Some hiring data by states (NALP) Forum

[09042014]

I'm pretty sure I'm going to bid both dla piper and Cadwalader.

[bjsesq]

I'm pretty sure I'm going to bid both DLA piper and Cadwalader.

No to Cad, but a definite yes to DLA. Not even joking this time.

[09042014]

I'm pretty sure I'm going to bid both DLA piper and Cadwalader.

No to Cad, but a definite yes to DLA. Not even joking this time.

I'm not joking either.

[bjsesq]

I'm pretty sure I'm going to bid both DLA piper and Cadwalader.

No to Cad, but a definite yes to DLA. Not even joking this time.

I'm not joking either.

The thing is, I'm not even sure it is a safe bet. Looking at past results, DLA seems to look for a specific range of GPA's, and you can bet there will be a fuckload of bids on them because they are still Vault ranked and not necessarily GPA selective. Who the fuck knows about Cadwalader. It's an outhouse that doesn't seem to know it.

[XxSpyKEx]

Look at the google spreadsheet guys. The numbers are fucked up the numbers for Chicago (not sure if he did this for other cities as well - very briefly glanced at this). I just briefly glanced at it to figure out why his numbers are different than the ones I calculated for 2010 last year, and I noticed OP is double counting and including positions that aren't in Chicago. He pulled the Kirkland collective form (which includes SA in Kirkland Chicago AND other cities) AND he counted Kirkland Chicago separately. I don't know if he did this with other firms, but those numbers are seriously off because adding the the Kirkland collective form adds 68 SA positions in Chicago that were not there in 2010 (because he already counted the 32 from Kirkland's Chicago form). In 2011, using Kirkland's collective form adds 130 SA positions in Chicago that are not there this summer (2011)!! Just pulling out the Kirkland collective form, the numbers drop to 330 in Chicago. Don't know if he double counted other firms by including their collective forms as well (only looked at this briefly), but I would be careful in using this information for anything important (such as OCI bidding).

EDIT- here's what I had for Chicago from 2008-2010:

Law firm name
2008 2009 2010 [2L SA class]

Baker & McKenzie LLP – Chicago
2 8 4

Banner & Witcoff, Ltd.
5 3 3

Barnes & Thornburg LLP
3 0 0

BRINKS HOFER GILSON & LIONE
7 12 1

BRYAN CAVE LLP – CHICAGO
6 3 2

Butler Rubin Saltarelli & Boyd LLP
1 1 1

Chapman and Cutler LLP
10 9 7

DLA Piper LLP (US)
18 7 5

Drinker Biddle & Reath LLP
12 5 4

DYKEMA (Dykema Gossett PLLC) - CHICAGO OFFICE
6 3 2

FITCH EVEN TABIN & FLANNERY
7 1 0

FOLEY & LARDNER LLP- CHICAGO
21 9 4

Goldberg Kohn Ltd.
8 1 1

Greenberg Traurig, LLP
6 7 3

Hinshaw & Culbertson LLP
18 7 8

Holland & Knight LLP – Chicago
6 4 2

JENNER & BLOCK LLP
40 46 16

JONES DAY – CHICAGO
17 21 8

K&L Gates LLP - Chicago, IL
10 13 3

Katten Muchin Rosenman LLP
29 15 5

KIRKLAND & ELLIS LLP – Chicago
54 52 32

LATHAM & WATKINS LLP – CHICAGO
25 20 9

Locke Lord Bissell & Liddell LLP – Chicago
11 2 2

Lovells LLP
7 4 2

Marshall, Gerstein & Borun LLP
4 2 4

MAYER BROWN LLP
71 46 11

McAndrews, Held & Malloy, Ltd.
7 4 4

McDermott Will & Emery LLP
14 14 8

McDonnell Boehnen Hulbert & Berghoff LLP
9 9 9

McGuireWoods LLP – Chicago
8 11 4

Michael Best & Friedrich LLP
2 2 1

Miller Shakman & Beem LLP
2 1 0

Morgan, Lewis & Bockius LLP
5 3 0

Neal, Gerber & Eisenberg LLP
19 10 0

NIXON PEABODY LLP - Chicago, IL
2 1 2

Paul, Hastings, Janofsky & Walker LLP
14 5 5

Perkins Coie LLP
4 3 1

Pircher, Nichols & Meeks
3 3 3

Quarles & Brady LLP
3 3 0

Reed Smith – Chicago
6 6 2

Ropes & Gray LLP
0 6 5

Schiff Hardin LLP
12 21 8

SEYFARTH SHAW LLP – CHICAGO
9 6 0

Shefsky & Froelich Ltd
2 1 1

SIDLEY AUSTIN LLP – CHICAGO
75 43 20

SKADDEN, ARPS, SLATE, MEAGHER & FLOM LLP - CHICAGO
57 33 9

Sonnenschein Nath & Rosenthal LLP
43 14 6

Thompson Coburn LLP
3 1 1

Ungaretti & Harris LLP
6 4 3

Vedder Price, P.C.
10 5 0

WILDMAN, HARROLD, ALLEN & DIXON LLP
14 17 3

Winston & Strawn LLP
67 54 22

2008 SA total= 809

2009 SA total= 581

2010 SA total= 256

2010 SA/ 2009 SA = 256/581= 44% of the SAs that were available in 2009 were available in 2010

2010 SA/2008 SA = 256/809 = 31.6% of the SAs that were available in 2008 were available in 2010

[NYC Law]

Look at the google spreadsheet guys. The numbers are fucked up the numbers for Chicago (not sure if he did this for other cities as well - very briefly glanced at this). I just briefly glanced at it to figure out why his numbers are different than the ones I calculated for 2010 last year, and I noticed OP is double counting and including positions that aren't in Chicago. He pulled the Kirkland collective form (which includes SA in Kirkland Chicago AND other cities) AND he counted Kirkland Chicago separately. I don't know if he did this with other firms, but those numbers are seriously off because adding the the Kirkland collective form adds 68 SA positions in Chicago that were not there in 2010 (because he already counted the 32 from Kirkland's Chicago form). In 2011, using Kirkland's collective form adds 130 SA positions in Chicago that are not there this summer (2011)!! Just pulling out the Kirkland collective form, the numbers drop to 330 in Chicago. Don't know if he double counted other firms by including their collective forms as well (only looked at this briefly), but I would be careful in using this information for anything important (such as OCI bidding).

See the disclaimer, I've added this mostly impacts Illinois data as there's only the multi-form available, along with what the growth rate would be if the multi-forms were removed.

[XxSpyKEx]

Look at the google spreadsheet guys. The numbers are fucked up the numbers for Chicago (not sure if he did this for other cities as well - very briefly glanced at this). I just briefly glanced at it to figure out why his numbers are different than the ones I calculated for 2010 last year, and I noticed OP is double counting and including positions that aren't in Chicago. He pulled the Kirkland collective form (which includes SA in Kirkland Chicago AND other cities) AND he counted Kirkland Chicago separately. I don't know if he did this with other firms, but those numbers are seriously off because adding the the Kirkland collective form adds 68 SA positions in Chicago that were not there in 2010 (because he already counted the 32 from Kirkland's Chicago form). In 2011, using Kirkland's collective form adds 130 SA positions in Chicago that are not there this summer (2011)!! Just pulling out the Kirkland collective form, the numbers drop to 330 in Chicago. Don't know if he double counted other firms by including their collective forms as well (only looked at this briefly), but I would be careful in using this information for anything important (such as OCI bidding).

See the disclaimer, I've added this mostly impacts Illinois data as there's only the multi-form available, along with what the growth rate would be if the multi-forms were removed.

Kirkland has both a multi-form available and a form for Kirkland Chicago alone... You included both in calculating the 460 number.

EDIT- This doesn't really impact the growth rate because you included the collective form in both the 2010 and 2011 calculations. But it does significantly effect the calculation of the total number of SAs in Chicago (i.e. the legal SA hiring market is substantially smaller than the numbers here suggest). Just something people should keep in mind when using the information for things, such as OCI bidding.

[fanmingrui]

Jesus Kirkland + Sidley is like 25% of the market in Chicago.

I'd take an offer from Jesus Kirkland any day.

[XxSpyKEx]

Jesus Kirkland + Sidley is like 25% of the market in Chicago.

I'd take an offer from Jesus Kirkland any day.

Well, so would the other 2000 applicants (or whatever the ridiculously high number is)

[OnceUponAMemo]

Jesus Kirkland + Sidley is like 25% of the market in Chicago.

I'd take an offer from Jesus Kirkland any day.

Well, so would the other 2000 146,000 applicants per day (or whatever the ridiculously high number is)

Jesus is so selective.

http://answers.ask.com/Science/Other/ho ... _every_day

[Cupidity]

Numbers for Weil NY appear to be double counted?

[Cupidity]

It appears for most firms you counted their global form at the location of their main office ie: Bingham McCutchen Total Office SA's = 43; and also their regional form; Bingham Boston SA's = 11. Those 43 aren't in Boston, they represent the Boston SA's and all other offices combined.

The gains you think you are seeing in the data are largely illusory.

[ndirish2010]

The gains are there, they just aren't what the OP would have you believe. Believe it or not, 330 for Chicago is good compared to last summer.

[ahduth]

Oh you want Chicago? Just do K&E's home office, bro, that's easy to get right?

K&E= McDonalds of litigation. Not like DLA Piper. Go big or go home, baby.

McDonald's of litigation? I should start learning about these firms if I do decide to head back to Chicago. I knew I was going to have to bid on Kirkland and Sidley if I had the grades, but is "McDonald's" a good or bad thing...

[FeelTheHeat]

90 SA positions for Florida?

LET'S GOOOOOO WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[GatorStudent]

90 SA positions for Florida?

LET'S GOOOOOO WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Dude, don't get your hopes up too much. Many of those are going to people in the T14, not UF students, although UF'll get some of them.

[FeelTheHeat]

90 SA positions for Florida?

LET'S GOOOOOO WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Dude, don't get your hopes up too much. Many of those are going to people in the T14, not UF students, although UF'll get some of them.

I seem to have forgotten my sarcasm sticker at home

[GatorStudent]

90 SA positions for Florida?

LET'S GOOOOOO WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Dude, don't get your hopes up too much. Many of those are going to people in the T14, not UF students, although UF'll get some of them.

I seem to have forgotten my sarcasm sticker at home

Oops, my bad! Carry on.

[quakeroats]

90 SA positions for Florida?

LET'S GOOOOOO WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Dude, don't get your hopes up too much. Many of those are going to people in the T14, not UF students, although UF'll get some of them.

I seem to have forgotten my sarcasm sticker at home

How are things looking at UF these days?