If I plan to practice in Texas...A&M or LSU? Forum

[03152016]

op wants to practice corporate law
what part of this are you not getting

smu bl+fc = 24.3%

if i was looking at dentists to get my teeth pulled
and a dentist offered a promotion where i'd get the surgery done for free
but with only a 24.3% success rate
i wouldn't make an appointment

what part of this are you not getting

1. read the last line of my post.
2. read the first and second lines of my post.
3. compare
4. profit

If I was looking at dentists to get my teeth pulled, and there was only a 42.3% success rate, (ut's bl+fc) i also wouldn't make an appointment. Then again, getting your teeth pulled at a dentist is pretty senseless. TLDR: what a stupid analogy.

Yes of course, for corporate law alone, the chances are very, very slim. And even at UT, you could say that a very, very significant portion of that 42.3% would not get "corporate law in the oil and gas field in Texas". That's obviously a narrow goal. But would a 0L, like yourself? know exactly what s/he wanted to do? The point is that, after taking a significant scholly, the exits aren't so bad that OP would end up empty-handed.

wtf are you talking about you imbecile
dentists pull teeth all the time
and i didn't tell op to go to UT, i just said not to go to SMU
god you're thick, you're not even reading
further, your cherry picking statistics is sad and pathetic
esp bc the aim is to trick the op into going to a school that doesn't help him achieve his goals

you're the worst kind of poster
clearly not even taking the time to read the posts carefully
stop spewing idiocy all over the forum and go away

So I usually don't dignify these sorts of posts, but since Brut PMed moments ago...for attention? this bro be mad...

So I'll respond very specifically. The reason why that was a stupid analogy is for two reasons. First, you don't go to a dentist for a % chance to get your teeth pulled. You go to a dentist for a % chance to save a tooth from being pulled. Second, the if going to a better school increases my chance of having a meaningless surgical procedure by 18%... you get the point. Stupid analogy.

The reason why I included TX is because it's on the premise that going to TX is not a unfathomable idea. I assumed you would accept that, and indeed you affirm it. Now, if OP is considering a school like A&M or LSU, perhaps getting a scholly from TX is a stretch. Wouldn't you agree? But if OP's can reach the more feasible goal of getting a very large scholly from a school like SMU, whose employment prospects aren't so bad, I stated above that it was worth considering.

What you wrote, apart from being largely incomprehensible, commits two glaring mistakes. It subscribes to the 0L belief that his/her 0L law school mission will actually be one's end result. And it ignores, once more, my emphasis that SMU only makes real sense if significant scholarship can be gotten (though, of course, we don't know OP's financial situation). I have no idea why you think I've cherry-picked statistics. I've taken your stats exactly as they were presented.

Now, take a deep breath Brut. Don't sh*t yourself. I've responded to each of your points, so respond to mine so I can better assess whether you're worth my attention--you're a 0L aren't you?

are you serious
you think i PMed you for attention
i PMed you so that we could argue there instead of the thread
because this back-and-forth we're having is adding approximately zero value to the forum

i will respond to every point you made in your absurd post -- including your laughable 0L ad hominem, your bizarre theories about dentistry, and your ignorance about the definition of cherry picking
but first you're going to tell me why it's so critical to you that we continue derailing the thread with this argument instead of hashing it out over pm

[Ti Malice]

A&M will slowly rise to the reputable powerhouse of UT in the upcoming years. Give it time, it was recently re-branded.

lol

Edit: whoops, edited wrong post

[ilikebaseball]

Idk why it's even that important of an argument honestly. If you break it down you both have the same conclusion for the OP. Don't go to a&m OR lsu. Retake and shoot higher

[Attax]

Retake, don't go to either. Buddy of mine at A&M is top 10% and couldn't get a paid gig this summer.

[igo2northwestern]

what part of this are you not getting

1. read the last line of my post.
2. read the first and second lines of my post.
3. compare
4. profit

If I was looking at dentists to get my teeth pulled, and there was only a 42.3% success rate, (ut's bl+fc) i also wouldn't make an appointment. Then again, getting your teeth pulled at a dentist is pretty senseless. TLDR: what a stupid analogy.

Yes of course, for corporate law alone, the chances are very, very slim. And even at UT, you could say that a very, very significant portion of that 42.3% would not get "corporate law in the oil and gas field in Texas". That's obviously a narrow goal. But would a 0L, like yourself? know exactly what s/he wanted to do? The point is that, after taking a significant scholly, the exits aren't so bad that OP would end up empty-handed.

wtf are you talking about you imbecile
dentists pull teeth all the time
and i didn't tell op to go to UT, i just said not to go to SMU
god you're thick, you're not even reading
further, your cherry picking statistics is sad and pathetic
esp bc the aim is to trick the op into going to a school that doesn't help him achieve his goals

you're the worst kind of poster
clearly not even taking the time to read the posts carefully
stop spewing idiocy all over the forum and go away

So I usually don't dignify these sorts of posts, but since Brut PMed moments ago...for attention? this bro be mad...

So I'll respond very specifically. The reason why that was a stupid analogy is for two reasons. First, you don't go to a dentist for a % chance to get your teeth pulled. You go to a dentist for a % chance to save a tooth from being pulled. Second, the if going to a better school increases my chance of having a meaningless surgical procedure by 18%... you get the point. Stupid analogy.

The reason why I included TX is because it's on the premise that going to TX is not a unfathomable idea. I assumed you would accept that, and indeed you affirm it. Now, if OP is considering a school like A&M or LSU, perhaps getting a scholly from TX is a stretch. Wouldn't you agree? But if OP's can reach the more feasible goal of getting a very large scholly from a school like SMU, whose employment prospects aren't so bad, I stated above that it was worth considering.

What you wrote, apart from being largely incomprehensible, commits two glaring mistakes. It subscribes to the 0L belief that his/her 0L law school mission will actually be one's end result. And it ignores, once more, my emphasis that SMU only makes real sense if significant scholarship can be gotten (though, of course, we don't know OP's financial situation). I have no idea why you think I've cherry-picked statistics. I've taken your stats exactly as they were presented.

Now, take a deep breath Brut. Don't sh*t yourself. I've responded to each of your points, so respond to mine so I can better assess whether you're worth my attention--you're a 0L aren't you?

are you serious
you think i PMed you for attention
i PMed you so that we could argue there instead of the thread
because this back-and-forth we're having is adding approximately zero value to the forum

i will respond to every point you made in your absurd post -- including your laughable 0L ad hominem, your bizarre theories about dentistry, and your ignorance about the definition of cherry picking
but first you're going to tell me why it's so critical to you that we continue derailing the thread with this argument instead of hashing it out over pm

So you decided to first PM me, verbatim, "hey can you stop shitting up the on-topics thx bye" to argue there instead of this thread? And almost simultaneously, you posted publicly to argue there instead of this thread?

bro story cool

[nygrrrl]

Hi guys....
Just your friendly, neighborhood mod checking in to make sure everything's chill, no one's breaking the lamps or driving the car into the pool, etc.
As has been noted, this is an on topic thread so keep the conversation in line with OP's questions.
(In other words, quit it.)
Thanks.

[03152016]

Hi guys....
Just your friendly, neighborhood mod checking in to make sure everything's chill, no one's breaking the lamps or driving the car into the pool, etc.
As has been noted, this is an on topic thread so keep the conversation in line with OP's questions.
(In other words, quit it.)
Thanks.

well there goes my very long, snarky reply i guess
coming your way via PM northwestern
anyone who wants to see can msg me

[kalvano]

I don't see "Biglaw" anywhere in OP's post. There are plenty of small O&G shops in Houston and Dallas.

LSU isn't a very good school for Texas and OP shouldn't go. Wesleyan is abjectly horrible and shouldn't be attended under any circumstances.

[BigZuck]

I don't see "Biglaw" anywhere in OP's post. There are plenty of small O&G shops in Houston and Dallas.

LSU isn't a very good school for Texas and OP shouldn't go. Wesleyan is abjectly horrible and shouldn't be attended under any circumstances.

"Corporate law in the oil and gas field" I took to mean big law just because I assume he wants to be brokering on behalf of Shell (or whatever). Basically for big companies. Given the schools presented, honestly I'm assuming the OP doesn't really know what he's doing.

But maybe he is talking about stuff on a smaller scale, I dunno.

Doesn't really matter though, I think it's pretty much a consensus that both schools presented are non-starters.

[MistakenGenius]

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[AveryTolar]

I'll throw my hat in the ring. I also want to do corporate/Texas Big Law (V&E, Haynes & Boone) Etc., I'm a junior at A&M, 3.6 GPA, Finance Major, History Minor graduating in December of 2016. My top 3 are 1. Baylor 2. Texas 3. Houston. I'm a native Texan with a lot of ties and my father worked for 25 years in the EDTX Federal Court, so my initial career goal is to obtain a Federal Clerkship before moving onto the corporate side of things. Am I crazy to think that A&M to Baylor/Texas/Houston with good grades would put me in the running for someone like V&E?

[AveryTolar]

Oh and I'd like to believe that A&M Law will improve but at the moment a degree there is barely worth the paper it is printed on and wont be for 10-15 years. I have a hard time seeing it ever being able to compete with Texas. Competing with Texas Tech/St. Mary's? Maybe.

[lisjjen]

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[lisjjen]

I'll throw my hat in the ring. I also want to do corporate/Texas Big Law (V&E, Haynes & Boone) Etc., I'm a junior at A&M, 3.6 GPA, Finance Major, History Minor graduating in December of 2016. My top 3 are 1. Baylor 2. Texas 3. Houston. I'm a native Texan with a lot of ties and my father worked for 25 years in the EDTX Federal Court, so my initial career goal is to obtain a Federal Clerkship before moving onto the corporate side of things. Am I crazy to think that A&M to Baylor/Texas/Houston with good grades would put me in the running for someone like V&E?

Why Baylor before UT? I have friends at Baylor Law and I like them. Good people. But why would you go to Baylor Law before UT. If you're going to law school in Texas, go to UT if you can, SMU if you want to practice in Dallas, and U Houston if you want to practice in Houston. I know people from UH and SMU in Baker Botts and V&E and similarly ranked firms.

[AveryTolar]

I'll throw my hat in the ring. I also want to do corporate/Texas Big Law (V&E, Haynes & Boone) Etc., I'm a junior at A&M, 3.6 GPA, Finance Major, History Minor graduating in December of 2016. My top 3 are 1. Baylor 2. Texas 3. Houston. I'm a native Texan with a lot of ties and my father worked for 25 years in the EDTX Federal Court, so my initial career goal is to obtain a Federal Clerkship before moving onto the corporate side of things. Am I crazy to think that A&M to Baylor/Texas/Houston with good grades would put me in the running for someone like V&E?

Why Baylor before UT? I have friends at Baylor Law and I like them. Good people. But why would you go to Baylor Law before UT. If you're going to law school in Texas, go to UT if you can, SMU if you want to practice in Dallas, and U Houston if you want to practice in Houston. I know people from UH and SMU in Baker Botts and V&E and similarly ranked firms.

I can't quite put a finger on it, after visiting both and knowing grads of both from a young age Baylor has been my first choice. I think being a very Type A person I felt that Baylor puts a lot more emphasis on the actual practice of law than UT does, and that rigid atmosphere appeals to me, but someone who has actually been through the ringer may have a different opinion. And in a dream world I would much rather practice in Houston than Dallas.

[lisjjen]

I can't quite put a finger on it, after visiting both and knowing grads of both from a young age Baylor has been my first choice. I think being a very Type A person I felt that Baylor puts a lot more emphasis on the actual practice of law than UT does, and that rigid atmosphere appeals to me, but someone who has actually been through the ringer may have a different opinion. And in a dream world I would much rather practice in Houston than Dallas.

So a couple of things as far as your comment about the emphasis on the actual practice of law. First, UT has a ton of clinics and practical application classes. But secondly, law school is only three years and you don't learn how to be a lawyer there. I think employment stats are more important there. If you want to practice in Houston, I suggest UT or UH.

[AveryTolar]

I can't quite put a finger on it, after visiting both and knowing grads of both from a young age Baylor has been my first choice. I think being a very Type A person I felt that Baylor puts a lot more emphasis on the actual practice of law than UT does, and that rigid atmosphere appeals to me, but someone who has actually been through the ringer may have a different opinion. And in a dream world I would much rather practice in Houston than Dallas.

So a couple of things as far as your comment about the emphasis on the actual practice of law. First, UT has a ton of clinics and practical application classes. But secondly, law school is only three years and you don't learn how to be a lawyer there. I think employment stats are more important there. If you want to practice in Houston, I suggest UT or UH.

Excuse my ignorance, but UT does offer substantial clinics that compare to practice court?

[CoffeeIsLife]

I can't quite put a finger on it, after visiting both and knowing grads of both from a young age Baylor has been my first choice. I think being a very Type A person I felt that Baylor puts a lot more emphasis on the actual practice of law than UT does, and that rigid atmosphere appeals to me, but someone who has actually been through the ringer may have a different opinion. And in a dream world I would much rather practice in Houston than Dallas.

So a couple of things as far as your comment about the emphasis on the actual practice of law. First, UT has a ton of clinics and practical application classes. But secondly, law school is only three years and you don't learn how to be a lawyer there. I think employment stats are more important there. If you want to practice in Houston, I suggest UT or UH.

Excuse my ignorance, but UT does offer substantial clinics that compare to practice court?

http://www.lstscorereports.com/compare/baylor/texas/
This is all you need to see as to why UT over Baylor. Baylor also requires more hours to graduate and if I remember correctly you will have school required school work that will cut out a summer in which you could get actual legal experience.

[BVest]

I can't quite put a finger on it, after visiting both and knowing grads of both from a young age Baylor has been my first choice. I think being a very Type A person I felt that Baylor puts a lot more emphasis on the actual practice of law than UT does, and that rigid atmosphere appeals to me, but someone who has actually been through the ringer may have a different opinion. And in a dream world I would much rather practice in Houston than Dallas.

So a couple of things as far as your comment about the emphasis on the actual practice of law. First, UT has a ton of clinics and practical application classes. But secondly, law school is only three years and you don't learn how to be a lawyer there. I think employment stats are more important there. If you want to practice in Houston, I suggest UT or UH.

Excuse my ignorance, but UT does offer substantial clinics that compare to practice court?

Unlike Baylor, yes. And they involve real court.

[WokeUpInACar]

LOL just LOL at picking Baylor over UT. That would be unfathomably stupid.

[Mullens]

READ THIS POST IF YOU ARE CONSIDERING BAYLOR.

[BigZuck]

I go to UT and I'm only a lowly rising 2L but this summer I have been in real court about 30 hours a week. Generally not expansive trials but I get to see tons of hearings so it's good litigation experience. I also get to draft orders, say things like "Your Honor, may I approach the bench? etc." Given the boot campy nature of Baylor's PC I'm sure it's not as involved/intense. But my point is that you can get some of those types of experiences. Even if Baylor students are more prepared to litigate on Day 1 (and I'm not exactly convinced of that), I don't think that preparedness is enough to overcome the disadvantage they must suffer under as a result of the significantly worse job placement power of their school.

[Kool-Aid]

LOL just LOL at picking Baylor over UT. That would be unfathomably stupid.

[lisjjen]

Excuse my ignorance, but UT does offer substantial clinics that compare to practice court?

Yes. Not to mention one of the best moot court teams in the country.

[Ti Malice]

I can't quite put a finger on it, after visiting both and knowing grads of both from a young age Baylor has been my first choice. I think being a very Type A person I felt that Baylor puts a lot more emphasis on the actual practice of law than UT does, and that rigid atmosphere appeals to me, but someone who has actually been through the ringer may have a different opinion. And in a dream world I would much rather practice in Houston than Dallas.

So a couple of things as far as your comment about the emphasis on the actual practice of law. First, UT has a ton of clinics and practical application classes. But secondly, law school is only three years and you don't learn how to be a lawyer there. I think employment stats are more important there. If you want to practice in Houston, I suggest UT or UH.

Excuse my ignorance, but UT does offer substantial clinics that compare to practice court?

I'm not exaggerating when I say that literally none of the things you've mentioned about Baylor are important.

Just look at employment outcomes. UT will give you a massive advantage over Baylor anywhere but Waco (which is nowhere). All the other stuff is marketing dreck.