Why Shouldn't I go to UVA? Forum

[Colonel_funkadunk]

this is a horribly premature thread u neurotic

[Rigo]

this is a horribly premature thread u neurotic

God you're awful.

[Colonel_funkadunk]

this is a horribly premature thread u neurotic

God you're awful.

And you're irrelevant

[Rigo]

this is a horribly premature thread u neurotic

God you're awful.

And you're irrelevant

Woah colonel knows big words.

[Sls17]

I turned down the Dillard for financial aid at Stanford and I haven't regretted it for a second.

Wait it out, pile up the acceptances and scholarship offers, throw your Dillard out to CCN and see if they'll match, check out your fin aid offers from HYS.

It's November -- don't get too ahead of yourself. You'll have lots of great choices at this rate. Congrats though!

[fats provolone]

you should def go to UVA

[Tiago Splitter]

I turned down the Dillard for financial aid at Stanford and I haven't regretted it for a second.

I never understood how someone two months into law school can say this with a straight face.

[Mal Reynolds]

I turned down the Dillard for financial aid at Stanford and I haven't regretted it for a second.

I never understood how someone two months into law school can say this with a straight face.

Because he hasnt even regretted it for a second. That means it was a really good choice for verifiable reasons.

[Manhattan]

But for reals, if you get a Ruby at UChicago, you will get a full scholarship plus $15,000 a year as a living stipend. After having lived in Hyde Park for a while now, I can tell you that you can live very comfortably here for $30,000 a year ($2,500 a month * 12 months). For you, that amount will already be just $15,000 thanks to the Ruby, and you will also be able to include whatever you make during the summers (and also any money you make from doing an RA or something during the school year). You could very well leave law school with $0 debt, and potentially even some savings if you land a 1L SA. All of the Ruby scholars that I know have done very well for themselves in terms of post-graduation employment options.

[WeeBey]

In my 0L opinion, a T13 full ride is better than HYS at sticker.

I know TLS hates it when people say this, but if your over YLS's 75ths, your not gonna be at the bottom of your class at a T13 and as long as something drastic doesn't happen in your life, you wont fall below the middle 1/3. That means $160k with maybe $30k in debt when you factor in your 2L summer and the cheap COL in Cville.

If I were you, just see the highest ranked full ride you can get. You'd prolly get a Ruby/Hammy too.

I feel like people forget that HYS:
1) Comes with a bunch of debt $200k
2) HYS-grads will get no-offered too
3) HYS-grads will get laid off
4) If BigLaw is your goal, after your HYS degree gets you your job, your performance matters more.
5) If BigLaw is not your goal, be real, you'll still likely end up there.

HYS will make it easier for you to get into higher ranked firms, but $160k is a $160, and $200k is fucking lot out of your cheques. I'd rather make $100k after tax with no debt at a lower V100, than a $100k after tax at a V10 while tryna pay back 40-50k a year in loans.

And you get to put Dilliard scholar or your resume too.

[R. Jeeves]

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[Manhattan]

Unless he/she is an alumnus/alumna of your school, an interviewer will probably not know what a "Hamilton" / "Rubenstein" / "Cafaro" / "AnBryce" / "Levy" / "Dillard" / "Mordecai" / "Darrow" / etc. scholar is. Let's be honest - if we weren't neurotic TLS posters, would we know the names of all the different scholarships offered by all of the T14, especially if we didn't have numbers anywhere near what is required to receive them (as is the case with most matriculants)? When you combine this with the fact that many full-ride scholarships are new and their names may change from year to year if the person donating the funds changes, the likelihood of someone who graduated from your law school more than 5 years ago knowing what any named scholarships are isn't very high.

[worldtraveler]

In my 0L opinion, a T13 full ride is better than HYS at sticker.

I know TLS hates it when people say this, but if your over YLS's 75ths, your not gonna be at the bottom of your class at a T13 and as long as something drastic doesn't happen in your life, you wont fall below the middle 1/3. That means $160k with maybe $30k in debt when you factor in your 2L summer and the cheap COL in Cville.

This is beyond dumb. People should get banned for posting stuff like this.

[jbagelboy]

In my 0L opinion, a T13 full ride is better than HYS at sticker.

I know TLS hates it when people say this, but if your over YLS's 75ths, your not gonna be at the bottom of your class at a T13 and as long as something drastic doesn't happen in your life, you wont fall below the middle 1/3. That means $160k with maybe $30k in debt when you factor in your 2L summer and the cheap COL in Cville.

This is beyond dumb. People should get banned for posting stuff like this.

The LS rank/LSAT correlative power argument is dumb, but the first sentence principle it supports is totally legitimate for a number of other reasons.

[WeeBey]

In my 0L opinion, a T13 full ride is better than HYS at sticker.

I know TLS hates it when people say this, but if your over YLS's 75ths, your not gonna be at the bottom of your class at a T13 and as long as something drastic doesn't happen in your life, you wont fall below the middle 1/3. That means $160k with maybe $30k in debt when you factor in your 2L summer and the cheap COL in Cville.

This is beyond dumb. People should get banned for posting stuff like this.

Yes, law school exams are totally different than UG stuff, but I'm just saying if they keep up the same work ethic, and some drastic doesn't happen in their life, they probably wont be at the bottom of the class.

GPA/LSAT do correlate with 1L performance, but its no guarantee, and there might be Dilliards who finished in the bottom of the class. However, lets be real, even without the Dilliard numbers, I dont think the risk of finishing in the bottom 1/3 is worth $165k plus interest. And you cant say having a 4.0 176+ wont reduce those odds in a class with 3.9, 170 75th percentiles and that's also splitter friendly.

I know I just made a bunch of assumptions but lets be real. The odds of OP finishing in the bottom third is definately not worth $165k.

Unless you want to be a prof or judge.

[Mal Reynolds]

Canadian brother are you a 1L

[BillsFan9907]

About that last part. The judge thing is super interesting :

http://leiterreports.typepad.com/blog/2 ... ral_j.html

This is not me, but if someone said "I just want to make a shit load of money," how does HYS factor into the equation?

I bring this up because I never see anyone argue that as a benefit of going to HYS. As someone said above, 160k is 160k. What happens after though?

I wasn't planning on keeping this thread going but it seems like a lot of people want to chime in. I haven't found a thread with a lot of TLS new blood discussing t-4-10 scholarships vs. hYS. Maybe I should just change the title to cover that.

[WeeBey]

Canadian brother are you a 1L

Nope, just a non-prestige whore 0L who realizes how much $165,000 is and how evil interest is.

YHS Sticker would be $250k at grad if you include SA pay, probably $350k total paid back over the years.

UVa with Dilliard is 15k a year COA, $50k at grad. Include your SA that goes down to $30k. You can pay that off in a year with very little interest accrued.

Thats over $300k. Add the opportunity costs of investing that money or BUYING a condo instead of throwing 2k/month out in rent.

Unless your parents are worth $10M+

[Mal Reynolds]

The number portion of your argument is fine, but the assumptions about GPA/LSAT and exam performance make you sound like a 1L.

[WeeBey]

The number portion of your argument is fine, but the assumptions about GPA/LSAT and exam performance make you sound like a 1L.

There are studies out there showing that there is a correlation between the LSAT and 1L grades. Those correlations would predict OP would be towards the top of the class, but thats not what I am trying say. Im just saying from that, as long as nothing drastic changes, , OP didnt take a basket weaving major and OP keeps up their past work ethic, it would be unlikely for them to be in the bottom of the class.

[A. Nony Mouse]

The number portion of your argument is fine, but the assumptions about GPA/LSAT and exam performance make you sound like a 1L.

There are studies out there showing that there is a correlation between the LSAT and 1L grades. Those correlations would predict OP would be towards the top of the class, but thats not what I am trying say. Im just saying from that, as long as nothing drastic changes, , OP didnt take a basket weaving major and OP keeps up their past work ethic, it would be unlikely for them to be in the bottom of the class.

Except that this will pretty much describe everyone in the class, and law school is graded on a curve.

[Mal Reynolds]

The number portion of your argument is fine, but the assumptions about GPA/LSAT and exam performance make you sound like a 1L.

There are studies out there showing that there is a correlation between the LSAT and 1L grades. Those correlations would predict OP would be towards the top of the class, but thats not what I am trying say. Im just saying from that, as long as nothing drastic changes, , OP didnt take a basket weaving major and OP keeps up their past work ethic, it would be unlikely for them to be in the bottom of the class.

I know full scholarship recipients at all points on the 1L rank spectrum, from multiple years now. Again the money issues you're talking about isn't what's wrong, but I hope people don't listen to you when you are guaranteeing them a spot above median.

[jbagelboy]

The number portion of your argument is fine, but the assumptions about GPA/LSAT and exam performance make you sound like a 1L.

There are studies out there showing that there is a correlation between the LSAT and 1L grades. Those correlations would predict OP would be towards the top of the class, but thats not what I am trying say. Im just saying from that, as long as nothing drastic changes, , OP didnt take a basket weaving major and OP keeps up their past work ethic, it would be unlikely for them to be in the bottom of the class.

The correlations exist but they are far too weak to conclude OP would be "top of the class" at UVA. The 1L class makeup of all the top schools is substantially similar. The "go to the school with lower medians to rank higher in the class" argument has been refuted here time and time over.

[jbagelboy]

About that last part. The judge thing is super interesting :

http://leiterreports.typepad.com/blog/2 ... ral_j.html

This is not me, but if someone said "I just want to make a shit load of money," how does HYS factor into the equation?

I bring this up because I never see anyone argue that as a benefit of going to HYS. As someone said above, 160k is 160k. What happens after though?

I wasn't planning on keeping this thread going but it seems like a lot of people want to chime in. I haven't found a thread with a lot of TLS new blood discussing t-4-10 scholarships vs. hYS. Maybe I should just change the title to cover that.

No jesus we don't need another thread like this.

[staysha]

OP, just remember that you shouldn't choose a school because you feel welcome there. You will have virtually no further contact with admissions/administration after orientation. You will be thrown in with all the other students, and treated accordingly.