Depaul ($$$) vs Michigan State Forum

[spleenworship]

Please retake and work a year.

[AnonymousAlterEgoC]

Negotiate first. After you deposit, you will have lost any leverage you may have had.

But I would like to echo everyone else on this forum and urge you to retake. Do you think you're getting old at the ripe age of 23? Seriously? Sit out a cycle, retake and shoot for UMich.

The bolded is not true at all.

However, the rest of the post is something you should read carefully.

The average entering law student at many schools is 24. I would say most, but I haven't bothered to look at that many.

[stewart23]

Graduated MSU. Would have liked to return for law school. Their employment numbers are horrible, especially when you are paying $$$ for that slim chance. The LSAT, to some extent, is a learnable test. Take a year, study, and rock the test. You won't regret it.

[TheSpanishMain]

So if that's the case, why do I still get hit with "retake" when I'm attending my local regional that is king in my hometown on a fat scholly? Is it because it's a "tier 4" according to the flawed system used by US News when it places almost as well as a closely located tier 2 and better than an even closer located tier 3 in my state according to LST? Probably. So how does that not make these guys prestige whores? Zuck and Spanish Man are the prime example of this. OP, fuck it, go to MSU if you want but I would attempt to negotiate a scholly first as you have cash from DePaul.

If we're talking about your Nova for 1/2 tuition scholarship, then it just ain't fat enough. You're still looking at quite a bit of debt for middling job prospects. You get told "retake" because it's the right answer. You're acting like a petulant child because you don't like the advice you got, so now you've invented this idea that everyone on TLS wants BigLaw and just wants to jack off over a T14 degree. Whatever makes you feel better.

For the record, I'm going to Georgetown, the red-headed stepchild of the T14 in TLS's eyes, despite getting into UVA and Northwestern because it's better for my wife's career to be in DC. Zuck, if I'm remembering right, picked a strong regional and scholarship over T14. I made the case recently that for most people, Harvard, Yale, or Stanford at sticker is a bad idea. But yeah, I'm a prestige whore.

Go ahead and project motivations onto people if it makes you feel better about yourself, I don't give a shit. But quit telling people who want to be gainfully employed to go to MSU for law school. It is objectively a stupid idea.

[Young Marino]

So if that's the case, why do I still get hit with "retake" when I'm attending my local regional that is king in my hometown on a fat scholly? Is it because it's a "tier 4" according to the flawed system used by US News when it places almost as well as a closely located tier 2 and better than an even closer located tier 3 in my state according to LST? Probably. So how does that not make these guys prestige whores? Zuck and Spanish Man are the prime example of this. OP, fuck it, go to MSU if you want but I would attempt to negotiate a scholly first as you have cash from DePaul.

If we're talking about your Nova for 1/2 tuition scholarship, then it just ain't fat enough. You're still looking at quite a bit of debt for middling job prospects. You get told "retake" because it's the right answer. You're acting like a petulant child because you don't like the advice you got, so now you've invented this idea that everyone on TLS wants BigLaw and just wants to jack off over a T14 degree. Whatever makes you feel better.

For the record, I'm going to Georgetown, the red-headed stepchild of the T14 in TLS's eyes, despite getting into UVA and Northwestern because it's better for my wife's career to be in DC. Zuck, if I'm remembering right, picked a strong regional and scholarship over T14. I made the case recently that for most people, Harvard, Yale, or Stanford at sticker is a bad idea. But yeah, I'm a prestige whore.

Go ahead and project motivations onto people if it makes you feel better about yourself, I don't give a shit. But quit telling people who want to be gainfully employed to go to MSU for law school. It is objectively a stupid idea.

Spanish man, you are a bigot. You criticize this individual for taking an opportunity many wish they had and you discourage human potential. There have been plenty of graduates who ended up with a six figure debt and a lower paying job TO START (keep in mind wages tend to increase pretty nicely the longer you practice)and have done well. I am not suggesting OP go to one of these schools and assume that a job will fall into their lap. Rather, going to one of these schools presents OP with the necessity to network early and get a foot in the door. I have always thought that it's not what your school can do for you but what you can do for yourself. Law school is simply your ticket to the bar and after your first job, nobody really cares where you went to school. OP can also take advantage of the repayment programs available such as PAYE if need be. As for my situation, I know what I'm getting myself into. There are other factors at play that will bring my COA down considerably but you don't need to know details as you are simply a prestige whore.

[The Dark Shepard]

Please retake and work a year.

I hate advice like this because it assumes the person will find a job. And if they don't(which is probably >50% chance), they will think "well I can't do that, so I shouldn't retake either. TTT, here I come!"

[MT Cicero]

Spanish man, you are a bigot. You criticize this individual for taking an opportunity many wish they had and you discourage human potential. There have been plenty of graduates who ended up with a six figure debt and a lower paying job TO START (keep in mind wages tend to increase pretty nicely the longer you practice)and have done well. I am not suggesting OP go to one of these schools and assume that a job will fall into their lap. Rather, going to one of these schools presents OP with the necessity to network early and get a foot in the door. I have always thought that it's not what your school can do for you but what you can do for yourself. Law school is simply your ticket to the bar and after your first job, nobody really cares where you went to school. OP can also take advantage of the repayment programs available such as PAYE if need be. As for my situation, I know what I'm getting myself into. There are other factors at play that will bring my COA down considerably but you don't need to know details as you are simply a prestige whore.

Wow. So, based on the bolded, going to any law school for any price is just a "make it happen" moment? Unbelievable. Is there any situation where you would advise someone to retake the LSAT? Or should someone just hustle their ass off and show the world that he/she can succeed despite the odds?

Terrible, terrible advice.

And you addressed basically nothing that SpanishMain said in the preceding post, in which he pretty much torpedoes any notion that he is a prestige whore. But you did call him a bigot, so ok...

[TheSpanishMain]

Spanish man, you are a bigot.

LOLOLOL.

This is what fucking happens when you let left wing nutjobs run a country "Oh hey guys let's integrate into our culture a bunch of fucking suicidal sand [HI I'M THE WORD FILTER; THIS PERSON IS EITHER POSTING YOUNG JEEZY LYRICS OR IS STILL ANGRY ABOUT THAT WHOLE RECONSTRUCTION THING] that fucking hate us. It's okay doe cuz they're people just like us and we can show them how nice western nations can be. Aww they're protesting violently now and their women wear bed sheets on their faces while being stoned (without pot) isn't this great guys?" Fucking idiotic Frenchman you never trust Islamist assholes.

Just LOL.

I have always thought that it's not what your school can do for you but what you can do for yourself.

So you've just decided to go full retard. Have a good time, buddy. I can see why retaking the LSAT might not be fruitful in your case.

[BigZuck]

Spanish man, you are a bigot.

Dan- I can say with a fair amount of confidence that that word doesn't mean what you think it means.

Also, I think you're at kind of a crossroads with your schtick. I see what you're doing but I think you need to be funnier to really make it worth everyone's while. I say maybe take a step back from TLS, regroup, rework the material, and come back when you're fresh. There's certainly a lot of potential there but right now it's kind of tired and wearing thin. Just IMO.

[Nebby]

Spanish man, you are a bigot.

LOLOLOL.

This is what fucking happens when you let left wing nutjobs run a country "Oh hey guys let's integrate into our culture a bunch of fucking suicidal sand [HI I'M THE WORD FILTER; THIS PERSON IS EITHER POSTING YOUNG JEEZY LYRICS OR IS STILL ANGRY ABOUT THAT WHOLE RECONSTRUCTION THING] that fucking hate us. It's okay doe cuz they're people just like us and we can show them how nice western nations can be. Aww they're protesting violently now and their women wear bed sheets on their faces while being stoned (without pot) isn't this great guys?" Fucking idiotic Frenchman you never trust Islamist assholes.

Just LOL.

LOLOL

[rickgrimes69]

Everything that Young Marino has said in this thread is hilariously and completely wrong and utterly thickheaded. I weep for his future clients.

[northwood]

Spanish man, you are a bigot.

Dan- I can say with a fair amount of confidence that that word doesn't mean what you think it means.

Also, I think you're at kind of a crossroads with your schtick. I see what you're doing but I think you need to be funnier to really make it worth everyone's while. I say maybe take a step back from TLS, regroup, rework the material, and come back when you're fresh. There's certainly a lot of potential there but right now it's kind of tired and wearing thin. Just IMO.

Are you telling him to retake and reapply to TLS??

[spleenworship]

Please retake and work a year.

I hate advice like this because it assumes the person will find a job. And if they don't(which is probably >50% chance), they will think "well I can't do that, so I shouldn't retake either. TTT, here I come!"

Yes, because no one I went to undergrad with got a jo... Oh, wait, yeah, they all did. Even if it's delivering pizzas, it gives you some real perspective that helps with law school.

[bugsy33]

OP pls don't listen to the trolls in this thread. Listen to the people who have actually gone to MSU, love MSU, and would NEVER GO TO MSU LAW. Even at the price of free, it is still 3 years of extremely hard work for a 35% chance of a legal job. MSU Law will probably get better as time goes on, but at the moment it's a TTT.