Chicago-Kent v. Loyola Chicago Forum

[Giddy-Up]

BUT, Kent is also notorious for placing all of their stipulated scholarship students in the same section to fight it out against each other.

Where are you getting this info?

[aknecht]

BE CAREFUL about stpiluated scholarships to Kent!!! They tend to have high expectations and they have a low (2.9 I believe) curve...you are probably thinking: "but Im coming in as a scholarship student and have better numbers so I should be able to keep those numbers"...BUT, Kent is also notorious for placing all of their stipulated scholarship students in the same section to fight it out against each other. By doing so they know that a substantial (predetermined) number of their stipulated scholarships will be lost...I would not go to Kent wihtout a guranteed 3 year scholarship....well I wouldnt go there anyways but...you hopefully get my drift...

this has been discussed ad nauseam in the accepted to Kent thread but I appreciate hearing it again, it's good information. I'm well aware of what the likelihood is that I retain the full dollar amount for three years and it certainly helps that Kent gives you the option to take a smaller amount of money with any stipulations attached. Like I said before, I've done the math and even if I got the scholarship money at Kent for the first year and lost every penny for the next two years (knocks on wood), I would still be coming out over $10k cheaper than if I went to Loyola and kept my scholarship there for all three years.

[ocbrody]

BE CAREFUL about stpiluated scholarships to Kent!!! They tend to have high expectations and they have a low (2.9 I believe) curve...you are probably thinking: "but Im coming in as a scholarship student and have better numbers so I should be able to keep those numbers"...BUT, Kent is also notorious for placing all of their stipulated scholarship students in the same section to fight it out against each other. By doing so they know that a substantial (predetermined) number of their stipulated scholarships will be lost...I would not go to Kent wihtout a guranteed 3 year scholarship....well I wouldnt go there anyways but...you hopefully get my drift...

this has been discussed ad nauseam in the accepted to Kent thread but I appreciate hearing it again, it's good information. I'm well aware of what the likelihood is that I retain the full dollar amount for three years and it certainly helps that Kent gives you the option to take a smaller amount of money with any stipulations attached. Like I said before, I've done the math and even if I got the scholarship money at Kent for the first year and lost every penny for the next two years (knocks on wood), I would still be coming out over $10k cheaper than if I went to Loyola and kept my scholarship there for all three years.

But, but, but, it's not T-14. You won't get big law. You'll have [insert apocalyptic adjective here] loans. Retake.

I swear, don't these people ever get tired of typing the same thing on here. /rant

[Snape]

The last comment doesn't even make sense....seems like an inferiority complex of sorts...good luck with your reasoning, good luck with what im sure is a lack of world or life experiences outside of undergrad, and good luck finding actual (non-hourly part-time) legal work upon graduation! Youll need it!

[ocbrody]

The last comment doesn't even make sense....seems like an inferiority complex of sorts...good luck with your reasoning, good luck with what im sure is a lack of world or life experiences outside of undergrad, and good luck finding actual (non-hourly part-time) legal work upon graduation! Youll need it!

Buddy, you have no idea. Why are you slumming it in the forum with us inferior TT applicants anyway?

[Snape]

Im here out of interest and seeing tooooooo many friends in Chicago who attended the city's regionals school wish and dream that they had never attended law school and at a complete loss of how to even begin paying back their huge debts without even working directly as lawyers--remember waitressing counts as "employed after 9 months"

[ResolutePear]

The last comment doesn't even make sense....seems like an inferiority complex of sorts...good luck with your reasoning, good luck with what im sure is a lack of world or life experiences outside of undergrad, and good luck finding actual (non-hourly part-time) legal work upon graduation! Youll need it!

Buddy, you have no idea. Why are you slumming it in the forum with us inferior TT applicants anyway?

As John Locke argued, you must go forth and show unreasonable people reason, and if you can't, then slavery is certainly an option.

[aknecht]

this isn't a "Kent vs Loyola vs Retake" thread. please stop with the "good luck finding actual (non-hourly part-time) legal work upon graduation! Youll need it!" kinds of comments, they are not helpful. None of us are going into this with blinders on. The information about employment from these schools is out there and we are WELL aware it. You making snide remarks certainly doesn't help things.

[StacyStrong]

Im here out of interest and seeing tooooooo many friends in Chicago who attended the city's regionals school wish and dream that they had never attended law school and at a complete loss of how to even begin paying back their huge debts without even working directly as lawyers--remember waitressing counts as "employed after 9 months"

I know my chances, if I wanted you to tell me them, I'd ask.

[ResolutePear]

Im here out of interest and seeing tooooooo many friends in Chicago who attended the city's regionals school wish and dream that they had never attended law school and at a complete loss of how to even begin paying back their huge debts without even working directly as lawyers--remember waitressing counts as "employed after 9 months"

I know my chances, if I wanted you to tell me them, I'd ask.

youre asking for help but dictating what you want to hear. This is not the purpose of an internet forum.

[BarbellDreams]

Threads like this are fairly interesting. On the one hand the OP is asking for help as to their best option, on the other hand the preface their request for help by saying that they don't want to hear "retake" (which is the best option and thus why people recommend it in these types of scenarios). This leaves other posters with automatically having to discount your best option and give you the second best answer, if that.

Now, with that in mind, assuming retaking is NOT an option by any means, these schools are identical in placement stats and thus you need to visit and get a feel for each. Each school will place around 10% in NLJ250, another 5% or so in midlaw, and another 5% or so into prestigious positions through previous connections a given student may have. The other 80% will be left fighting for small law and public interest jobs against DePaul, NW, Chicago, UIUC, WUSTL, ND, the entire t14, and a handfull of other T30s that feed marginally into Chicago's market. I don't know how debt adverse the OP is nor do I know exactly what tye of help they will get from family with COL or the total CoA. What I do know is if we're talking about 6 figure debt here, the OP (assuming no connections) will have roughly a 15% chance of paying off the debt while still living a semi-decent life. If 15/100 sound like good odds to you the casino is right around the corner, doesn't require 3 years and all that stress, and will pay instantly if you hit.

[Snape]

This forum is actually serving a really good function for the people asking for help...they feel marginalized, disrespected, and against basic logic--most likely feelings they will have throughout law school as they read cases, theories, and decisions well beyond their logical reasoning abilities--then they will undoubtedly try to enter the Chicago legal market where, again, they will feel inferior to the graudates from all of the other schools easily accepting the jobs and opportunities they so greatly seek--then they will have to call direct loans and explain why they cannot afford their payments, expressing that they are looking for work but cannot find the type of work that will allow them to make their payments in full....then maybe they find that casino with 48.5/100 odds and make a better choice of a bet??? Just a theory...and in the end they can say: "I know the odds! I didnt ask for your opinion!"

[EstboundNDwn]

Loyola, DePaul and Chicago-Kent are all on roughly the same level. Most people recommend Loyola as carrying the strongest name of the three. However, like the poster above said, Chicago-Kent is an IP Law powerhouse.

This is the first time I've read on TLS that DePaul is even on-par with Loyola or Kent.

By the way, I'm not from Chicago, and most of TLS is negative about Chicago's market, but really, how typical is this? Is this Craigslsit posting as offensive to some of you as it is to me?

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Prefer top 10%, law review, Spanish speaking, provide your own laptop, 55-77 hours a week, provide LSAT with class rank, AND position is only paying 11/hr??? Is this a joke, or just what the average non-T14 grad can expect from the Chicago job market?