Texas vs. Vandy Forum

[BigZuck]

Plus, there's always the possibility of transfer. I don't think it would be that hard to transfer from Texas or Vandy to a T14 school.

LOL

Is that...not a possibility? I knew a lot of people who did that.

It's a possibility. Just not a likely one. But sure make a huge financial gamble on taking law school exams that are graded on a curve with people just as smart and hard working as you.

To be fair Georgetown doesn't seem to have any shame any more and would probably happily take median bros from UT.

Doesn't make that a good idea though, of course

[Crowing]

Plus, there's always the possibility of transfer. I don't think it would be that hard to transfer from Texas or Vandy to a T14 school.

LOL

Is that...not a possibility? I knew a lot of people who did that.

You would need to at least finish at median to have a shot. Most likely you will need to finish above median.

[Mal Reynolds]

To be fair Georgetown doesn't seem to have any shame any more and would probably happily take median bros from UT.

Doesn't make that a good idea though, of course

I don't see how this has anything to do with what I said.

[BigZuck]

To be fair Georgetown doesn't seem to have any shame any more and would probably happily take median bros from UT.

Doesn't make that a good idea though, of course

I don't see how this has anything to do with what I said.

I thought you laughed out loud at the relative ease of transferring from UT to a T14 but I could be mistaken

[shifty_eyed]

To be fair Georgetown doesn't seem to have any shame any more and would probably happily take median bros from UT.

Doesn't make that a good idea though, of course

I don't see how this has anything to do with what I said.

It's a possibility. Just not a likely one. But sure make a huge financial gamble on taking law school exams that are graded on a curve with people just as smart and hard working as you.

Ending 1L around median or above is likely. Georgetown is a T14.

[Mal Reynolds]

I laughed out loud at the retardedness of the entire idea. It might be "easy" to go from UT to Georgetown but it's still idiotic.

So I guess zucks comment was slightly related. Just worthless.

[star fox]

UT and Vandy are fine schools and not too much off Georgetown in terms of Big Law + Fed Clerk placement but they're southern schools, probably not a whole lot of access to the west coast. Retake for Berkeley or take $$$ at USC/UCLA.

[BigZuck]

I laughed out loud at the retardedness of the entire idea. It might be "easy" to go from UT to Georgetown but it's still idiotic.

So I guess zucks comment was slightly related. Just worthless.

It looks like it has become a lot easier to transfer in the past couple of cycles, it probably wouldn't be that hard to go from a UT or a Vandy to just any old T14 so that thought in and of itself isn't wildly off base, IMO. It's certainly not something that would make me think "HAHA you're an idiot!" and then rush off to my keyboard to try and antagonize that poster but that's probably just me.

Anyway you win Mal, I'm sorry for posting and I'm sorry for being worthless. I'll stop posting ITT after this:

OP- Even if you could transfer, it probably wouldn't make a lot of sense. If you have the grades to make a significant transfer up from UT, you're probably fine for big law (at least grade wise). And if you only have the grades to barely sneak into GULC that's probably not worth it either, I doubt you would get much of a boost in employers' eyes, if at all. Mal's main point is a great one- banking on transferring is a really silly gamble to take and it's much better to just go to the right school the first time.

I go to UT, am not a Texan, and have targeted some of the markets you mentioned. I haven't gone through OCI yet so what I can tell you might truly be worthless but I assume you have to make a decision soon so feel free to PM me if you want to hear about my (albeit pretty limited) experiences.

[Mal Reynolds]

Transferring to a t14 at median from UT/Vandy is extremely stupid. You are evaluated basically on your old school and with median grades it's not going to do much for you except saddle you with more debt. But sure, keep taking about stupid law school strategies.

[Zeeguy91]

Well, I should be hearing an update from Georgetown by tomorrow. I'll let you guys know what happens. Also, I'm still wait listed at Cornell, so I still have a chance there.

Plus, there's always the possibility of transfer. I don't think it would be that hard to transfer from Texas or Vandy to a T14 school.

I'll consider retaking as well, though.

What kind of scholarship did USC offer you? You can't just go there this year?

I think that ship has sailed. They were offering me around the same that UT is, but everyone I talked to (my parents, professionals, lawyer friends, etc.) was telling me to wait for the three years before trying to break into the California market because they're still rebounding. Some advisors were telling me that UT might be a bit more mobile due to its rank, in case the California legal market was still in bad shape once I graduated.

And, you know, its not like L.A. and San Francisco are small legal markets. I've known friends who went to California (L.A., specifically) from non T-14 schools all the way across the country.

[Zeeguy91]

I laughed out loud at the retardedness of the entire idea. It might be "easy" to go from UT to Georgetown but it's still idiotic.

So I guess zucks comment was slightly related. Just worthless.

It looks like it has become a lot easier to transfer in the past couple of cycles, it probably wouldn't be that hard to go from a UT or a Vandy to just any old T14 so that thought in and of itself isn't wildly off base, IMO. It's certainly not something that would make me think "HAHA you're an idiot!" and then rush off to my keyboard to try and antagonize that poster but that's probably just me.

Anyway you win Mal, I'm sorry for posting and I'm sorry for being worthless. I'll stop posting ITT after this:

OP- Even if you could transfer, it probably wouldn't make a lot of sense. If you have the grades to make a significant transfer up from UT, you're probably fine for big law (at least grade wise). And if you only have the grades to barely sneak into GULC that's probably not worth it either, I doubt you would get much of a boost in employers' eyes, if at all. Mal's main point is a great one- banking on transferring is a really silly gamble to take and it's much better to just go to the right school the first time.

I go to UT, am not a Texan, and have targeted some of the markets you mentioned. I haven't gone through OCI yet so what I can tell you might truly be worthless but I assume you have to make a decision soon so feel free to PM me if you want to hear about my (albeit pretty limited) experiences.

I just might take you up on that offer. Thanks, man.

I'm going to visit Vandy tomorrow, actually. That is, if I don't hear anything new from Georgetown. I think getting a feel for the campus will help me out, as it was really the impressive facilities at UT when I visited that helped me make a choice between there and the other schools I was accepted at.

[ilikebaseball]

I laughed out loud at the retardedness of the entire idea. It might be "easy" to go from UT to Georgetown but it's still idiotic.

So I guess zucks comment was slightly related. Just worthless.

It looks like it has become a lot easier to transfer in the past couple of cycles, it probably wouldn't be that hard to go from a UT or a Vandy to just any old T14 so that thought in and of itself isn't wildly off base, IMO. It's certainly not something that would make me think "HAHA you're an idiot!" and then rush off to my keyboard to try and antagonize that poster but that's probably just me.

Anyway you win Mal, I'm sorry for posting and I'm sorry for being worthless. I'll stop posting ITT after this:

OP- Even if you could transfer, it probably wouldn't make a lot of sense. If you have the grades to make a significant transfer up from UT, you're probably fine for big law (at least grade wise). And if you only have the grades to barely sneak into GULC that's probably not worth it either, I doubt you would get much of a boost in employers' eyes, if at all. Mal's main point is a great one- banking on transferring is a really silly gamble to take and it's much better to just go to the right school the first time.

I go to UT, am not a Texan, and have targeted some of the markets you mentioned. I haven't gone through OCI yet so what I can tell you might truly be worthless but I assume you have to make a decision soon so feel free to PM me if you want to hear about my (albeit pretty limited) experiences.

I just might take you up on that offer. Thanks, man.

I'm going to visit Vandy tomorrow, actually. That is, if I don't hear anything new from Georgetown. I think getting a feel for the campus will help me out, as it was really the impressive facilities at UT when I visited that helped me make a choice between there and the other schools I was accepted at.

this is the literally 1st compliment ive ever heard about the law school in austin. people tend to think its the ugliest law school in the first tier

[WokeUpInACar]

LOL I don't even know where to start on waiting 3 years to try to break into the California market. That thinking is completely disconnected from how legal hiring works.

You will almost certainly want Vandy after visiting though. The place is gorgeous, and UT's law school looks like dogshit in comparison.

[Zeeguy91]

I laughed out loud at the retardedness of the entire idea. It might be "easy" to go from UT to Georgetown but it's still idiotic.

So I guess zucks comment was slightly related. Just worthless.

It looks like it has become a lot easier to transfer in the past couple of cycles, it probably wouldn't be that hard to go from a UT or a Vandy to just any old T14 so that thought in and of itself isn't wildly off base, IMO. It's certainly not something that would make me think "HAHA you're an idiot!" and then rush off to my keyboard to try and antagonize that poster but that's probably just me.

Anyway you win Mal, I'm sorry for posting and I'm sorry for being worthless. I'll stop posting ITT after this:

OP- Even if you could transfer, it probably wouldn't make a lot of sense. If you have the grades to make a significant transfer up from UT, you're probably fine for big law (at least grade wise). And if you only have the grades to barely sneak into GULC that's probably not worth it either, I doubt you would get much of a boost in employers' eyes, if at all. Mal's main point is a great one- banking on transferring is a really silly gamble to take and it's much better to just go to the right school the first time.

I go to UT, am not a Texan, and have targeted some of the markets you mentioned. I haven't gone through OCI yet so what I can tell you might truly be worthless but I assume you have to make a decision soon so feel free to PM me if you want to hear about my (albeit pretty limited) experiences.

I just might take you up on that offer. Thanks, man.

I'm going to visit Vandy tomorrow, actually. That is, if I don't hear anything new from Georgetown. I think getting a feel for the campus will help me out, as it was really the impressive facilities at UT when I visited that helped me make a choice between there and the other schools I was accepted at.

this is the literally 1st compliment ive ever heard about the law school in austin. people tend to think its the ugliest law school in the first tier

Well, I wasn't really talking about the exterior appearance so much as I was talking about the size/scale of the law library, the mock court rooms, etc.

[McAvoy]

You will almost certainly want Vandy after visiting though. The place is gorgeous, and UT's law school looks like dogshit in comparison.

Yep.

Austin, UT, and a not-so-pretty law school beats Nashville, Vandy, and a gorgeous law school by a mile though.

[Ti Malice]

I laughed out loud at the retardedness of the entire idea. It might be "easy" to go from UT to Georgetown but it's still idiotic.

So I guess zucks comment was slightly related. Just worthless.

It looks like it has become a lot easier to transfer in the past couple of cycles, it probably wouldn't be that hard to go from a UT or a Vandy to just any old T14 so that thought in and of itself isn't wildly off base, IMO. It's certainly not something that would make me think "HAHA you're an idiot!" and then rush off to my keyboard to try and antagonize that poster but that's probably just me.

Anyway you win Mal, I'm sorry for posting and I'm sorry for being worthless. I'll stop posting ITT after this:

OP- Even if you could transfer, it probably wouldn't make a lot of sense. If you have the grades to make a significant transfer up from UT, you're probably fine for big law (at least grade wise). And if you only have the grades to barely sneak into GULC that's probably not worth it either, I doubt you would get much of a boost in employers' eyes, if at all. Mal's main point is a great one- banking on transferring is a really silly gamble to take and it's much better to just go to the right school the first time.

I go to UT, am not a Texan, and have targeted some of the markets you mentioned. I haven't gone through OCI yet so what I can tell you might truly be worthless but I assume you have to make a decision soon so feel free to PM me if you want to hear about my (albeit pretty limited) experiences.

I just might take you up on that offer. Thanks, man.

I'm going to visit Vandy tomorrow, actually. That is, if I don't hear anything new from Georgetown. I think getting a feel for the campus will help me out, as it was really the impressive facilities at UT when I visited that helped me make a choice between there and the other schools I was accepted at.

this is the literally 1st compliment ive ever heard about the law school in austin. people tend to think its the ugliest law school in the first tier

Not that this actually matters, but I don't think that's any sort of consensus. UT is a strange hodgepodge of architecturally disparate buildings, but the older part isn't bad. No one will dispute the hideousness of the law library, but I find others worse-looking overall. Minnesota is easily uglier. Boalt Hall is awful. Columbia, Chicago, Emory, Boston U, UC-Davis, UC-Hastings, and Florida are other "T1" schools (whatever meaning that has aside) uglier than UT that come to mind.

[BVest]

Not that this actually matters, but I don't think that's any sort of consensus. UT is a strange hodgepodge of architecturally disparate buildings, but the older part isn't bad.

Can we discuss the classrooms (esp. TNH 3.xxx)? Or the unrenovated bathrooms (the renovated ones are nice)? Or the painted over subway tile hallways? Or the brutalistic columns? Or the odd narrow wood paneling? Or the elevation changes that occur on a single floor both transitioning between buildings and, more amazingly, within the same building? Or the offices in TNH? Or the fact that the old courtroom appears not to have been touched in 30+ years? (And that is definitely not because the look is a classic one that stands the test of time). Or, not really an aesthetic issue, but the apparent lack of any coherent numbering system for the offices in Jones?

Texas has some pretty parts, but they're separated by long stretches of ugly

[Ti Malice]

You definitely know UT's law school much better than I do. I was just commenting on the appearance of the exterior. Still, UT would not be alone in having a ragged interior -- several of the schools I mentioned are known for having pretty run-down facilities. See, for instance, the photos beginning on page three of this (glorious) thread: http://top-law-schools.com/forums/viewt ... 4&t=165679

And if we're talking Brutalist architecture, UT doesn't hold a candle to USC:

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[arklaw13]

Vandy 2L here.

Neither schools is great for the coasts. I know Vandy doesn't place many people at all in CA firms, but I don't know how much of that is self-selection. The selection of CA firms that come to OCI is laughable, and a lot of the ones that do come are only looking for patent bar-eligible people.

NYC is probably somewhat easier than CA but still not the ideal market for Vandy kids to go after.

Don't base your decision on the school's facilities. Or really the city the school is in. Nashville and Austin are both great cities, but don't pick one school over the other based on where you'll be living for 3 years.

If you want CA, go to school in CA. It sounds like you have no ties to CA, so CA firms will probably not take you seriously at either school. If you got to USC or UCLA, however, they will take you seriously.