Penn v.s. UCLA v.s. Notre Dame Forum

[coreaves23]

Retaking on Monday. I don't know when enough is enough though. I see retake as the answer on here so many times (and obviously I heeded that advice), but when do you just cut your losses and go? I guess I would have to hire a tutor, etc. and go for 173+ to go with my 4.0 (LSDAS 4.09), because I have self-studied up to this point (PowerScore Bibles, LSAT Trainer, and all PT's 29-70) and yet I still have maxed out at a 169 (twice).

You have a 4.0 and a 169 and these are your offers? You should be in at several t14s and be close to a full ride at ND/UCLA. Did you apply late or do you have C&F issues?

If not, you should think about reapplying next year.

No, no, no -- my apologies for any confusion! My LSAT was not a 169 when I took last June, that is what I have been PTing at during my studying this time around. Fluctuating anywhere from 165-169.

You need to sit out. There's no reason to pay sticker at any non-HYS with a 4.0. You might be able to ED NU with your current numbers, and improving on the LSAT by a few points puts you on Harvard's radar and big $$ throughout the T14.

That is why I am retaking on Monday. If I don't make the jump through self-studying, should I get a tutor? Take a class?

Yes. It's worth it for the shot at YS, probably the only schools worth paying sticker for. And if you hit 170+ you are looking at many t14 full ride offers.

I appreciate the advice. I hope that this Monday is a great and I do not have to worry about tutoring or classes, but if I do, suggestions on tutor or which class? Should add that I have done 7sage curriculum as well.

[Pragmatic Gun]

With a 4.09, you will be getting free BJs with the scholarship offers the T14 will offer you, provided you score much higher on the LSAT.

[coreaves23]

With a 4.09, you will be getting free BJs with the scholarship offers the T14 will offer you, provided you score much higher on the LSAT.

How high do you think it needs to be to get good offers from the T14?

[Mullens]

With a 4.09, you will be getting free BJs with the scholarship offers the T14 will offer you, provided you score much higher on the LSAT.

How high do you think it needs to be to get good offers from the T14?

At or above median.

[03152016]

Dr. Zer0 - Can I leverage without the offer in hand? Sounds like she will maybe offer Friday, but don't want mislead ND in case she doesn't. Do I just ask for an extension on the second deposit deadline for ND and more money?

Some schools don't ask for proof. You could say that UPenn called you up and made a tacit offer. If they call bs then I would just tell UPenn you are going, get that admissions offer in writing then take it to ND and UCLA. Ask ND for the extension in the meantime, if they ask why just tell them about the UPenn offer and how you want to go check out the campus before making a commitment.

If you feel bad about deceiving schools don't. Law schools play dirty too (just look at UPenn they want you to commit to their school before they give you an offer just so they can protect their yield). Additionally I don't think you run the risk of getting your offer rescinded, but I might be wrong.

I'd be careful here. You can tell schools exactly what Penn said, but I wouldn't embellish it. Not that this is the same situation, but I recall someone misrepresenting their aid offers to a school and getting in some deep shit for it.