big Law job. She seems waaaay more miserable than the NYC guy and hates her job, whereas he seems relatively content.

I know it sounds obvious to say no debt > debt, but I more mean the way the debt colors perception of the job itself. I'm basically just wondering how much of the "Big Law sucks goat dick" perception is due to the inherent shittiness of the job and how much of it is due to the debt hanging over your head.

Debt is a big factor but it's not the main reason the job sucks. But it does neutralize the one good part of the job, the money.

[Power_of_Facing]

This is a little bit of a derail, but I wonder how much the debt casts a black cloud over everything else. I know two young associates in Big Law jobs, one in NYC and one in Chicago. The guy in NYC went to CLS, but because of the Post 9/11 GI Bill + Yellow Ribbon program he only had about 30k in debt when he graduated. He paid it all off the first year. The one in Chicago went to Northwestern at sticker, also has a Big Law job. She seems waaaay more miserable than the NYC guy and hates her job, whereas he seems relatively content.

I know it sounds obvious to say no debt > debt, but I more mean the way the debt colors perception of the job itself. I'm basically just wondering how much of the "Big Law sucks goat dick" perception is due to the inherent shittiness of the job and how much of it is due to the debt hanging over your head.

Dumb DILD(0L), here: But I have talked about this with associates at my current firm, and the consensus seems to be that the debt load does affect how one feels about the work.

[Pneumonia]

There really is a higher than usual density of density in this thread.

[star fox]

[quote="francesfarmer"][quote="jk148706"][quote="rayiner"]You guys suck at thinking about jobs you can get with a liberal arts degree. Journalism, publishing? Are you serious? Those are massively oversaturated careers, just like law. How about accounting, recruiting, HR, IT, insurance, sales, health care, etc? My friend started out making 40-50k/year in a low-COL state writing up bids for a company that does contract work for cable/telecom companies. Another started at 35-40k in an entry-level position at an insurance company. I'm not going to say that there's tons of jobs out there, but you guys have your heads in the clouds. Publishing? Get the fuck out of here.[/quote]

What? People are specifically mentioning those careers as things to SKIP not go into[/quote]
Yuppppp A+ reading comprehension

For the record I suggest everyone in undergrad study programming or econ. Done.[/quote]
Unless you go to a school like chicago, all econ will do is tell you why you can't get a job. My boss loves hiring econ grads because it's easy to offer low pay while still getting semi competent people.