Pepperdine vs UC irvine Forum

[mermaidprincess92]

I studied for the LSAT from feb 2013-december 2013 took a course and upped my score 18 points from where I started. I took it in october and december with only a one point increase so retaking at this point doesn't seem like a good idea because studying as much as I did I raised my score a lot but it wouldnt get past the 165 zone in practice tests and the real LSAT.

[giantsfan19192]

Pepperdine is probably the less risky choice but Irvine has the potential to be the better school (or worse if things go bad)

[McAvoy]

Pepperdine is less risky insofar as you can be almost certain of your outcome: crap.

I'd rather be starting a tradition of crap, personally.

I studied for the LSAT from feb 2013-december 2013 took a course and upped my score 18 points from where I started. I took it in october and december with only a one point increase so retaking at this point doesn't seem like a good idea because studying as much as I did I raised my score a lot but it wouldnt get past the 165 zone in practice tests and the real LSAT.

This is pretty bad reasoning and a pretty bad excuse, OP. Retake is the only good option here. I'm guessing you took a Kaplan course? Use the TLS study guides. Elle Woods got over a 170; if you can't break the 165 mark, you're probably never going to be in a situation where going to school is a really good idea.

[BigZuck]

I'll never get the logic of "I know I'll do well in law school to get a job, I can achieve anything scholastically that I want" coupled with "Yeah, I hit my limit on the LSAT." Which one is it? Is there a limit to your awesomeness? If there is, how do you know that your awesomeness limit when it comes to law school (when you have never actually attended law school) is above whatever good grade threshold you need to hit to get a job? And if there is no limit to your awesomeness, why not go out and get a better LSAT score? Those two things just don't compute to me, what am I missing?

[Gooner91]

I'll never get the logic of "I know I'll do well in law school to get a job, I can achieve anything scholastically that I want" coupled with "Yeah, I hit my limit on the LSAT." Which one is it? Is there a limit to your awesomeness? If there is, how do you know that your awesomeness limit when it comes to law school (when you have never actually attended law school) is above whatever good grade threshold you need to hit to get a job? And if there is no limit to your awesomeness, why not go out and get a better LSAT score? Those two things just don't compute to me, what am I missing?

Ya you just don't get it. Mommy told me I can achieve anything I want and I am special. Why would I believe evidence instead of my mommy?

[BigZuck]

I'll never get the logic of "I know I'll do well in law school to get a job, I can achieve anything scholastically that I want" coupled with "Yeah, I hit my limit on the LSAT." Which one is it? Is there a limit to your awesomeness? If there is, how do you know that your awesomeness limit when it comes to law school (when you have never actually attended law school) is above whatever good grade threshold you need to hit to get a job? And if there is no limit to your awesomeness, why not go out and get a better LSAT score? Those two things just don't compute to me, what am I missing?

Ya you just don't get it. Mommy told me I can achieve anything I want and I am special. Why would I believe evidence instead of my mommy?

Mommy could very well be right. Who am I to dispute mommy? But if mommy is right and you can achieve anything you want then that means you can improve on the LSAT.

[Charro]

I'll never get the logic of "I know I'll do well in law school to get a job, I can achieve anything scholastically that I want" coupled with "Yeah, I hit my limit on the LSAT." Which one is it? Is there a limit to your awesomeness? If there is, how do you know that your awesomeness limit when it comes to law school (when you have never actually attended law school) is above whatever good grade threshold you need to hit to get a job? And if there is no limit to your awesomeness, why not go out and get a better LSAT score? Those two things just don't compute to me, what am I missing?

Ya you just don't get it. Mommy told me I can achieve anything I want and I am special. Why would I believe evidence instead of my mommy?

Mommy could very well be right. Who am I to dispute mommy? But if mommy is right and you can achieve anything you want then that means you can improve on the LSAT.

I don't know where you guys get your arrogance from. You better have all gotten into Harvard with 180 LSATs. Some people just aren't made for standardized tests and have other strengths instead. I attended a top 3 college. Of all the students I met, my impression of those students with lower ACT scores (I asked around in my friends' circles) where by no means less smart than the rest of the students; in fact, they were actually all ending up graduating in the top 20% of the class (with hard majors such as chemical engineering, biology, or psychology). I don't think it's fair to make fun of people just because they have low confidence in raising their LSAT score. The ability to score well on standardized tests does not say much about a person's ability. A bit more humbleness on your guys' side will get you far in life, trust me. And if you guys scored high on the LSAT, congrats. Keep it to yourselves and stop disrespecting other people.

[cotiger]

I attended a top 3 college. Of all the students I met, my impression of those students with lower ACT scores (I asked around in my friends' circles) where by no means less smart than the rest of the students

Wait what. Why. Weird.

[BigZuck]

I'll never get the logic of "I know I'll do well in law school to get a job, I can achieve anything scholastically that I want" coupled with "Yeah, I hit my limit on the LSAT." Which one is it? Is there a limit to your awesomeness? If there is, how do you know that your awesomeness limit when it comes to law school (when you have never actually attended law school) is above whatever good grade threshold you need to hit to get a job? And if there is no limit to your awesomeness, why not go out and get a better LSAT score? Those two things just don't compute to me, what am I missing?

Ya you just don't get it. Mommy told me I can achieve anything I want and I am special. Why would I believe evidence instead of my mommy?

Mommy could very well be right. Who am I to dispute mommy? But if mommy is right and you can achieve anything you want then that means you can improve on the LSAT.

I don't know where you guys get your arrogance from. You better have all gotten into Harvard with 180 LSATs. Some people just aren't made for standardized tests and have other strengths instead. I attended a top 3 college. Of all the students I met, my impression of those students with lower ACT scores (I asked around in my friends' circles) where by no means less smart than the rest of the students; in fact, they were actually all ending up graduating in the top 20% of the class (with hard majors such as chemical engineering, biology, or psychology). I don't think it's fair to make fun of people just because they have low confidence in raising their LSAT score. The ability to score well on standardized tests does not say much about a person's ability. A bit more humbleness on your guys' side will get you far in life, trust me. And if you guys scored high on the LSAT, congrats. Keep it to yourselves and stop disrespecting other people.

Cool story bro?

But yeah, in my humble opinion, nothing I said was arrogant. Solid straw man though, would read again.

[cotiger]

I don't know where you guys get your arrogance from. You better have all gotten into Harvard with 180 LSATs. Some people just aren't made for standardized tests and have other strengths instead. I attended a top 3 college. Of all the students I met, my impression of those students with lower ACT scores (I asked around in my friends' circles) where by no means less smart than the rest of the students; in fact, they were actually all ending up graduating in the top 20% of the class (with hard majors such as chemical engineering, biology, or psychology). I don't think it's fair to make fun of people just because they have low confidence in raising their LSAT score. The ability to score well on standardized tests does not say much about a person's ability. A bit more humbleness on your guys' side will get you far in life, trust me. And if you guys scored high on the LSAT, congrats. Keep it to yourselves and stop disrespecting other people.

Cool story bro?

But yeah, in my humble opinion, nothing I said was arrogant. Solid straw man though, would read again.

Yo, BZ, a bit more humbleness will get you far in life. Trust him. He went to a "top 3 college."

[Mauve.Dino]

I went to a top 162 school. Just sayin'.

#humblebrag

[McAvoy]

Yo, BZ, a bit more humbleness will get you far in life. Trust him. He went to a "top 3 college."

[mermaidprincess92]

I'll never get the logic of "I know I'll do well in law school to get a job, I can achieve anything scholastically that I want" coupled with "Yeah, I hit my limit on the LSAT." Which one is it? Is there a limit to your awesomeness? If there is, how do you know that your awesomeness limit when it comes to law school (when you have never actually attended law school) is above whatever good grade threshold you need to hit to get a job? And if there is no limit to your awesomeness, why not go out and get a better LSAT score? Those two things just don't compute to me, what am I missing?

Ya you just don't get it. Mommy told me I can achieve anything I want and I am special. Why would I believe evidence instead of my mommy?

Mommy could very well be right. Who am I to dispute mommy? But if mommy is right and you can achieve anything you want then that means you can improve on the LSAT.

I don't know where you guys get your arrogance from. You better have all gotten into Harvard with 180 LSATs. Some people just aren't made for standardized tests and have other strengths instead. I attended a top 3 college. Of all the students I met, my impression of those students with lower ACT scores (I asked around in my friends' circles) where by no means less smart than the rest of the students; in fact, they were actually all ending up graduating in the top 20% of the class (with hard majors such as chemical engineering, biology, or psychology). I don't think it's fair to make fun of people just because they have low confidence in raising their LSAT score. The ability to score well on standardized tests does not say much about a person's ability. A bit more humbleness on your guys' side will get you far in life, trust me. And if you guys scored high on the LSAT, congrats. Keep it to yourselves and stop disrespecting other people.

100% AGREE... Going to a better school obviously has significant advantages but it does not determine success. If that was the case then there wouldn't be so many prominent and successful lawyers out there who didn't go to a T-14. Yes the legal market has changed and it is harder to get a job but so has every other career field and they all will continue to change. Not sure why so many people on TLS feel the need to make childish and arrogant remarks. How a post comparing job prospects from one school to another gets remarks about what "mommy says" is ridiculous

[McAvoy]

100% AGREE... Going to a better school obviously has significant advantages but it does not determine success. If that was the case then there wouldn't be so many prominent and successful lawyers out there who didn't go to a T-14. Yes the legal market has changed and it is harder to get a job but so has every other career field and they all will continue to change. Not sure why so many people on TLS feel the need to make childish and arrogant remarks. How a post comparing job prospects from one school to another gets remarks about what "mommy says" is ridiculous

You commit a logical fallacy in almost every sentence here. Studying hard for the LSAT will not only help you on the LSAT, it will help you to not make poor arguments.

The "mommy says" stuff is coming up because, based off what you've told us (and your tar/username), we're envisioning the advice you've received to be something like: "You can be anything you want to be, MermaidPrincess. Great uncle Jimbo had a really successful career after going to Pepperdine Law in the 50s -- why study your little heart out and try and go to a "top law school" when they have already let you in?"

[Mauve.Dino]

Too late to proclaim "Special Snowflake Awareness Week?"

[McAvoy]

This is pretty bad reasoning and a pretty bad excuse, OP. Good luck! Follow your dreams! is the only good option here. I'm guessing you took a Kaplan course? Use the TLS study guides. Elle Woods got over a 170; if you can't break the 165 mark, you're probably never going to be in a situation where going to school is a really good idea.

Woah, woah. Did a mod change the underlined? I definitely remember writing, "Retake is the only good option here." I'm dying laughing, but I do not condone following your dreams to Malibu

[McAvoy]

April fools, mods? Or are we changing every instance of "Retake" to "Good luck! Follow your dreams!" to try and change the TLS brand? I like it.

[Mauve.Dino]

This is pretty bad reasoning and a pretty bad excuse, OP. Good luck! Follow your dreams! is the only good option here. I'm guessing you took a Kaplan course? Use the TLS study guides. Elle Woods got over a 170; if you can't break the 165 mark, you're probably never going to be in a situation where going to school is a really good idea.

Woah, woah. Did a mod change the underlined? I definitely remember writing, "Good luck! Follow your dreams! is the only good option here." I'm dying laughing, but I do not condone following your dreams to Malibu

HA, HA...yeah, i think it's an April Fool's trick-same thing happened to me when I typed "L. S. A. T."

[McAvoy]

Haha, that's pretty good stuff. Definitely retake, OP.

[mermaidprincess92]

100% AGREE... Going to a better school obviously has significant advantages but it does not determine success. If that was the case then there wouldn't be so many prominent and successful lawyers out there who didn't go to a T-14. Yes the legal market has changed and it is harder to get a job but so has every other career field and they all will continue to change. Not sure why so many people on TLS feel the need to make childish and arrogant remarks. How a post comparing job prospects from one school to another gets remarks about what "mommy says" is ridiculous

You commit a logical fallacy in almost every sentence here. Studying hard for the LSAT will not only help you on the LSAT, it will help you to not make poor arguments.

The "mommy says" stuff is coming up because, based off what you've told us (and your tar/username), we're envisioning the advice you've received to be something like: "You can be anything you want to be, MermaidPrincess. Great uncle Jimbo had a really successful career after going to Pepperdine Law in the 50s -- why study your little heart out and try and go to a "top law school" when they have already let you in?"

Glad you think you can know so much about a person based off of their username and avatar... and you couldn't be more wrong about the advice you "envision" I received. Thanks for your input though

[BigZuck]

100% AGREE... Going to a better school obviously has significant advantages but it does not determine success. If that was the case then there wouldn't be so many prominent and successful lawyers out there who didn't go to a T-14. Yes the legal market has changed and it is harder to get a job but so has every other career field and they all will continue to change. Not sure why so many people on TLS feel the need to make childish and arrogant remarks. How a post comparing job prospects from one school to another gets remarks about what "mommy says" is ridiculous

You commit a logical fallacy in almost every sentence here. Studying hard for the LSAT will not only help you on the LSAT, it will help you to not make poor arguments.

The "mommy says" stuff is coming up because, based off what you've told us (and your tar/username), we're envisioning the advice you've received to be something like: "You can be anything you want to be, MermaidPrincess. Great uncle Jimbo had a really successful career after going to Pepperdine Law in the 50s -- why study your little heart out and try and go to a "top law school" when they have already let you in?"

Glad you think you can know so much about a person based off of their username and avatar... and you couldn't be more wrong about the advice you "envision" I received. Thanks for your input though

So, was it a Kaplan course that you took or not?

[Gooner91]

If you want to work in LA I think the best choice for you is UCLA. If your family is loaded and can pay for your school no problem then don't even worry about a scholarship. But why are you going to one of these other schools if you should be going UCLA?
You said you want the choice that will help you get the better job so why are you not even considering it? Did you get rejected at UCLA?

[mermaidprincess92]

Took a blueprint course.. rejected at UCLA and USC those were both my top choices.

[Gooner91]

Took a blueprint course.. rejected at UCLA and USC those were both my top choices.

When did you apply to UCLA/USC this cycle? It makes the most sense for you to attend UCLA or USC, any other option will not give you the best chance to get a good job in the market you want. So in order to get accepted to them you need to make your application better. The easiest way to do that is to re-take the LSAT. There is a lot of information on this website about good ways to study. I think it is premature for you to give up on your best options at this point. Good luck! I think your LSAT is pretty close to their median, you only need a few more points.
Also if loans are not a concern for you see what kind of ED programs they have.

Are you only 21/22? Taking a year off to get good work experience will only help you next year.

[McAvoy]

Sorry about the rejections, it sucks. But you really need to wait a year, r.etake, and not settle. All but the very best of us need to settle at some point, but settling for Pepperdine can be a decision that completely ruins your life. To use your argument above, taking sticker debt at Harvard can and has ruined lives, sure, but they are the glaring exceptions -- just like people who "make it" from Pepperdine.

There are too many ruined lives chronicled on these boards; we don't want to see you so quick and eager to join them.

If money is not a concern for you and your family, then I'd suggest finding something more productive to do with it.