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[sesto elemento]

I read somewhere that George Washington struck out at OCI AND LOOK AT HIM NOW LOOK AT HIM NOW

Same thing with Sotomayor, struck out and is now SCOTUS. Anything is possible with a law degree*!


*From Yale

[AReasonableMan]

As an FYI many, many people strikeout from t-14's. If you go to a school below CCN, are not diverse, are anywhere close to median, only have ties to NYC/Cali/DC, it's very likely you may strikeout.

This is why sticker to t-14 is so dangerous. On a big law salary, it's not that hard to pay off 200k. If you live off of 60k per year you could pay it off in 5-6 years.

Half or more strikeout at many t-14's. Certain types of diverse candidates anywhere near median don't strikeout. People from Texas and similar markets anywhere near median don't strikeout. Below median makes big law almost impossible, but only about half will get it. Except for prestigious PI jobs, most people don't opt to do things like research or shit law unless they need to. Most people skipping OCI have bad grades. People become much more concerned about saving the world, and how everyone's a sellout and uncaring person after they strikeout.

It's very likely you may strikeout. At TT's you need to be valedictorian worthy to feel somewhat protected. Law review grade on's have a shot. The be at the top of your class logic makes it possible you'll get big law, but for the number one student at a TTT, their odds are still much lower than what you'd get at any casino. For a TTT going in, it's like a lottery ticket, only much more money, requires much more work than scratching, and the reward is working very long hours. For a given TTT student they'd be better off using 200k on lottery tickets. Unfortunately, the government refuses to give 200k to purchase lottery tickets. If a student cared only about finances, and not morals, most financial advisers would tell them to go to Vegas if their goal is to make money. The odds of winning are higher, and the payoff is much larger.

[ManoftheHour]

There's a bro on another thread here who is just below median at a t14 who struck out at oci. When t14 kids aren't getting big law, you're certainly not getting it from that TT/TTT you're thinking about going too.

I'm dropping out right now. Thanks for the heads up.

[Crowing]

Warning 50% of t14 people just ecstatically accepted jobs that will make what should be the best years of their life miserable.

OP's thread is bad and he should feel bad. But on another point. Do people really believe the bolded above? Does anyone other than mid-twenties folk say it? Do you guys think life ends at 30? I've heard this enough times on TLS to wonder.

My life definitely peaked at like 17.

[banjo]

I know above-median people at CLS who completely struck out or came frighteningly close. Nobody thinks they're going to be part of the 10-15% until it actually happens.

[BrooklynLaw16]

Brooklyn law TTTTTTTTTTTTTT here going to a V50 firm this summer.

That enough T's for ya?

[iliketurtles123]

I know above-median people at CLS who completely struck out or came frighteningly close. Nobody thinks they're going to be part of the 10-15% until it actually happens.

I'm around median (slightly above) at CCN and I'm frighteningly close to striking out.
We'll see what happens. I do have a few more leads but striking out is very real at this point

[objctnyrhnr]

sounds like you guys (the ones who have "almost struck out") are terrible interviewers/lack the requisite social skills necessary to succeed in life/have gotten very unlucky...but probably not this last one.

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[A. Nony Mouse]

sounds like you guys (the ones who have "almost struck out") are terrible interviewers/lack the requisite social skills necessary to succeed in life/have gotten very unlucky...but probably not this last one.

[banjo]

sounds like you guys (the ones who have "almost struck out") are terrible interviewers/lack the requisite social skills necessary to succeed in life/have gotten very unlucky...but probably not this last one.

Law schools should have an optional social skills / networking workshop that meets every week. It should teach people how to have a 5-10 minute or 20-30 minute conversation, how to project confidence, shake hands, etc. These skills need to be taught. I don't understand why we coddle people to death academically (do we really need a TA session for Torts??), but make people teach themselves these vital social skills.

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[It's A Lion]

Tucker Max struck out and look that guy now!

no, he got no offered

And he is on "our side" now:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tucker-ma ... 13943.html

Still a tremendous douche though.

Holy shit, that's not a bad write up.

[Colonel_funkadunk]

My life definitely peaked at like 17.

[banjo]

sounds like you guys (the ones who have "almost struck out") are terrible interviewers/lack the requisite social skills necessary to succeed in life/have gotten very unlucky...but probably not this last one.

Law schools should have an optional social skills / networking workshop that meets every week. It should teach people how to have a 5-10 minute or 20-30 minute conversation, how to project confidence, shake hands, etc. These skills need to be taught. I don't understand why we coddle people to death academically (do we really need a TA session for Torts??), but make people teach themselves these vital social skills.

My school had some shit like this, not weekly, but they offered it. They didn't seem to be too well attended.

Not surprised that it wasn't well-attended. Law students are horrible at identifying their own weaknesses.

[pancakes3]

Tucker Max struck out and look that guy now!

no, he got no offered

And he is on "our side" now:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tucker-ma ... 13943.html

Still a tremendous douche though.

Holy shit, that's not a bad write up.

I thought that also. Then I realized it was a good write-up as far as message board posts go. That shit is on a "news" site. But hey, huffpo is going to huffpo. Cracked has higher journalistic standards than they do.

[mvp99]

I read somewhere that George Washington struck out at OCI AND LOOK AT HIM NOW LOOK AT HIM NOW

Same thing with Sotomayor, struck out and is now SCOTUS. Anything is possible with a law degree*!


*From Yale

Wasn't she no offered??

[mvp99]

I learned today that some LS have surpassed the 60k tuition + fees barrier (Columbia).... please don't attend sticker

[ManoftheHour]

I learned today that some LS have surpassed the 60k tuition + fees barrier (Columbia).... please don't attend sticker

WHAT. THE. FUCK.

[Robb]

sounds like you guys (the ones who have "almost struck out") are terrible interviewers/lack the requisite social skills necessary to succeed in life/have gotten very unlucky...but probably not this last one.

Law schools should have an optional social skills / networking workshop that meets every week. It should teach people how to have a 5-10 minute or 20-30 minute conversation, how to project confidence, shake hands, etc. These skills need to be taught. I don't understand why we coddle people to death academically (do we really need a TA session for Torts??), but make people teach themselves these vital social skills.

My school had some shit like this, not weekly, but they offered it. They didn't seem to be too well attended.

Not surprised that it wasn't well-attended. Law students are horrible at identifying their own weaknesses.

I actually don't think it's that at all. People who aren't good socially tend to know it.

I think people are embarrassed to attend something like that, because they are afraid to publicly admit that they have less than ideal social skills. This is because of forums like TLS, where people throw out terms like "aspie" in a derogatory way and make fun of people for not knowing social norms that they never had the opportunity to learn. It's because of people gossiping about every tiny slipup a person makes, and no one wants to embarrassingly say - hey, that's me, I'm not perfect, I could use a bit of help in social interaction.

It's just another part of the ridiculous law school culture.

[sesto elemento]

I read somewhere that George Washington struck out at OCI AND LOOK AT HIM NOW LOOK AT HIM NOW

Same thing with Sotomayor, struck out and is now SCOTUS. Anything is possible with a law degree*!


*From Yale

Wasn't she no offered??

You are correct. No offered from Paul Weiss.

[Sheriff]

During my 0L visits I noticed that the higher in rank I went the weirder students were. There are plenty of highly intelligent people in the t14 who can't interview worth a damn.

At the end of the day were all monkeys and want to be around other monkeys that we enjoy.

[tier3]

There are open law careers advertised all over numerous job websites. The only people not getting jobs are those that lower their heads in defeat. It's not that difficult just don't give up. You may not get big law. But I'm sure many can live nicely on $120,000 a year, as long as they didn't max out their COL in law school and lived conservatively.

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[A. Nony Mouse]

There are open law careers advertised all over numerous job websites. The only people not getting jobs are those that lower their heads in defeat. It's not that difficult just don't give up. You may not get big law. But I'm sure many can live nicely on $120,000 a year, as long as they didn't max out their COL in law school and lived conservatively.

Do you know people who are actually applying for and getting those jobs? Do you realize that most of those jobs are not looking for entry-level attorneys right out of law school, and if you don't get a job out of law school, you don't get the experience to make you competitive for lateral positions? Do you realize that lawyer salaries tend to be bimodal, which means that you're looking at $160K or $40-60K, not $120K a year?