UC-Irvine Forum

[twenty]

We're approaching this from completely opposite directions, bagel, and the acid test comes when I can agree with 100% of what you're saying and maintain the exact same position. Kicking out the weird NU/UChi thing, which is honestly a rollover from old numbers I've been too lazy to follow up on, I should have started out with this statement: By nature of simple mathematics, half the class is going to be below median at a T14. Unless conventional OCI wisdom has drastically changed since I last lurked, if you're below median at a T14, bidding on big NYC classes > bidding on selective non-NYC firms.

It's not a complete anomaly to end up with 1-2 offers in NYC by the time OCI is said and done. Now, for a normal law-school-bound individual, 1-2 offers in NYC is "oh well, I didn't get X market I wanted, but that's cool" whereas not getting the market OP wants is significantly worse from her individual standpoint. I'm not saying that she should chose law school 1 over law school 2, I'm saying it's not a good idea to go for a T14 expecting that your school's name will get you anywhere in the country you want to go because if that doesn't happen, the penalties for OP specifically are so severe.

My recommendation to OP would be to not go to law school at all (/right now) if being near your SO is that important to you.

[iguazu]

We're approaching this from completely opposite directions, bagel, and the acid test comes when I can agree with 100% of what you're saying and maintain the exact same position. Kicking out the weird NU/UChi thing, which is honestly a rollover from old numbers I've been too lazy to follow up on, I should have started out with this statement: By nature of simple mathematics, half the class is going to be below median at a T14. Unless conventional OCI wisdom has drastically changed since I last lurked, if you're below median at a T14, bidding on big NYC classes > bidding on selective non-NYC firms.

It's not a complete anomaly to end up with 1-2 offers in NYC by the time OCI is said and done. Now, for a normal law-school-bound individual, 1-2 offers in NYC is "oh well, I didn't get X market I wanted, but that's cool" whereas not getting the market OP wants is significantly worse from her individual standpoint. I'm not saying that she should chose law school 1 over law school 2, I'm saying it's not a good idea to go for a T14 expecting that your school's name will get you anywhere in the country you want to go because if that doesn't happen, the penalties for OP specifically are so severe.

My recommendation to OP would be to not go to law school at all (/right now) if being near your SO is that important to you.

You've all put a new spin on my approach to things. I'm really considering just waiting until next year and submitting apps on day one, since we will know by March where he has residency placement. Study for June LSAT and get that $$$ that we will need (considering his six-figure med school debt is also looming)

[Mal Reynolds]

We're approaching this from completely opposite directions, bagel, and the acid test comes when I can agree with 100% of what you're saying and maintain the exact same position. Kicking out the weird NU/UChi thing, which is honestly a rollover from old numbers I've been too lazy to follow up on, I should have started out with this statement: By nature of simple mathematics, half the class is going to be below median at a T14. Unless conventional OCI wisdom has drastically changed since I last lurked, if you're below median at a T14, bidding on big NYC classes > bidding on selective non-NYC firms.

It's not a complete anomaly to end up with 1-2 offers in NYC by the time OCI is said and done. Now, for a normal law-school-bound individual, 1-2 offers in NYC is "oh well, I didn't get X market I wanted, but that's cool" whereas not getting the market OP wants is significantly worse from her individual standpoint. I'm not saying that she should chose law school 1 over law school 2, I'm saying it's not a good idea to go for a T14 expecting that your school's name will get you anywhere in the country you want to go because if that doesn't happen, the penalties for OP specifically are so severe.

My recommendation to OP would be to not go to law school at all (/right now) if being near your SO is that important to you.

You've really walked back a lot of what you said since this post:

T14 degrees are also probably not quite as mobile as TLS would have you believe. Seeing as it's substantially harder to get a meaningful-enough scholarship to save you from the biglaw boat at a T14, you now have to do biglaw in order to finance your student loan debt. If you went to NU/UChi, you're stuck in Chicago. If you went anywhere else, you're stuck in NYC.*
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NYC being the smart bidding strategy for someone below median is a far cry from you saying t14 degrees aren't mobile. I attribute this to your not having gone through OCI yet.

[twenty]

DF kind of played out the whole "LAWNOOB MIRITE" thing already.

I attribute this to your not having gone through OCI yet.

and for someone who hasn't gone through OCI

Also aren't you a 1L

but srsly oci is a weird-as-fuck thing for you to be sperging out over

[Mal Reynolds]

DF kind of played out the whole "LAWNOOB MIRITE" thing already.

I attribute this to your not having gone through OCI yet.

and for someone who hasn't gone through OCI

Also aren't you a 1L

but srsly oci is a weird-as-fuck thing for you to be sperging out over

How is it weird? You're giving advice as if you know everything there is to know about OCI and t14 placement power. It's clear to me, since I have gone through it, that you haven't and might not go to a t14. The things you're saying and the conclusions you draw are things that someone who doesn't have a full understanding about biglaw hiring would say. So I would just like to know whether or not this is the case.

[worldtraveler]

DF kind of played out the whole "LAWNOOB MIRITE" thing already.

I attribute this to your not having gone through OCI yet.

and for someone who hasn't gone through OCI

Also aren't you a 1L

but srsly oci is a weird-as-fuck thing for you to be sperging out over

No it's not. Maybe it's time to realize you might not have as much knowledge on the topic as you think you do.

[twenty]

I readily admit that my original post wasn't as clear as it should have been, and bagel was right to call me out. If you think what I'm saying is wrong on any thread, feel free to do the same. I'm certainly not above being wrong on the internet.

On the other hand, I said:

I'm saying it's not a good idea to go for a T14 expecting that your school's name will get you anywhere in the country you want to go because if that doesn't happen, the penalties for OP specifically are so severe.

And I have every right to make this statement when this is hardly the kind of thing you have to have gone through OCI to be able to understand. Which is why it's so weird for Mal (and I guess WT? I think you probably just saw the opportunity to pile-on and you're pissed about something else) to be flipping out about it.

[Kayak1277]

Coming back on topic for a moment - does anyone know UCI's medians for this past cycle? They haven't released anything but I'm curious if any current student has heard anything.

[Mal Reynolds]

I readily admit that my original post wasn't as clear as it should have been, and bagel was right to call me out. If you think what I'm saying is wrong on any thread, feel free to do the same. I'm certainly not above being wrong on the internet.

On the other hand, I said:

I'm saying it's not a good idea to go for a T14 expecting that your school's name will get you anywhere in the country you want to go because if that doesn't happen, the penalties for OP specifically are so severe.

And I have every right to make this statement when this is hardly the kind of thing you have to have gone through OCI to be able to understand. Which is why it's so weird for Mal (and I guess WT? I think you probably just saw the opportunity to pile-on and you're pissed about something else) to be flipping out about it.

I don't know why you think I'm "flipping out." I think I've just been trying to make it clear that you're giving bad advice. It's not that your posts weren't clear. They were just plain wrong.

The reason why I chimed in is because some of the things you said, before getting pushback from more experienced posters, are clearly erroneous and indicate that you have an extremely incomplete understanding about legal hiring and law school placement power. I don't really even understand why you have the desire to give so much employment advice having not gone through this process. That limits your advice to simply parroting other people's ideas. I think the entire PI job thread you started was weird since you were a 0L at the time. I guess it wasn't so big of a deal because you were acting as an information compiler in that thread and not really holding yourself out as an authority in your own right. That's not the case here as you're not even parroting accurate information. Saying "you're stuck in Chicago if you go to NU/CHI," is one of the most absurd things I've heard on this website.

I just want to make clear for those keeping score at home that you are really not in much of any position to give advice about the things you're giving advice about. I guess to a certain extent we all do that here from time to time but you seem to be taking it to a dangerous extreme. Now that everyone knows you're just a 1L and haven't done OCI I think people will know how much credence to give the things you're saying. Maybe you should put that you're a 1L in your location tag so people who haven't read this thread also know.

[worldtraveler]

I readily admit that my original post wasn't as clear as it should have been, and bagel was right to call me out. If you think what I'm saying is wrong on any thread, feel free to do the same. I'm certainly not above being wrong on the internet.

On the other hand, I said:

I'm saying it's not a good idea to go for a T14 expecting that your school's name will get you anywhere in the country you want to go because if that doesn't happen, the penalties for OP specifically are so severe.

And I have every right to make this statement when this is hardly the kind of thing you have to have gone through OCI to be able to understand. Which is why it's so weird for Mal (and I guess WT? I think you probably just saw the opportunity to pile-on and you're pissed about something else) to be flipping out about it.

So I can't possibly have an opinion on your thoughts in this thread, and must have some weird personal grudge to think it's better to actually look for legal jobs before you give advice on the tactics? Okay then.

[jbagelboy]

Coming back on topic for a moment - does anyone know UCI's medians for this past cycle? They haven't released anything but I'm curious if any current student has heard anything.

we have zero qualms about derailing this thread because its redundant. the OP received his or her answer with the first post. UCI's medians, to the extent that's relevant to anything, probably went down as did most lower tier 1 schools. they've gone down every year since the school opened. I would advise against attending, as would most people on this site.

[Mal Reynolds]

I have a feeling twenty might actually go to UCI.

[BentleyLittle]

Coming back on topic for a moment - does anyone know UCI's medians for this past cycle? They haven't released anything but I'm curious if any current student has heard anything.

I have heard that UCI held its LSAT median at 164 and increased its GPA median. Now, as others have said the numbers haven't been released yet so don't hold it against me if it ends up being wrong. Just FYI.

EDIT: OP feel free to PM me if you have any questions about UCI.