Emory's falling in the ranks Forum

[anewaphorist]

Emory would rather buy their students donuts to help console them about their miserable career-services office than actually do any of the aforementioned to boost their ratings. They know they'll still place in Atlanta/Nashville/Carolina/NYC.

[FUBAR]

Emory is a TTT.

[MrAnon]

At the end of the day its dismal job prospects and perpetual status in some circles as Georgia's Other Law School trump. My prediction is that it won't stop until it hits #40. It may receive a bounce from there, but I am unsure.

[Aberzombie1892]

Emory fell because the southern legal market was decimated due to the failures of big business. However, Emory - along with Vanderbilt and Duke - will be back to normal in a year or two.

See also Vanderbilt's loss of 20+% of the class in big law over a 1 year period and Duke's 38% in big law (re: BC/BU/UCLA/USC/GTown kind of number).

[MrAnon]

However, Emory - along with Vanderbilt and Duke - will be back to normal in a year or two.

What is this prediction based on? Do you have a crystal ball? Have you just returned from the future? The evidence suggests that the worst years (2008/2009) in terms of hiring are behind us and that 2010/2011 are the new normal and will continue to be so long into the future.

[john1990]

Emory is a TTT.

actually their stats are pretty good compared to the top 30

http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 1&t=150681

28% are making $145,000+ and that is in a city with a cost of living nearly half of NYC/DC

[john1990]

However, Emory - along with Vanderbilt and Duke - will be back to normal in a year or two.

What is this prediction based on? Do you have a crystal ball? Have you just returned from the future? The evidence suggests that the worst years (2008/2009) in terms of hiring are behind us and that 2010/2011 are the new normal and will continue to be so long into the future.

Historically these schools have always been t30. Emory has never in 100 years been ranked 40

[MrAnon]

However, Emory - along with Vanderbilt and Duke - will be back to normal in a year or two.

What is this prediction based on? Do you have a crystal ball? Have you just returned from the future? The evidence suggests that the worst years (2008/2009) in terms of hiring are behind us and that 2010/2011 are the new normal and will continue to be so long into the future.

Historically these schools have always been t30. Emory has never in 100 years been ranked 40

Historically WUSTL was T40, until it was T18. History is full things that could never happen, until they did.

[john1990]

I'm not saying that it is impossible, only that it is unlikely, and how one might predict that the schools will bounce back. On the other hand, your prediction is based on very little.

[FUBAR]

and that is in a city with a cost of living nearly half of NYC/DC

So, Emory places no grads in NYC/DC? What are you talking about?

[john1990]

and that is in a city with a cost of living nearly half of NYC/DC

So, Emory places no grads in NYC/DC? What are you talking about?

that's fubar

There is no way to factor that into the stats as far as i know. That would be all speculation. But, the fact remains that 28% @ 145k+ is very good for a T30 school

[johansantana21]

Emory fell because the southern legal market was decimated due to the failures of big business. However, Emory - along with Vanderbilt and Duke - will be back to normal in a year or two.

See also Vanderbilt's loss of 20+% of the class in big law over a 1 year period and Duke's 38% in big law (re: BC/BU/UCLA/USC/GTown kind of number).

You think the southern market will recover in a year or two?

[FUBAR]

and that is in a city with a cost of living nearly half of NYC/DC

So, Emory places no grads in NYC/DC? What are you talking about?

that's fubar

There is no way to factor that into the stats as far as i know. That would be all speculation. But, the fact remains that 28% @ 145k+ is very good for a T30 school

Then why the heck were you bringing up COL w/respect to jobs Emory grads get. Most Emory grads will be saddled with six figure debt and a low paying/no job.

[MrAnon]

and that is in a city with a cost of living nearly half of NYC/DC

So, Emory places no grads in NYC/DC? What are you talking about?

that's fubar

There is no way to factor that into the stats as far as i know. That would be all speculation. But, the fact remains that 28% @ 145k+ is very good for a T30 school

Then why the heck were you bringing up COL w/respect to jobs Emory grads get. Most Emory grads will be saddled with six figure debt and a low paying/no job.

The Emory 3L survey that was posted by the students themselves says that 52% were jobless at graduation. Out of the entire class of 184 students, 28 students got big law. That is 15%. 8% got midlaw. 32% WISHED for midlaw. http://emorylawstudent.com/3l-class-of- ... nt-figures

[FUBAR]

The Emory 3L survey that was posted by the students themselves says that 52% were jobless at graduation. Out of the entire class of 184 students, 28 students got big law. That is 15%. 8% got midlaw. 32% WISHED for midlaw. http://emorylawstudent.com/3l-class-of- ... nt-figures

So I guess if over half the class is unemployed at graduation that is...

very good for a T30 school

[john1990]

The Emory 3L survey that was posted by the students themselves says that 52% were jobless at graduation. Out of the entire class of 184 students, 28 students got big law. That is 15%. 8% got midlaw. 32% WISHED for midlaw. http://emorylawstudent.com/3l-class-of- ... nt-figures

So I guess if over half the class is unemployed at graduation that is...

very good for a T30 school

That survey was posted in April, one month before graduation If it was posted in April, then odds are most people answered in March.

COL in Atlanta is relevant since 45% of Emory grads stay in Atlanta http://www.law.emory.edu/fileadmin/care ... 5-2011.pdf


Emory gives out more scholarships than almost any other T30 school.

[FUBAR]

45% of Emory grads stay in Atlanta

Most likely because they can't get jerbs anywhere else.

[Aberzombie1892]

Emory fell because the southern legal market was decimated due to the failures of big business. However, Emory - along with Vanderbilt and Duke - will be back to normal in a year or two.

See also Vanderbilt's loss of 20+% of the class in big law over a 1 year period and Duke's 38% in big law (re: BC/BU/UCLA/USC/GTown kind of number).

You think the southern market will recover in a year or two?

No, not if by recover you mean 'recover all the way.' I believe that Duke will be back to 45%+ in big law, as this year was the first time (probably ever) that its numbers were so low. It's not unlike how Cornell had a bad year last year (Cornell is usually top 3 - excluding HYS - for big law).

Vanderbilt normally places about the same as BU/BC/UCLA/USC, and it's unlikely that it will remain low as the offer rates in the south (particularly Atlanta) have significantly improved over the last reported year.

Emory never really placed more than 23% or less in big law - however - half of its class was unemployed at graduation last year (c/o 2010). It will likely improve that number for the same reasons Duke and Vanderbilt will improve their big law numbers - the southern market is getting better.

Please note, however, that even if the southern market improves significantly, many schools in crowded southern markets are still screwed.

[romothesavior]

Emory gives out more scholarships than almost any other T30 school.

wut

[anewaphorist]

This thread is full of such blatant misinformation...sigh.

[Aberzombie1892]

This thread is full of such blatant misinformation...sigh.

Like?

[caputlupinum]

(Cornell is usually top 3 - excluding HYS - for big law).

Cornell was #2 in 2010 beating out HYS in NLJ hires... with 58.33% getting NLJ

[forty-two]

45% of Emory grads stay in Atlanta

Most likely because they can't get jerbs anywhere else.

Not in my experience. I know a ton of people who just love Atlanta and want to stay. It's a great city, the COL is very low, the weather's great, and, at least for my chosen field, there's more hiring going on in in Atlanta than in my hometown. As for people who really want to work elsewhere, I honestly haven't heard of it being a problem as long as they intern and network in that city.

Also, for the survey, I believe that was taken informally last year a few months before graduation. So, there's no saying who replied and who didn't, it wasn't at graduation, and a bunch of jobs don't hire without bar results, so it's not like everyone who graduates without a job will never get one. It all depends on which area/field you're going into (I know it's sometimes hard for people who are only interested in biglaw to believe this because the hiring structure is so different, but a lot of hiring really does happen this way). Additionally, there have been a lot of changes made since last year. We have a new dean and new administrators who are really listening to students and what we want, and so far they've made some very good changes that I think will help a lot of people.

[Aberzombie1892]

(Cornell is usually top 3 - excluding HYS - for big law).

Cornell was #2 in 2010 beating out HYS in NLJ hires... with 58.33% getting NLJ

I know. I ignore HYS for the purposes of NLJ placement because they send so many students to Art. 3 clerkships who otherwise could have gotten NLJ (generally 20%+ per school).

As a side note: unless I'm mistaken, Cornell, UPenn, Chicago, and Columbia are (on average) the top 4 for NLJ placement excluding HYS. Prospective T14 students should keep that in mind if their -only- goal is an NLJ firm. Especially Cornell, which is a beast but is often overlooked by rankings obsessed 0L's.

[FUBAR]

45% of Emory grads stay in Atlanta

Most likely because they can't get jerbs anywhere else.

Not in my experience. I know a ton of people who just love Atlanta and want to stay. It's a great city, the COL is very low, the weather's great, and, at least for my chosen field, there's more hiring going on in in Atlanta than in my hometown. As for people who really want to work elsewhere, I honestly haven't heard of it being a problem as long as they intern and network in that city.

Also, for the survey, I believe that was taken informally last year a few months before graduation. So, there's no saying who replied and who didn't, it wasn't at graduation, and a bunch of jobs don't hire without bar results, so it's not like everyone who graduates without a job will never get one. It all depends on which area/field you're going into (I know it's sometimes hard for people who are only interested in biglaw to believe this because the hiring structure is so different, but a lot of hiring really does happen this way). Additionally, there have been a lot of changes made since last year. We have a new dean and new administrators who are really listening to students and what we want, and so far they've made some very good changes that I think will help a lot of people.

I hope you feel better now.