GW sticker vs. T2 for cheap Forum

[cron1834]

if you want biglaw, why would you consider a school where 7 in 10 don't get it?

Because it's the best odds of any school I've been admitted to. Any more brainbusters?

You are pretty snide in this thread for someone seriously contemplating a three-year commitment to something that has like an 80% chance of failing spectacularly. No wonder you have such a shitty GPA and LSAT. People are giving you good feedback here - a terrible option doesn't cease being terrible because some other options are worse. Spend daddy's money on something else.

[trulytorn]

if you want biglaw, why would you consider a school where 7 in 10 don't get it?

Because it's the best odds of any school I've been admitted to. Any more brainbusters?

You are pretty snide in this thread for someone seriously contemplating a three-year commitment to something that has like an 80% chance of failing spectacularly. No wonder you have such a shitty GPA and LSAT. People are giving you good feedback here - a terrible option doesn't cease being terrible because some other options are worse. Spend daddy's money on something else.

I don't consider a non-Big Law outcome "failing spectacularly."

[cron1834]

Well, the only goal you've stated ITT is biglaw. So, not-biglaw certainly means not-succeeding. If you have other goals you value equally, or nearly as much, then you should state them.

[trulytorn]

Well, the only goal you've stated ITT is biglaw. So, not-biglaw certainly means not-succeeding. If you have other goals you value equally, or nearly as much, then you should state them.

I'd be happy working in government positions. But BigLaw is the preference, as it is for a vast majority it seems. Anyway, I get it: My stats aren't good enough to justify that as a goal. I'm just trying to find my least worst option, so to speak.

[BigZuck]

No such thing as a least worst option, the stakes in terms of time and money are just too high

It either makes sense, or it doesn't. If it doesn't make sense, you don't go. It's as simple as that.

[trulytorn]

No such thing as a least worst option, the stakes in terms of time and money are just too high

It either makes sense, or it doesn't. If it doesn't make sense, you don't go. It's as simple as that.

Does free tuition at a T2 make sense?

[BigZuck]

No such thing as a least worst option, the stakes in terms of time and money are just too high

It either makes sense, or it doesn't. If it doesn't make sense, you don't go. It's as simple as that.

Does free tuition at a T2 make sense?

T2 is a meaningless distinction

But yeah it could, just depends on career goals

[Hornet2011]

If I have understood everything in this thread correctly, OP, your goals are Biglaw, and if not, then government work. Your schools are Tennessee or Case Western at significant discounts or GW at sticker. Unless I missed something, there isn't any particular overwhelming reason why you *have* to go to law school this upcoming fall.

I think the general consensus here is, the likelihood of GW delivering on your hopes of big law are not particularly high. The chances for a positive or even neutral ROI are further diminished by the fact that as things stand today you would pay full price there. The other two schools you mentioned, barring significant ties, would almost certainly not get you big law (or the biggest law there is in those markets) but stand a more than decent chance of placing you in a government position *of some kind* if you are open to various options. It goes without saying though the pay difference from Biglaw to entry level govt is substantial (not that money is everything, but I get a sense it is something important or else you wouldn't be pursuing Biglaw).

The challenge is, neither of these are good or even decent options to get you Biglaw. CW and Tenessee are good if you have ties and want to truly do local government or state work. Thus if Biglaw is truly your top goal, the best way to achieve that even if
school is totally paid for is for you to retake (since there is no compelling reason to go this year so far stated). Obviously you are free to make your own choice in this matter and weigh the risks yourself, but the vast majority of users of this thread would chose the sit out and retake option.

[trebekismyhero]

Well, the only goal you've stated ITT is biglaw. So, not-biglaw certainly means not-succeeding. If you have other goals you value equally, or nearly as much, then you should state them.

I'd be happy working in government positions. But BigLaw is the preference, as it is for a vast majority it seems. Anyway, I get it: My stats aren't good enough to justify that as a goal. I'm just trying to find my least worst option, so to speak.

What kind of government positions? If you mean FedGov, the DOJ, SEC, Treasury, and State Dept are tougher to get than Big Law.

If you would be happy with state gov't or maybe being a PD then that might be different

[timbs4339]

OP - it's pretty clear you have no defined reason why you want to be a lawyer. You think law school is a backdoor to an upper middle class white collar career and are just picking what you percieve to be the highest paying law jobs out there. You need to think more deeply about why you want to be a lawyer and what you hope to get out of this career before committing to all of this debt.

[trulytorn]

OP - it's pretty clear you have no defined reason why you want to be a lawyer. You think law school is a backdoor to an upper middle class white collar career and are just picking what you percieve to be the highest paying law jobs out there. You need to think more deeply about why you want to be a lawyer and what you hope to get out of this career before committing to all of this debt.

Serious question here: Can you read? My post clearly says I won't have any debt. And nowhere did I even touch on my reasons to go to law school or want to be an attorney. Yes, BigLaw is the highest paying law job but I'm not limiting myself to those jobs because I know that's unrealistic. Other paths I'm interested in are far less lucrative, and I'm quite OK with that.

[Clearly]

OP - it's pretty clear you have no defined reason why you want to be a lawyer. You think law school is a backdoor to an upper middle class white collar career and are just picking what you percieve to be the highest paying law jobs out there. You need to think more deeply about why you want to be a lawyer and what you hope to get out of this career before committing to all of this debt.

Serious question here: Can you read? My post clearly says I won't have any debt. And nowhere did I even touch on my reasons to go to law school or want to be an attorney. Yes, BigLaw is the highest paying law job but I'm not limiting myself to those jobs because I know that's unrealistic. Other paths I'm interested in are far less lucrative, and I'm quite OK with that.

It's not unrealistic if you would just listen and retake. I was a <3.0 165 who wanted biglaw, was picking between fordham (which is pretty much your GW) or TTs with money. Took the suggestions given to me in this exact forum and sat out the cycle and busted my ass for a retake. One year later I was a 3.0 175+, went to school with 80% biglaw+AIII, got biglaw.

Stop being combative, it's overwhelmingly likely you're about to waste 3 years of your life to make 40-50k. These people are trying to help you avoid the day in your thirties when you're kicking yourself in the ass for your choices.

Don't quote.

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[sosofla]

These threads are amazing. It's like the OP comes here and asks us what is the quickest way to make a lot of money - become an surfing coach or a yoga instructor. Unbelievably, he then gets mad when people tell him he should do something else with his life

[star fox]

Well, the only goal you've stated ITT is biglaw. So, not-biglaw certainly means not-succeeding. If you have other goals you value equally, or nearly as much, then you should state them.

I'd be happy working in government positions. But BigLaw is the preference, as it is for a vast majority it seems. Anyway, I get it: My stats aren't good enough to justify that as a goal. I'm just trying to find my least worst option, so to speak.

Any reason you can't sit out the year and apply again after re-taking the LSAT until you can raise your score?

[barkschool]

If you want big law, its a huge advantage to go to the best law school in a big city. The one school that meets that criteria is Case. Its the best law school in Cleveland and Cleveland is home of one of Jones Day, one of the biggest of the big law firms. Go to case, intern at Jones Day and if you hustle and network you'll impress the people there an be in biglaw. GW is much worse. Its not the best law school in DC and the DC market is insanely competitive anyway.

Telling someone they should attend Case just sounds like malpractice

[downbeat14]

OP, listen to Clearly. He has your best interests in mind. Ppl aren't telling you what u want to hear bc your options are not good given stated goals. Retake and make the LSAT your job until June.

[trulytorn]

OP, listen to Clearly. He has your best interests in mind. Ppl aren't telling you what u want to hear bc your options are not good given stated goals. Retake and make the LSAT your job until June.

I'm going to do this. Thanks.

[timbs4339]

OP - it's pretty clear you have no defined reason why you want to be a lawyer. You think law school is a backdoor to an upper middle class white collar career and are just picking what you percieve to be the highest paying law jobs out there. You need to think more deeply about why you want to be a lawyer and what you hope to get out of this career before committing to all of this debt.

Serious question here: Can you read? My post clearly says I won't have any debt. And nowhere did I even touch on my reasons to go to law school or want to be an attorney. Yes, BigLaw is the highest paying law job but I'm not limiting myself to those jobs because I know that's unrealistic. Other paths I'm interested in are far less lucrative, and I'm quite OK with that.

Why do you want to be a lawyer as opposed to just some dude in a suit who does officey-type stuff? What other paths are you interested in specifically?