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[rpupkin]

It always weirds me out when people talk about law school like they HAVE to go. It's not a religious obligation or something.

It always weirds me out when people talk about a religious obligation like they HAVE to do it. Law school is weird, but religion is weirder.

[hawk5]

It always weirds me out when people talk about law school like they HAVE to go. It's not a religious obligation or something. It's a professional school. It can be a good or a bad investment. For many/most people at many/most schools, it's a bad one. If your numbers/financial situation don't line up to make it a good investment, just don't do it. It's not hard.

This. I also don't get why people act like law school will magically solve their unemployment situation either. The entry level job market is tough, but it is still easier than the legal job market from most schools. I'm not saying law school isn't the right choice for a lot of people, but there are definitely other options considerably better than working at mcdonalds out there..

[rpupkin]

It always weirds me out when people talk about law school like they HAVE to go. It's not a religious obligation or something. It's a professional school. It can be a good or a bad investment. For many/most people at many/most schools, it's a bad one. If your numbers/financial situation don't line up to make it a good investment, just don't do it. It's not hard.

This. I also don't get why people act like law school will magically solve their unemployment situation either. The entry level job market is tough, but it is still easier than the legal job market from most schools. I'm not saying law school isn't the right choice for some people, but there are definitely other options considerably better than working at mcdonalds out there..

And another thing: If your current combination of personality and experience makes you qualified for no more than fast food service, you're going to have a tough time landing a job at a good firm even with decent grades from a top school.

[TheSpanishMain]

It always weirds me out when people talk about law school like they HAVE to go. It's not a religious obligation or something.

It always weirds me out when people talk about a religious obligation like they HAVE to do it. Law school is weird, but religion is weirder.

K thx glad you worked that in.

[bombaysippin]

This thread is so negative. Put in the work in your LSAT, then when you get to law school put in the work to stay in the top 1/3rd. While your in law school be very open minded, make as many contacts as possible, and just work your ass off. There's a job out there for that type of person. I guarantee it.

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[ilikebaseball]

I went to the men's warehouse and i liked the way i look. Dude was right.

[Chriz]

I just think some people have nothing left to lose going to law school.

[ManoftheHour]

I just think some people have nothing left to lose going to law school.

lol

[The Dark Shepard]

Someone do tell me what I'm going to do with a CJ degree(no I'm not going to be a cop or random security officer).

[hawk5]

It always weirds me out when people talk about law school like they HAVE to go. It's not a religious obligation or something. It's a professional school. It can be a good or a bad investment. For many/most people at many/most schools, it's a bad one. If your numbers/financial situation don't line up to make it a good investment, just don't do it. It's not hard.

This. I also don't get why people act like law school will magically solve their unemployment situation either. The entry level job market is tough, but it is still easier than the legal job market from most schools. I'm not saying law school isn't the right choice for some people, but there are definitely other options considerably better than working at mcdonalds out there..

And another thing: If your current combination of personality and experience makes you qualified for no more than fast food service, you're going to have a tough time landing a job at a good firm even with decent grades from a top school.

Working a normal job for a year before law school should signal to employers that you at least thought it through a little bit and want to be a lawyer, rather than you just went out of desperation. Although, that's really just one of many reasons to work a year or two before law school.

[rahulg91]

I guarantee it.

Oh, you guarantee it??


Phew

Yeah looks like we were all worried for no reason.

[esther0123]

I hear this level of negativity a lot on TLS, and I agree wholeheartedly that it is a very bad idea to go to a poorly ranked school for a lot of debt. But is this the case for top tier as well? is T3 not a good investment anymore?

[rahulg91]

T3

top tier

wat.

[TheSpanishMain]

Someone do tell me what I'm going to do with a CJ degree(no I'm not going to be a cop or random security officer).

What did you originally want to do when you decided to major in CJ?

Also, not saying you definitely shouldn't go to law school. Just saying you shouldn't go to law school if your numbers don't allow you to get good offers.

[esther0123]

T3

top tier

wat.

sorry, im not familar with the lingo. Are the two not the same thing? I am referring to Top 3 schools (YHS)

[bombaysippin]

T3

top tier

wat.

HYS duh

ETA: scooped.

[The Dark Shepard]

Someone do tell me what I'm going to do with a CJ degree(no I'm not going to be a cop or random security officer).

What did you originally want to do when you decided to major in CJ?

Also, not saying you definitely shouldn't go to law school. Just saying you shouldn't go to law school if your numbers don't allow you to get good offers.

DA for most of my life, though I'm now strongly considering PD as well. Basically, criminal law has been my goal for a long time. But TLS has made me so nervous here. Which is good. It is foolish to go in unprepared given the state of the legal market.

My numbers don't get me T14, but I got enough scholarship and parental aid(basically, living at home the final 2 years), to go to UMN for 80k, give or take a few thousand.

[twenty]

I hear this level of negativity a lot on TLS, and I agree wholeheartedly that it is a very bad idea to go to a poorly ranked school for a lot of debt. But is this the case for top tier as well? is T3 not a good investment anymore?

Assuming T3 = HYS, the problem is not so much "it's a bad idea to go to HYS" it's that the people that get into HYS almost always have full ride offers to other T14 schools.

[NYSprague]

I just think some people have nothing left to lose going to law school.

lol

He's depressed.

[rahulg91]

T3

top tier

wat.

sorry, im not familar with the lingo. Are the two not the same thing? I am referring to Top 3 schools (YHS)

Oh my bad lol thought you were referring to TTT. I mean I don't really think there are many people at HYSCCN that regret their decision to go to LS, but I think OP is referring to the 90% of students who are making questionable life decisions by going to TTTs at sticker.

[Tanicius]

Someone do tell me what I'm going to do with a CJ degree(no I'm not going to be a cop or random security officer).

What did you originally want to do when you decided to major in CJ?

Also, not saying you definitely shouldn't go to law school. Just saying you shouldn't go to law school if your numbers don't allow you to get good offers.

DA for most of my life, though I'm now strongly considering PD as well. Basically, criminal law has been my goal for a long time. But TLS has made me so nervous here. Which is good. It is foolish to go in unprepared given the state of the legal market.

My numbers don't get me T14, but I got enough scholarship and parental aid(basically, living at home the final 2 years), to go to UMN for 80k, give or take a few thousand.

That will be tough. The Hennepin and Ramsey offices are ridiculously competitive for everyone on both sides of the PD/DA divide. I know people from every Minnesota school who pursued PD or DA work while in law school and haven't gotten anything related to it years out of school. Best case scenario, you'll most likely be limited to the 2-3 offices you intern/extern at through law school (the Minnesota offices just so rarely tend to even interview people who haven't put in some sweat at their office; it's just so much harder to deny a job offer to someone you personally know). To heighten your chances you will probably want to intern at non-Twin Cities offices, out in the suburbs, though that's far from a guarantee too because those offices are entirely at the mercy of random budgets.

You will have to go into this knowing that you will have worse than 50-50 odds of getting a job interview at any Minnesota PD/DA offices until after you've passed the bar.

[hawk5]

Someone do tell me what I'm going to do with a CJ degree(no I'm not going to be a cop or random security officer).

What did you originally want to do when you decided to major in CJ?

Also, not saying you definitely shouldn't go to law school. Just saying you shouldn't go to law school if your numbers don't allow you to get good offers.

DA for most of my life, though I'm now strongly considering PD as well. Basically, criminal law has been my goal for a long time. But TLS has made me so nervous here. Which is good. It is foolish to go in unprepared given the state of the legal market.

My numbers don't get me T14, but I got enough scholarship and parental aid(basically, living at home the final 2 years), to go to UMN for 80k, give or take a few thousand.

I don't think anyone is saying don't go if you have a decent deal, reasonable goals, and a burning desire to be a lawyer. I just don't understand the "nothing to lose" and the "I have no other options" mindset. Read the article, there's a lot to lose. I know from my own experiences that you can postpone law school and get a good job with liberal arts degrees if you think outside the box. You'd be surprised whats out there if you really put in the effort to look. I can't really give advice on your situation because i'm not a lawyer, but I personally don't see an issue with you going with a informed, reasonable mindset.

[crazycanuck]

Someone do tell me what I'm going to do with a CJ degree(no I'm not going to be a cop or random security officer).

You don't have to use your degree for your job. My friend got a sociology degree and is doing project management at an engineering company 3 years later. Don't try to force a career path by taking out 100K+ of non-dischargeable debt in your 20s.

[yadiermolina]

So lower t14 with a projected 100k or so debt (35k/yr + 30k total from family)--still fucked?

Possibly...

[crazycanuck]

So lower t14 with a projected 100k or so debt (35k/yr + 30k total from family)--still fucked?

Possibly...

Well, the question is, do you really really want to be a lawyer?