170/3.86 accepted to Columbia($), reapply? Forum

[appind]

If you want H, just sit out and retake the LSAT and reapply next cycle. If it is your dream, what is another year? Like I always say, Barack Obama applied 2 cycles and finally got H. He also didn't finish law school until he was 30!

He did? Where did you learn that?

Well him not finishing law school until he was 30 is out there. I think I found that out from his book "Dreams From My Father"

Idk where I read he applied 2 cycles. I might be mistaken about that actually or heard it from a non-credible source. But he was definitely 27 when he started law school.

Haha, I asked because I was curious, not because I didn't believe you. I know that he definitely started law school when he was 27. Who knows, he may have applied 2 cycles, I know that Michelle was first waitlisted at Harvard and then one of her prof's at Princeton wrote another letter to the admissions committee and she was eventually admitted off of the waitlist.

i don't think dreams from my father mentions anywhere that obama applied 2 cycles. it in fact suggests that he applied only once as he discusses it only in the context of a certain year. he also says that he only applied to 3 schools, hys.

[Barack O'Drama]

If you want H, just sit out and retake the LSAT and reapply next cycle. If it is your dream, what is another year? Like I always say, Barack Obama applied 2 cycles and finally got H. He also didn't finish law school until he was 30!

He did? Where did you learn that?

Well him not finishing law school until he was 30 is out there. I think I found that out from his book "Dreams From My Father"

Idk where I read he applied 2 cycles. I might be mistaken about that actually or heard it from a non-credible source. But he was definitely 27 when he started law school.

Haha, I asked because I was curious, not because I didn't believe you. I know that he definitely started law school when he was 27. Who knows, he may have applied 2 cycles, I know that Michelle was first waitlisted at Harvard and then one of her prof's at Princeton wrote another letter to the admissions committee and she was eventually admitted off of the waitlist.

i don't think dreams from my father mentions anywhere that obama applied 2 cycles. it in fact suggests that he applied only once as he discusses it only in the context of a certain year. he also says that he only applied to 3 schools, hys.

No, DFMF is where I read Obama was 27 when he began. As far as the 2 cycles, I'm not sure where I got that and admittedly it might not be true.

[appind]

If you want H, just sit out and retake the LSAT and reapply next cycle. If it is your dream, what is another year? Like I always say, Barack Obama applied 2 cycles and finally got H. He also didn't finish law school until he was 30!

He did? Where did you learn that?

Well him not finishing law school until he was 30 is out there. I think I found that out from his book "Dreams From My Father"

Idk where I read he applied 2 cycles. I might be mistaken about that actually or heard it from a non-credible source. But he was definitely 27 when he started law school.

Haha, I asked because I was curious, not because I didn't believe you. I know that he definitely started law school when he was 27. Who knows, he may have applied 2 cycles, I know that Michelle was first waitlisted at Harvard and then one of her prof's at Princeton wrote another letter to the admissions committee and she was eventually admitted off of the waitlist.

i don't think dreams from my father mentions anywhere that obama applied 2 cycles. it in fact suggests that he applied only once as he discusses it only in the context of a certain year. he also says that he only applied to 3 schools, hys.

No, DFMF is where I read Obama was 27 when he began. As far as the 2 cycles, I'm not sure where I got that and admittedly it might not be true.

it's pretty common knowledge that he was 27 when he began hls 1988-91, not exclusive to dfmf. that 2 cycle part doesn't seem correct.

[Barack O'Drama]

If you want H, just sit out and retake the LSAT and reapply next cycle. If it is your dream, what is another year? Like I always say, Barack Obama applied 2 cycles and finally got H. He also didn't finish law school until he was 30!

He did? Where did you learn that?

Well him not finishing law school until he was 30 is out there. I think I found that out from his book "Dreams From My Father"

Idk where I read he applied 2 cycles. I might be mistaken about that actually or heard it from a non-credible source. But he was definitely 27 when he started law school.

Haha, I asked because I was curious, not because I didn't believe you. I know that he definitely started law school when he was 27. Who knows, he may have applied 2 cycles, I know that Michelle was first waitlisted at Harvard and then one of her prof's at Princeton wrote another letter to the admissions committee and she was eventually admitted off of the waitlist.

i don't think dreams from my father mentions anywhere that obama applied 2 cycles. it in fact suggests that he applied only once as he discusses it only in the context of a certain year. he also says that he only applied to 3 schools, hys.

No, DFMF is where I read Obama was 27 when he began. As far as the 2 cycles, I'm not sure where I got that and admittedly it might not be true.

it's pretty common knowledge that he was 27 when he began hls 1988-91, not exclusive to dfmf. that 2 cycle part doesn't seem correct.

Dude cool. That is where I first read it a while back. I'm sure it is common knowledge. Never said it was exclusive to DFMF. It's a book I read back when I started high school so apologies if I don't remember the details. As for the 2 cycles, I'm pretty sure it isn't correct at this point, because I can't find anything on it. I'll post if I can verify anything on it though.

[Helioze]

Dude cool. That is where I first read it a while back. I'm sure it is common knowledge. Never said it was exclusive to DFMF. It's a book I read back when I started high school so apologies if I don't remember the details. As for the 2 cycles, I'm pretty sure it isn't correct at this point, because I can't find anything on it. I'll post if I can verify anything on it though.

I have said that he applied twice before.

I have also said a lot of dumb stuff.

[Barack O'Drama]

Dude cool. That is where I first read it a while back. I'm sure it is common knowledge. Never said it was exclusive to DFMF. It's a book I read back when I started high school so apologies if I don't remember the details. As for the 2 cycles, I'm pretty sure it isn't correct at this point, because I can't find anything on it. I'll post if I can verify anything on it though.

I have said that he applied twice before.

I have also said a lot of dumb stuff.

Lol. I hear you man...Same here.

In any case, there was a great point and that was to not rush taking the damn LSAT.

I could have sworn I read it somewhere, but I can't find a single thing on it now. So I think it is safe to assume he only applied once.

[Helioze]

Dude cool. That is where I first read it a while back. I'm sure it is common knowledge. Never said it was exclusive to DFMF. It's a book I read back when I started high school so apologies if I don't remember the details. As for the 2 cycles, I'm pretty sure it isn't correct at this point, because I can't find anything on it. I'll post if I can verify anything on it though.

I have said that he applied twice before.

I have also said a lot of dumb stuff.

Lol. I hear you man...Same here.

In any case, there was a great point and that was to not rush taking the damn LSAT.

I could have sworn I read it somewhere, but I can't find a single thing on it now. So I think it is safe to assume he only applied once.

I also read DFMF and I remember distinctly the part about him applying to law school and him being cocky about the whole process. (Something about semi-gloating to an old man that he only applied to HYS and was sure to get in.) I don't think that would fit the narrative that he applied twice.

[Barack O'Drama]

Dude cool. That is where I first read it a while back. I'm sure it is common knowledge. Never said it was exclusive to DFMF. It's a book I read back when I started high school so apologies if I don't remember the details. As for the 2 cycles, I'm pretty sure it isn't correct at this point, because I can't find anything on it. I'll post if I can verify anything on it though.

I have said that he applied twice before.

I have also said a lot of dumb stuff.

Lol. I hear you man...Same here.

In any case, there was a great point and that was to not rush taking the damn LSAT.

I could have sworn I read it somewhere, but I can't find a single thing on it now. So I think it is safe to assume he only applied once.

I also read DFMF and I remember distinctly the part about him applying to law school and him being cocky about the whole process. (Something about semi-gloating to an old man that he only applied to HYS and was sure to get in.) I don't think that would fit the narrative that he applied twice.

Ok thanks! I haven't read that thing in close to 8 years, so my brain was a bit rusty.

So hopefully this can finally settle it. He did not apply twice.

[SlippinJimmy]

Would Ted Cruz be considered a URM? Lol

He's Cuban, so I don't think so.

Are people from Central America not considered URMs?

To my knowledge no. If you are hispanic, I believe you must be Mexican-American to be considered a URM.

That doesn't sound right. There's no way you don't get a URM bump if you are Guatamalan, Salvadorean or from other Central American countries once (or currently) ruled by military dictatorships.

[jbagelboy]

Would Ted Cruz be considered a URM? Lol

He's Cuban, so I don't think so.

Are people from Central America not considered URMs?

To my knowledge no. If you are hispanic, I believe you must be Mexican-American to be considered a URM.

That doesn't sound right. There's no way you don't get a URM bump if you are Guatamalan, Salvadorean or from other Central American countries once (or currently) ruled by military dictatorships.

Those groups are not under-represented in law school relative to the general American population. it isn't a contest of which group has historically suffered most. URM are those groups that are considered under-represented minorities for the purposes of law school admission. URM =/= diverse.

[SlippinJimmy]

That doesn't sound right. There's no way you don't get a URM bump if you are Guatamalan, Salvadorean or from other Central American countries once (or currently) ruled by military dictatorships.

Those groups are not under-represented in law school relative to the general American population. it isn't a contest of which group has historically suffered most. URM are those groups that are considered under-represented minorities for the purposes of law school admission. URM =/= diverse.

That makes sense, though I find it hard to believe groups that immigrate as essentially economic refugees are adequately represented in law school regardless of how small they may be relative to national demographics.

[cavalier1138]

That doesn't sound right. There's no way you don't get a URM bump if you are Guatamalan, Salvadorean or from other Central American countries once (or currently) ruled by military dictatorships.

Those groups are not under-represented in law school relative to the general American population. it isn't a contest of which group has historically suffered most. URM are those groups that are considered under-represented minorities for the purposes of law school admission. URM =/= diverse.

That makes sense, though I find it hard to believe groups that immigrate as essentially economic refugees are adequately represented in law school regardless of how small they may be relative to national demographics.

Well, bear in mind that a number of people who left those countries did so because they were part of the ruling class and were more or less on the receiving end of the coup. I have no idea if that's the case for every Central/South American country, but the fact remains that those populations are evidently represented enough in law schools that they don't receive any boosts.

[welcometothefamily]

OP, you should definitely retest. Since you broke that 170 barrier, getting it up to a 173 or 174 would give you a significant leg up.

[calpolisci2016]

Do law schools distinguish between nationalities or is it just broadly "race" like white, black, Asian?

Do law schools distinguish between a Mexican American and a Peruvian American, for example, when considering a URM?

[A. Nony Mouse]

It's not entirely clear. For a long time people always said it was only Mexican-Americans and Puerto Ricans that got the bump, I think because those groups were specifically mentioned in the relevant Supreme Court case (and due to their underrepresentation. It's not clear that Peruvian-Americans, for instance, are underrepresented in US law schools). However, people have been reporting more recently that LSAC and many (? some? not sure) schools ask only whether you're Hispanic/Latino, and don't ask you to parse it further - so even if schools wanted to distinguish between groups, they might not be able to do so.

(Only MA/PRs out of Hispanics, that is - other groups that get an identifiable bump are AAs and NAs.)

[welcometothefamily]

Hate to jump on the OP's thread, but question regarding Hispanic/Latino:

Could I check the box? My grandma was born and raised in Argentina, making me 1/4 Latin American. IF that helps my chances (and it's legal), I'm all for it...

[star fox]

Get a full ride from Northwestern and fuck going into debt for better schools imo.

[ForumCommissar]

Out of curiosity, could a Hispanic that's not exactly of Mexican descent (for instance, let's say a Cuban) but was nonetheless "Mexican" enough to pass as Mexican, would there be any real way LSAC could prove otherwise? I suppose they could talk to family but what if they were in on it.

Or do URM's indeed have to prove they are URM?

I'm white as white gets btw so none of this applies to me.

[A. Nony Mouse]

It would be creepy to make someone "prove" they're URM, so no. (Closest is that there is some discussion that NAs with tribal membership fare better than NAs who don't have tribal membership, but that's complicated.)